Replace the bull & we've got a fun new sport!

CrazyRabbit

Replace the bull with drug dealers, rapists etc and I think we've got a great new sport....

http://tinyurl.com/24twss9

All those in favour say aye.

Full story:

A 12-year-old boy has become the youngest ever novice bullfighter to perform in Mexico City's main ring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt7cdTvAA-o

Known to his fans as Michelito, Michel Lagravere successfully killed an 893lb bull that dwarfed the young matador.

But his second bull was not such a success and the 12-year-old was knocked to the ground.

After being taken to hospital for X-rays, the boy's father - also a bullfighter - said Michelito had only suffered minor bruising.

Despite the close call, the budding bullfighter said the experience had left "a good taste in my mouth".

Though his first appearance in the Mexico City stadium, Michelito is no stranger to the ring - he had his first bullfight when he was just four years old.

Child matadors are just another controversial aspect of this sport and can be seen in Mexico and other Latin American countries.

In Spain matadors have to be at least 16 years old and can attain popstar-like status.

But there the sport is under fire. It is already banned on the Canary Islands and a ruling to ban the practice in the Catalonia region will be decided next month.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Lets get all PC and ban this sport, like many other sports that we don't indulge in ourselves, it's not a part of our culture so why should we give a shít about it?

starbelgrade

That kid should be in Junior Apprentice - Alan Sugar likes people who are bold enough to grab the bull by the horns.

CrazyRabbit

Kyson Old Shop wrote: »

Lets get all PC and ban this sport, like many other sports that we don't indulge in ourselves, it's not a part of our culture so why should we give a shít about it?

As someone who eats meat, I'm in no position to condemn this bullfighting. I don't like calling it 'sport' though as it is not very sporting.

My name is URL

I don't get the outrage that this sport conjures up. Bulls die, are eaten afterwards, the sport builds communities and helps fund local economies

go watch a cow being killed conventionally for meat.. captive bolting and throat slitting isn't much nicer to watch

bonerm

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Replace the bull with drug dealers, rapists etc and I think we've got a great new sport....

Or we could keep the bull and replace the matador

orourkeda

bonerm wrote: »

Or we could keep the bull and replace the matador

Its way more entertaining when the human gets messed up.

mikom

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

A 12-year-old boy has become the youngest ever novice bullfighter to perform in Mexico City's main ring.

Replace the bull with drug dealers, rapists etc and I think we've got a great new sport....

Replace the bull with a randy priest..... game on.

Boxoffrogs

No problem with the sport when it's adults involved.

But really, a 12 year old?? Way to go Dad of the year!! I can hear the bad parent alarm going off from here, the sh*te!!

Steodonn

diddledum wrote: »

No problem with the sport when it's adults involved.

But really, a 12 year old?? Way to go Dad of the year!! I can hear the bad parent alarm going off from here, the sh*te!!

Dont think anything will stop this kid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RssIeJ4aPZA

SV

Steodonn wrote: »

Dont think anything will stop this kid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RssIeJ4aPZA

god dammit, was really hoping for the bull to do better there.
ah well, maybe next time.

m@cc@

My name is URL wrote: »

go watch a cow being killed conventionally for meat.. captive bolting and throat slitting isn't much nicer to watch

The cow is killed for meat, not for the entertainment of people.

I wouldn't always agree with a clergyman but this is pretty much spot on.

Cardinal John Henry Newman wrote:

Cruelty to animals is as if man did not love God...there is something so dreadful, so satanic, in tormenting those who have never harmed us, and who cannot defend themselves, who are utterly in our power.

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Kyson Old Shop wrote: »

Lets get all PC and ban this sport, like many other sports that we don't indulge in ourselves, it's not a part of our culture so why should we give a shít about it?

Yeah, it's not like innocent participants are tortured and then killed in it, eh? Damn right it's a sport too, what could be more sporting than giving one competitor an unfair advantage by allowing him the use of weapons, thereby guaranteeing him a victory? Sounds like "sport" to me and certainly not inhumane or exploitive.

m@cc@

Amanda Chubby Walkie-talkie wrote: »

Yeah, it's not like innocent participants are tortured and then killed in it, eh? Damn right it's a sport too, what could be more sporting than giving one competitor an unfair advantage by allowing him the use of weapons, thereby guaranteeing him a victory? Sounds like "sport" to me and certainly not inhumane or exploitive.

Holy crap, this is off the chart.

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3637/frink.jpg

:P

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Amanda Chubby Walkie-talkie wrote: »

Yeah, it's not like innocent participants are tortured and then killed in it, eh? Damn right it's a sport too, what could be more sporting than giving one competitor an unfair advantage by allowing him the use of weapons, thereby guaranteeing him a victory? Sounds like "sport" to me and certainly not inhumane or exploitive.

Nobody questioned it's ethics... :rolleyes:

law86

Black bulls selected to hide the extent of the injuries inflicted prior to the commencement of the "fight". Red cloths, ditto (bulls, like most male quadrupeds are colour-blind). The bull is substantially goaded and injured before it's release into the pen so that it knows that it is in mortal danger, and is literally fighting for its life. It's very sporting, indeed. And fair. And virulent. And life-affirming.

OR

It's a tradition full of ruses and devices to make the audience believe that it's a fair match, when it is anything but. It is torture of an innocent animal. Racism and witch-hunts were traditions too, also best stamped out for the advancement of civilisation.

sheesh

All this sounds very deep and meaningful and ethical but I still dont know about messing with a traditional activity that has taken place in these countrys for centuries.
I just think that it is up to the spanish themselves to decide when to stop bullfighting.

Yes I know that we regard it as cruel but to them it is a tradition it doesn't make them bad people.

law86

No, you're right. I don't think we should have a say in when and if it is banned, or that the Spaniards are bad people.

Just posting my opinion about it, really as a response to Iamxavier's assertion that the PC (ie anyone who disagrees) will call for it to be banned.

I don't believe it qualifies as a sport though. A sport has willing particants and contenders.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

law86 wrote: »

No, you're right. I don't think we should have a say in when and if it is banned, or that the Spaniards are bad people.

Just posting my opinion about it, really as a response to Iamxavier's assertion that the PC (ie anyone who disagrees) will call for it to be banned.

I don't believe it qualifies as a sport though. A sport has willing particants and contenders.

Not anybody that disagrees but the joe duffy types that go on a fcuking rampage banning shít they deem "wrong", which is absolutely bollocks. I do not have a massive problem with bullfighting, I don't think it's fair but I won't call for it to be banned because it doesn't effect me, it's none of my fcuking business. Imagine Spain trying to ban fox hunting, or something because it's against their morals and values.

Weakened or not, that bull will tear you to pieces if you are unlucky.

Greyfox

sheesh wrote: »

I still dont know about messing with a traditional activity that has taken place in these countrys for centuries.
I just think that it is up to the spanish themselves to decide when to stop bullfighting.

Yes I know that we regard it as cruel but to them it is a tradition it doesn't make them bad people.

I think this is a load of sh**e, cruelty to animals is cruelty to animals no matter where this cruelty happens. If Dog fighting was legel is Spain does this mean that we should just mind our own business and be ok with thousands of dogs been ripped apart just because it doesn't happen in our country?

Greyfox

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

As someone who eats meat, I'm in no position to condemn this bullfighting. I don't like calling it 'sport' though as it is not very sporting.

I eat meat and I am in a position to condemn bullfighting, this "sport" is blatant cruelty to animals and has no place in civilised society, killing for food is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!

Killing animals for food is perfectly ok just as long as strict slaughtering guidelines are actually followed!!

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Greyfox wrote: »

I eat meat and I am in a position to condemn bullfighting, this "sport" is blatant cruelty to animals and has no place in civilised society, killing for food is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!

Killing animals for food is perfectly ok just as long as strict slaughtering guidelines are actually followed!!

Even when it's cruel and inhumane, right? Once it benifits you in some way then what does it matter?

sheesh

Greyfox wrote: »

I think this is a load of sh**e, cruelty to animals is cruelty to animals no matter where this cruelty happens. If Dog fighting was legel is Spain does this mean that we should just mind our own business and be ok with thousands of dogs been ripped apart just because it doesn't happen in our country?

in short yes. Just because you believe something is wrong it does not mean everyone has to agree with you. you are entitled to your opinion and entitled to express it.

Unfortunately so are they.

btw. how did dog fighting come into all this?

Greyfox

Kyson Old Shop wrote: »

Even when it's cruel and inhumane, right? Once it benifits you in some way then what does it matter?

When an animal has a quick death then it's perfectly ok, anything else is wrong

law86

Kyson Old Shop wrote: »

I don't think it's fair but I won't call for it to be banned because it doesn't effect me, it's none of my fcuking business. Imagine Spain trying to ban fox hunting, or something because it's against their morals and values.

Weakened or not, that bull will tear you to pieces if you are unlucky.

Luck has nothing to do with it, if you're blood thirsty enough to be in the ring, and a dying animal manages to get one strike in, tough. You chose to be there attacking the animal.

I'm reluctant to see the EU or any outsiders have a say in national pastimes etc., but come on - it's barbaric.

WindSock

law86 wrote: »

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Kyson Old Shop wrote: »

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:pac:

Pinky and the Brain
Pinky and the Brain....


I love watching the matadors move, they are so graceful. I love it even more when they get gored by the bull.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Greyfox wrote: »

When an animal has a quick death then it's perfectly ok, anything else is wrong

Agreed, but unfortunately this is not always the case, but it doesn't really bother me either way...

law86 wrote: »

Luck has nothing to do with it, if you're blood thirsty enough to be in the ring, and a dying animal manages to get one strike in, tough. You chose to be there attacking the animal.

I'm reluctant to see the EU or any outsiders have a say in national pastimes etc., but come on - it's barbaric.

Back in your box Pinky...

geeky

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Replace the bull with drug dealers, rapists etc Christians and I think we've got a great new sport.... what the Romans did once upon a time, before they copped on and realised slaughtering people for kicks is pretty inhuman.

http://tinyurl.com/24twss9

All those in favour say aye.

FYP. Nay

law86

A decent rebuttal to the assertion that it is cruel and barbaric would suffice.

I'm not bothered, so why should I act, is a bit feeble.

geeky

sheesh wrote: »

btw. how did dog fighting come into all this?

Presumably because it's illegal in most civilised countries, but is still part of urban culture in cities like the U.S.

thefinalstage

I for one would be very happy if this sport were banned.

The idea of a raging bull being bested by a human who is much smaller has a David and Goliath appeal to the masses who don't understand it.

The bull is gonna die either way. They are hurt before they go in and then stabbed repeatedly in the ring. They are then allowed to bleed out and are killed once they can't stand any more. In other words when they are defenseless.

To me this has been enshrined as a cultural thing where as it is really just animal cruelty under a different guise. Much like fox hunting.

Greyfox

sheesh wrote: »

in short yes. Just because you believe something is wrong it does not mean everyone has to agree with you. you are entitled to your opinion and entitled to express it.

Unfortunately so are they.

btw. how did dog fighting come into all this?

I agree that everyone's entitled to their own opinion

I used dog fighting as an example as in my opinion Bull fighting is just as cruel, and if dog fighting was allowed in Spain we wouldn't be so quick to agree with the defence of "it's part of their culture and tradition". In my opinion someone saying been cruel to animals is part of our culture and history does not make cruelty to animals ok.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

law86 wrote: »

A decent rebuttal to the assertion that it is cruel and barbaric would suffice.

I gave you a rebuttal...

I'm not bothered, so why should I act, is a bit feeble.

Why would anybody act on something they are not bothered about???

law86

Fair enough, you're not bothered that it's glorified cruelty, I am.

I reckon the time is not far off when it will be banned in Spain, by the Spanish. Apparently, Catalonia (this might have been posted previously, I'm not sure) is making moves towards it already, and some of the islands off Spain have already banned it.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

law86 wrote: »

Fair enough, you're not bothered that it's glorified cruelty, I am.

I reckon the time is not far off when it will be banned in Spain, by the Spanish. Apparently, Catalonia (this might have been posted previously, I'm not sure) is making moves towards it already, and some of the islands off Spain have already banned it.

No, I dislike the cruelty involved in it, but I am not going to be up in arms to try ban another countries traditional because of our overhyped PC morals... pfft. So don't start building straw man arguments, cheers.

As these countries become more... well, like ourselves the pressure is on to ban their ancient traditions because we don't like them. I'm sure there's plenty of things we do that they don't like but hey, who gives a damn about their opinions.

law86

Kyson Old Shop wrote: »

No, I dislike the cruelty involved in it, but I am not going to be up in arms to try ban another countries traditional because of our overhyped PC morals... pfft. So don't start building straw man arguments, cheers.

As these countries become more... well, like ourselves the pressure is on to ban their ancient traditions because we don't like them. I'm sure there's plenty of things we do that they don't like but hey, who gives a damn about their opinions.

So explain your stance then. You are variously not bothered, not particularly offended, dislike the cruelty of it...

It's very easy to call everyone PC (or Commy, or leftie or whatever the label of the day is to suit the argument) who disagrees with you. I see very little room for ambiguity in describing bull-fighting as barbarbic and cruel. This is not a question of disagreeing with a cultural practice which does no harm.

Like I already said, international or EU imposition of their values on any country is not desirable, but the continuation of this tradition is ridiculous.

Anyway, it looks like change may be coming from Spaniards, a lot of the younger generation are very much opposed to bullfighting.