Are quotes that important?

A19B1C12

If so how many marks would be taken off you if you didn't have them and in what sections of Paper II?

**Timbuk2**

They're very important for the poetry and Lear, but I wouldn't worry too much about the comparative.

A19B1C12

They're by far my worst part:(

How many quotes would suffice in each answer?

5 or 6?

phasers

Well at the very least you need one quote to back up every point you make, to prove you didn't just pull it out of nowhere!

I was terrible with quotes as well and I was very bad and learned off tiny short quotes. I think I used "Brave" as one of mine

Iwasfrozen

johnb03 wrote: »

They're by far my worst part:(

How many quotes would suffice in each answer?

5 or 6?

Just make them up! If they sound shakespeare esque then the examiner will just accept it. They won't cross check every quote!

A19B1C12

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Just make them up! If they sound shakespeare esque then the examiner will just accept it. They won't cross check every quote!

Haha never thought of that..

My quotes are going to be really general!

Cant wait until English is done..by far the hardest exam!

Iwasfrozen

johnb03 wrote: »

Haha never thought of that..

My quotes are going to be really general!

Cant wait until English is done..by far the hardest exam!

Ehh, no I think you mean Irish is by far the hardest exam. English is easy, the trick is to bullshít throughout the entire exam.

Something I must confess I am very good at.

fufureida

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Ehh, no I think you mean Irish is by far the hardest exam. English is easy, the trick is to bullshít throughout the entire exam.

Something I must confess I am very good at.

... Wow.

eoins23456

in irish they give u marks for nothing and the poems are on the paper.

fufureida

Let's turn this into a post your quotes thread!!!

FridaysWell

fufureida wrote: »

Let's turn this into a post your quotes thread!!!

'Come not between a dragon and his wrath...' :mad:




:p:p

fufureida

' monster ingratitude '

' I did her wrong '

' lears shadow '

' I pray you father, you are weak. Seem so '

' I disclaim all my paternal care '

Iwasfrozen

"I am made of the self same metal as my sister."

"Her words fall far short"

"Nothing shall come of nothing speak again."

"Gods stand up for Bastards."

"Thou should not have been old before thou had become wise."

"The bow is bent make form the shaft."

"And onto her womb convey sterility."

"What need you one."

"She is herself a treasure."
This is fun!

FridaysWell

'... pelican daughters'

'thou whoreson zed!'

'codpiece'

'alas'

'you suck, Oswald'

highlydebased

"Thrust him out the gates and let him smell his way to dover!"

"Ingrateful fox, tis he! Bind fast his corky arms!" "Hard, hard, oh filthy traitor" (lol)

"Unhappy as I am, I cannot heave my heart into my mouth. I love you according to my bond, no more, no less"

"I am alone most felicitate in your highness love"

"I love you more than words wield the matter, beyond eyesight, space or liberty...what can be valued rich or rare"

"Are your tears wet? Yes, faith, pray. weep not. If you have poison for me I will drink it."

"Oh look upon me sir, and hold your hand over me in benediction"

Finical

''If you have poison for me, I will drink it''
''Till noon! Till night my Lord, and all night too''
''How dust my boy? art cold?
I am cold myself''

fufureida

Finical wrote: »

''If you have poison for me, I will drink it''
''Till noon! Till night my Lord, and all night too''
''How dust my boy? art cold?
I am cold myself''

those ones are actually good.

'' I love thee more than words can wield the matter ''

'' I am made of that same metal as my sister ''

'' he loved our sister most ''

'' he slenderly...blah blah blah yeah I forget...

I need to learn quotes, those are all off the top of my head.

FordieMUFC

fufureida wrote: »

Let's turn this into a post your quotes thread!!!

I know A few poetry quotes alright.. but literally around 2 quotes in total in Lear

cordelia: ''love and be silent'' or something like that and Goneril when Lear runs off into the storm ''let him be'' (I think) :eek: haha

Wolfe Tone

There must be a huge amount of people rapidly printing these off rather than copying them out of the play themselves!

Melena

''now, gods, give it up for bastards!''

I am but a child as i remember it so well just for its bold language!! :D:D

fufureida

I was thinking of it but havnt started yet LOL!
Hmm poetry...

Boland:

'' clip, clop, casual ''

'' stamps the innocent coinage on earth (?)''

'' the screamless dead ''

...God I cant think of anything more lol but the quotes in this poem are so easy to remember...

'' A neighbourhood. At Dusk. Things are getting ready to happen. Out of sight. ''

'' On tree is black. One window is yellow as butter.''

'' Rinds slant (?). Moths flutter. Apples sweeten in the dark. ''

(cant remember anything from child of our time...vaguely remember stuff from white hawthorne in the west of ireland.)

'' Typhoid Pariah''

'' eyes the others buttock ''

'' One out of every ten, and another third (?) again ''

grrr I know alot of quotes for that Im sure but none coming to me...!!!

ozzz

ok im just gonna see how many i know at this stage, Correct me if im wrong:

LEAR
" 'tis our fast intent to shake all cares and business from our age"
"which of you shall we say doth love us most"
"I did her wrong"
" O my follies!"
"If you have poison for me I will drink it"
" 'twas this flesh that begot those Pelican daughters!"
"detested kite"
"I never gave you kingdom, called you children"
"unaccomodated man is _____"
" Howl, howl, howl, howl! ....."

ALBANY
" goodness and wisdom to the vile seem vile"
"tigers, not daughters"
" Goneril, thou art not worth the dust the rude wind blows in your face"

GLOUCESTER
" then Edgar was abus'd"
" Like flies to wanton boys are we to the gods, they kill us for their sport"
" I stumbled when i saw"

EDMUND
"Legitimate Edgar I must have your land"
" Why bastard? Wherefore base?"

CORDELIA
" I love your majesty according to my bond, nor more nor less"
"Use well our father"
" I cannot heave my heart into my mouth"

REGAN
" Pluck out his eyes"
" Sick O Sick!"

GONERIL
"hang him instantly!"

FOOL
" thy madest thy mothers and thy sisters"
" the ____ fed the cuckoo so long that it had it head bit off by it young"


thats all i can think of right now

ozzz

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

There must be a huge amount of people rapidly printing these off rather than copying them out of the play themselves!

hahahaha

Finical

Yeats;
''I hear lake water lapping with low sounds by the shore;
While I stand on the roadway, or on the pavements gray,
I hear it in the deep heart's core''

''I will arise and go now, and go to Innisfree;
And a small cabin build there, of clay and wattles made:
Nine bean-rows will I have there a hive for the honey-bee,
And live alone in the bee-loud glade.''

''There midnight's all a glimmer and noon a purple glow''

Getting into the groove with this, good practice.

Melena

''brief amazing moments''
the only nice thing Rich ever said in her poetry to my knowledge about her husband!

KnifeWRENCH

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Just make them up! If they sound shakespeare esque then the examiner will just accept it. They won't cross check every quote!

Eh, no.
Do NOT make up quotes, people. That is a very bad idea.

fufureida

KnifeWRENCH wrote: »

Eh, no.
Do NOT make up quotes, people. That is a very bad idea.

I know someone who did that and got an A2...

Bob the Builder

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Just make them up! If they sound shakespeare esque then the examiner will just accept it. They won't cross check every quote!

If The corrector is an English teacher, or a competent examiner, or a knowledgable Senior examiner, then simply using similar language will not fool them in the slightest. You must remember quotes, even if you do quote them a little bit wrong. Do not take your chances by making quotations up as you go along. If worst comes to worst, pick keywords rather than phrases and quot them.

randylonghorn

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Just make them up! If they sound shakespeare esque then the examiner will just accept it. They won't cross check every quote!

fufureida wrote: »

I know someone who did that and got an A2...

Not every teacher / examiner is a Shakespeare expert, but many are aficionados of the Bard, and know him well ... and would take very unkindly to LC students attempting to write him anew!

This really is *not* advisable!!!

randylonghorn

Oh and one of the most oft-quoted excerpts from Lear ..

Turn all her mother's pains and benefits
To laughter and contempt; that she may feel
How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is
To have a thankless child.

... especially the last two lines.



Actually, the thankless daughters give Willie an opportunity to revel in misogyny ...

Down from the waist they are Centaurs,
Though women all above: But to the girdle do the gods inherit,
Beneath is all the fiends' ...
There's hell, there's darkness, there's the sulphurous pit,
Burning, scalding, stench, consumption; fie!

We can safely assume that Lear would not have made himself popular at an ICA meeting!

Indigo Sunrise

"See better, Lear"

Danger781

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

....English is easy, the trick is to bullshít throughout the entire exam.

Something I must confess I am very good at.

I have to agree :P I usually get a decent grade by going into the exam and jotting down whatever comes to mind :rolleyes:

Shanotheslayer

''More sinned then sinned againts''

Something like that, only quote I know and don;'t know what it means

NotExactly

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

''More sinned then sinned againts''

Something like that, only quote I know and don;'t know what it means

^:D


Lear a man''more sinned against than sinning.''

NotExactly

fufureida wrote: »

'' Rinds slant (?). Moths flutter. Apples sweeten in the dark. ''

Starts rise/Moths flutter/Apples sweeten in the dark

grrrrrrrrrr

Could you still get full marks in a comparative essay if you didnt use any quotes?

Finical

grrrrrrrrrr wrote: »

Could you still get full marks in a comparative essay if you didnt use any quotes?

I'm sure you could, quotes arn't that important in the comparative section but they do show you know your texts well and you could use them to back up your points.

chaoticmess

Ooh ok lets see how many quotes I can remember!

Lear:
Which of you shall we say doth love us most
Nothing can come of nothing speak again
Mend your speech a little, lest it may mar your fortunes
Here I disclaim all my paternal care, propinquity and property of blood
Come not between the dragon and it's wrath
Kent on thy life no more
Better thou hadst have not been born than not to have pleased me better
We have no such daughter
Doth any here know me? This is not Lear. Who is it can tell me who I am?
Into her womb convert sterility
Sharper than a serpents tooth
I did her wrong
They could not would not do it, tis worse than murder to do upon respect such violent outrage
Unnatural hags
A poor old man as full of grief as age
more sinned against than sinning
A man may see how this world goes with no eyes
A very foolish fond old man
Laugh at gilded butterflies
You are men of stones, a plague upon you, murderers traitors all
Why should a dog, a horse a rat have life and thou no breath at all

Gloucester:
If it be nothing I shall not need spectacles
O villain, Villain, abhorred villain. Unnatural detested brutish villain
I would not see thy cruel nails pluck out his poor old eyes
All dark and comfortless
I have no way and therefore want no eyes, I stumbled when I saw
As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods, they kill us for their sport
Henceforth I'll bear affliction till it do cry out itself
No further Sir, a man may rot even here

Fool:
Let me hire him too, here's my coxcomb
All thy other titles thou hast given away
Thy bor'st thine ass on thy back
The hedgesparrow fed the cuckoo so long it had it head bit off by it young
Thou shouldst not have been old before thou hadst been wise
I'll go to bed at noon

Cordelia:
Nothing my lord
I cannot heave my heart into my mouth, I love your majesty according to my bond, no more nor less.
Time shall unfold what plighted cunning hides
We are not the first who with best meaning have incurred the worst

Goneril:
He always loved our sister most
We must do something, and in the heat
I'll not endure it, put on what weary negligence you please
Idle old man
Pluck out his eyes

Regan:
Till noon? till night my lord, and all night too
sick O sick... my sickness grows upon me.

Hmm I still have to learn Edmund.

Now.... Poets....

Yeats
- Wild Swans at Coole
The trees are in their autumn beauty, the woodland paths are dry, under the October twilight the water mirrors a still sky
nine and fifty swans
scatter wheeling in great broken rings upon their clamourous wings
Alls changed since I hearing at twilight the first time on this shore the bell beat of their wings above my head
heart is sore... trod with a lighter tread
When I awake some day to find they have flown away

- Lake Isle of Innisfree
I will arise and go now, and go to innisfree
I shall have some peace there
pavements grey ... lake waters lapping
I feel it in the deep hearts core

- Sailing to Byzantium
No country for old men - the young in one anothers arms, birds in the trees
No country.. all neglect... birds in the trees, the salmon falls, the mackerel crowded sea
Those dying generations, whatever is begotten born and dies
A man is but a paltry thing, a tattered coat upon a stick
Soul claps its hands and sings
gold mosaic of a wall
dying animal - sick with desire
artifice of eternity
(bird) of hammered gold and gold enammeling
soul (sings) of what is past or passing or to come

- September 1913
and add the half pence to the pence and prayer to shivering prayer
Men were born to pray and save
Romantic Ireland is dead and gone it's with O'Leary in the grave
(heroes) of a different kind. Stilled your childish play
They have gone about the world like wind but little time had I to pray
and what god help us could they save

- An Irish airman forsees his death
I know that I shall meet my fate
no likely end could cause them loss or leave them happier than before
war...duty... a lonely impulse of delight drove to this tumult in the clouds
Balanced all brought all to mind
(the past and future is) a waste of breath
death

Okay... I'm bored now lol.....
I'm fine if something simple on King lear comes up... but god help me with the comparative. I don't really know very much about it...