Please don't jump...

BarryDoodles · 08-06-2010 4:36pm #1

There is a group on facebook causing quite a stir on my news feed.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=119460778095373#!/group.php?gid=119460778095373

For those who don't like links; The facebook group started as a result of a postcard. The postcard says:

I have lived in San Francisco since I was young. I am illegal. I am not wanted here. I don't belong anywhere. This summer I plan to jump off the Golden Gate.

Im wondering how the people of Afterhours feel about this group. Initally i thought that Yes, it is sad but...

1) The person seems to want attention, they sent in a postcard. The method also indicates this
2) Why wait? If life is so bad, why prolong it? They want to be saved but can't save themselves? Darwin believed only the strong will survive. Yes, I am implying this person is weak.
3) Surely this person has people who loves them and should she jump she will be hurting those people for life. This is selfish
4) Also they have to have alternatives. If this person is 'illegal' as it states how are they supporting themselves? surely they can utilise this support in other ways and thus I refer you to my second point.

Also i'd like to add that people will happily post 'hopeful' messages on a generic facebook fan page but rarely do they genuinely reach out to those in their own neighbourhoods.

But of course this also brought up whether or not suicide is selfish...

SV · 08-06-2010 4:38pm

please someone start a "please stop pretending you're going to jump and stop being an attention seeking cúnt"

My name is URL · 08-06-2010 4:40pm

Of course, only the weak, selfish and attention whores suffer from depression which is what leads to suicide /s

Fighting Irish · 08-06-2010 4:40pm

couldn't give a flying fook

mikom · 08-06-2010 4:41pm

From the page.... "Jesus loves you. Life WILL get better. You are wanted. God wants you. We all want you here."

Jump for fuck sake while you still have the chance.

Donkey Oaty · 08-06-2010 4:44pm

There is some poetry on that facebook page that is almost criminally bad.

Feeona · 08-06-2010 4:46pm

mikom wrote: »

Jump for fuck sake while you still have the chance.

Yeah seize the day and all that. Life's too short

SugarHigh · 08-06-2010 4:46pm

Darwin believed only the strong will survive.

No he didn't, why do people keep on saying this crap?

Deus Ex Machina · 08-06-2010 4:46pm

Can somebody explain to me how suicide, the destruction of the self, can be considered a selfish act?

Anna Molly · 08-06-2010 4:52pm

Deus Ex Machina wrote: »

Can somebody explain to me how suicide, the destruction of the self, can be considered a selfish act?

I get how it's selfish, but then when a person is suffering horribly and they see it as their only way out...
Yeah, it's awful and I'd never ever do that to my family but the person is obviously not thinking correctly.
All secrets on postsecret are disturbing,
people who post along the lines of i'm cheating on my wife and i love it, they're obviously not looking for attention.
I hate this stigma that people who commit suicide are attention seeking.

JGEP · 08-06-2010 4:54pm

Do a flip...

SugarHigh · 08-06-2010 4:55pm

Anna Molly wrote: »

I get how it's selfish, but then when a person is suffering horribly and they see it as their only way out...
Yeah, it's awful and I'd never ever do that to my family but the person is obviously not thinking correctly.
All secrets on postsecret are disturbing,
people who post along the lines of i'm cheating on my wife and i love it, they're obviously not looking for attention.
I hate this stigma that people who commit suicide are attention seeking.

That's not the stigma. The stigma is people who constantly talk about suicide with no intention of doing it.

Anna Molly · 08-06-2010 4:57pm

SugarHigh wrote: »

That's not the stigma. The stigma is people who constantly talk about suicide with no intention of doing it.

There clearly is, look at the first post.
Saying that this person was looking for attention.
Immediately presuming.

Novella · 08-06-2010 5:00pm

The fact is no one really has any idea whether or not this person has a real intention of killing themselves or not. It's easy to sit back and say, "What an attention seeker.", but many people who commit suicide, do think about it for a long time beforehand and often speak about it.

I dunno. Maybe this person was attention seeking, but an anonymous postcard? Hardly the best way to get yourself some attention, is it?

BarryDoodles · 08-06-2010 5:02pm

Looking at the method chosen, the decision to wait and the sending in of a postcard points to attention.

As opposed to not sending in the postcard, doing it now but othermeans than jumping off an iconic bridge.

Sigarhigh is right though, the stigma is people who constantly talk about suicide with no intention of doing it.

Riamfada · 08-06-2010 5:04pm

Losers

Jumpy · 08-06-2010 5:05pm

They have an ad campaign in the US that I saw recently.

Its a poster that says - You wouldnt say "Its only Cancer, you will get over it" So why say the same about depression?

Deus Ex Machina · 08-06-2010 5:07pm

Anna Molly wrote: »

I get how it's selfish, but then when a person is suffering horribly and they see it as their only way out...
Yeah, it's awful and I'd never ever do that to my family but the person is obviously not thinking correctly.
All secrets on postsecret are disturbing,
people who post along the lines of i'm cheating on my wife and i love it, they're obviously not looking for attention.
I hate this stigma that people who commit suicide are attention seeking.

It obviously has a terrible effect on those left behind, but I don't think it is selfish. When you have killed yourself you have terminated your existence, your consciousness, you no longer exist. You cannot gain any future benefit from it, you are simply off the table. I think the notion that it is selfish is based on the perspective of those left behind, rather than that of the individual concerned, the person whom commited the act, which is illogical, an argument from final consequences.

Dan Chipowski · 08-06-2010 5:08pm

You get these sorts of things all the time.

As a big fan of Eric Steel's excellent documentary 'The Bridge'. I've read a lot of internet material about the film and numerous message boards etc.

Almost daily you get the 'I'm doing it today' posters...who drag it out for months and months waiting for people to attempt to help etc...before eventually claiming they've been 'saved' etc. Those sorts of people are attention seeking fkwits.

People who have taken the jump are obviously at rock bottom, perhaps not in their right mind, who knows. I know mental illness is a reason why a lot of ppl jump but some of the stories you hear about suicide make you realise that some people are extremely fragile when it comes to dealing with any sort of adversity.

mikom · 08-06-2010 5:10pm

BarryDoodles wrote: »

Darwin believed only the strong will survive.

That was Elvis tbh....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XN3zig4Q1A

FruitLover · 08-06-2010 5:16pm

JGEP wrote: »

Do a barrel roll...

Fixed.

Erica<3 · 08-06-2010 6:16pm

How can this person be attention seeking Op when there is no name on the postcard? Or address. They didn't ask for a facebook page to be set up.

Suicide is not an attention seeking act, and it's people who say that that push the people with serious problems into the corner and make them feel like they can't talk about it, for fear of being told that they are attention seeking.

I know this for a fact, as I have/had problems, to the point where I have been so low as to try to take my own life more than once. I even reached and asked for help and was told by someone very close to be to stop wallowing in self pity and get on with it.

There is a SEVERE intolerance for people who suffer with depression or have suicidal tendencies in Ireland. Maybe if there more damn pages like that the suicide rate in Ireland would drop, and lives would be saved. Instead it's a taboo topic.

I refuse to be ashamed of what I've done, instead I'd rather be open about it, so others don't feel so lonely, or like they're just a nuisance and no one will ever take them seriously.

biko · 08-06-2010 6:21pm

Adds link to my own "Facebook groups I won't join" facebook group - you should join.

SugarHigh · 08-06-2010 7:04pm

Novella wrote: »

I dunno. Maybe this person was attention seeking, but an anonymous postcard? Hardly the best way to get yourself some attention, is it?

You can remain anonymous and still be attention seeking, take half my posts on boards for example.

magick · 08-06-2010 7:06pm

Either a massive troll or just seeking attention.

Im just wondering when /b/ gets wind of this.

del88 · 09-06-2010 2:59am

bad idea

starbelgrade · 09-06-2010 3:11am

Was it a postcard of the Golden Gate with this written on the back...

"Wish you were heeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrr.........................." ?

DOC09UNAM · 09-06-2010 3:51am

jump

FearDark · 09-06-2010 4:08am

/ Rushes off to start a facebook group entitled "Please Jump".

DOC09UNAM · 09-06-2010 4:10am

/rushes off to join it

Cypher_sounds · 09-06-2010 4:26am

I've lost some good friends to suicide, they arent attention seeking they were was depressed but i hope to see them one day again, its tough when you wonder why, how could they, but they are good people, some people keep all their emotions bottled up and when that happens over a period of time a person is liable to do anything just like what happened in England last weekend.

CreepingDeath · 09-06-2010 9:23am

JGEP wrote: »

Do a flip...

Futurama rip-off !

CreepingDeath · 09-06-2010 9:25am

Deus Ex Machina wrote: »

Can somebody explain to me how suicide, the destruction of the self, can be considered a selfish act?

If they still owe you money.

piby · 09-06-2010 9:32am

Take a parachute and jump . . .

Banned Account · 09-06-2010 9:32am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmfrPrN1L_s

Wagon · 09-06-2010 9:41am

Novella wrote: »

The fact is no one really has any idea whether or not this person has a real intention of killing themselves or not. It's easy to sit back and say, "What an attention seeker.", but many people who commit suicide, do think about it for a long time beforehand and often speak about it.

I heard kind of the opposite on this.

They normally think about it for a long time but actually, they never speak about it. The ones who do constantly say it are actually attention seekers. They want people to react and put them first and use it as a threat when they feel they are being ignored.

Sadly, a person who really wants to die will never let it on. They feel completely worthless to people so they just think "why would anyone give a crap if i said it?" and they keep quiet. That's why it's such a massive shock to those that know them.

I dunno. Maybe this person was attention seeking, but an anonymous postcard? Hardly the best way to get yourself some attention, is it?

He's just doing it to **** with people's heads.

Heisenberg. · 09-06-2010 10:20am

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thefinalstage · 09-06-2010 11:14am

BarryDoodles wrote: »

Darwin believed only the strong will survive..

He believed that it was not the strongest who survived but who was the most adaptive to change.

mikom · 09-06-2010 11:26am

thelastangryman wrote: »

He believed that it was not the strongest who survived but who was the most adaptive to change.

Optimus Prime gonna be around for a long time so......

Jumpy · 09-06-2010 11:29am

Scien wrote: »

Bit irresponsible equating Cancer to Depression if you ask me.
Depression can be cured 9 times out of 10.
Cancer doesn't have a cure.

Clinical Depression can be treated. Not cured.

Heisenberg. · 09-06-2010 11:43am

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My name is URL · 09-06-2010 11:48am

Scien wrote: »

Clinical Depression doesn't lead to involuntary death.

I'm not trying to knock depression as a disease, I'm simply saying that IMO, comparing it to cancer is negligent.

I'm sure they had no intention of diminishing the seriousness of cancer as opposed to depression. I think they were simply attempting to address the stigma that surrounds mental health as opposed to physical health, and it is something that needs to be addressed.

That_Guy · 09-06-2010 11:50am

Jumpy wrote: »

They have an ad campaign in the US that I saw recently.

Its a poster that says - You wouldnt say "Its only Cancer, you will get over it" So why say the same about depression?

Your username.... Very apt.

orourkeda · 09-06-2010 11:51am

jump jump jump jump jump jump jump jump

That_Guy · 09-06-2010 11:52am

orourkeda wrote: »

jump jump jump jump jump jump jump jump

AND DO A BARRELL ROLL

orourkeda · 09-06-2010 11:53am

That_Guy wrote: »

AND DO A BARRELL ROLL

10 points for artistic impression

Jumpy · 09-06-2010 12:20pm

Scien wrote: »

Clinical Depression doesn't lead to involuntary death.

I'm not trying to knock depression as a disease, I'm simply saying that IMO, comparing it to cancer is negligent.

You're a towel.

bmw535d · 09-06-2010 12:49pm

Jump Jump Jump JUMP AROUND

del88 · 09-06-2010 4:20pm

some nasty nasty people here......would you laugh and mock people who die of cancer ...to the people who are taking pleasure out of laughing at suicide...i hope you never have to deal with a friend or a loved one taking their own life...

As for it being selfish ...i heared suicide once being discribed as like being in a burning building and deciding to jumping out the window.

Please don't jump...

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