Police brutality in the UK

phantom_lord

Police brutality? Movement towards a police state? Why else would they attack a seemingly happy bunch of revellers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2JRNLAaUU0

amacachi

At around 1.00 we're no idea what happened there. We also have no idea what happened in everything other than the 60 seconds of selected footage.
At 1.40 some tool tries to get them twice with the watergun and there's no reaction, which suggests something more than that was annoying the police. a few seconds later some angry bald cop appears to overstep the mark. At 2.04 the "reveller" resists the police and starts throwing thumps, the cops' reaction to that is the opposite of brutality.

To answer the OP there's **** knows how many reasons they would "attack" the "revellers".

caseyann

I heard about this in california or Florida also,one evening police jumped from their vans,and started pepper spraying old people and people walking as couples on the street. There was a video,but i cant find it.

Torakx

It looked alot like the police presence caused a rucus which escalated when the ticket officers without dogs started charging innocent bystanders as well as dangerous terrorists with waterguns.I think they couyld have focused more on the terrorists with the waterguns there as appose to some yobs who got excited over a heavy police presence ^^

Im sure the ticket officers were there for a reason and i dont know the whole story so i also can imagine they were there to arrest and ticket civilians for good legal reasons.

Even though its legal as far as i know still to use a video camera or still camera in public( most certainly lawful! ) the UK police would prefer if only they can film you like with CCTV in housing estates and streets etc.
This man is a perfect example of keeping your head cool when they are trying to ticket you or make a contract with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfQrDK9YHas

Photographer gets arrested for acting suspicious(taking pictures).Because he knows the difference between legal and lawful he only spent 8 hours unlawfully and probably illegally held prisoner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiL_AdnFhb4

He might have had better luck if he had just refused to aknowledge their authority and just keep moving even as they talk at him.Once you stop and start talking with them it could be construed that you have entered into an informal legal contract and they will carry out legal work to get that ticket or at least make you suffer for being so brassen as to act in a free manor like that with a camera.After all ticket officers must be trained well to prevent terrorists with water guns and cameras from blowing up the civilians they were trying to protect.
It appears civilians with cameras in their own gardens could be a danger to everyone now.But to be fair in the first video its quite possible there was a watergun behind the door or in the vicinity.

While i have heard from a friend who has directly been assaulted(by irish ticket officers) in dublin at night and left lying on the ground with a bashed in knee(from a torch) without any further indication of why,i believe police brutality is in every country and is probably going to be on the up as police will be aware of the growing threat of watergun use this time of year especially

Nice entrance into the Ct Forum Phatom_Lord, hope you stick around for alot more too!

If anyone is curious why i call them sometimes ticket officers and talk about lawfull and legal rights its because of this ideology and also a bit of reasearch into maritime laws and common laws and then the fictional legal laws.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4024663011008894776#

Police or ticket officers can only apply legal laws if you contract with them because its according to maritime law a bussiness they are doing.

For a small example of one way to be contracted in the last video you will notice they ask him if he understands.If he had indicated he did understand then according to maritime law afaik he would be below them and have a verbal contract with them.
Once police can ascertain they have bussiness with you they can legally arrest and detain you or apply whatever legal laws they wish to you.
They cannot lawfully arrest someone for these reasons and that is why we have a legal system and a legal fictional identity(see your passport etc with name in caps) so these "laws" can be applied to our fictional selves who we are invited to represent.Notice with a court summons you are legally invited but do not have to appear or contract.But thats a whole other mess you may not want to get involved in.

Police brutality is obviously a bad thing.I think what is worse is the idea that they will soon have all our freedoms.Countries have constitutions to protect themselves from these things.Basic rights agreed on the founding of states and countries.Ireland has lost its constitution for the lisbon one so we are pretty much in alot of trouble in the future in regards to civil rights/beliefs being taken for granted.
Basically you can fight the system and win but suffer some hardships as a free man/woman or you can be a good slave and pay the man.

Hope you watch that John Harris lecture in your spare time Phantom_Lord it is a real eye opener on what is actually the case with our basic rights and the legal system.It may come in handy some day if you ever get stopped by garda and they are attempting to contract you in many ways.
Id reccommend anyone to look into maritime laws as this is what the legal system uses to pin tickets on your persona.

Winty

phantom_lord wrote: »

a seemingly happy bunch of revellers

What do you call a Bunch? more like thousands of piss heads smoking weed and looking to get a rise from the cops. The OP is not a fair statment of fact. We do not see the complete story so we should not start on the cops.

More Facts Please

Mahatma coat

oh now lads you know the old line

"they must have done SOMETHING, the Police wouldn't just attack people"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HECMVdl-9SQ

amacachi

Mahatma coat wrote: »

oh now lads you know the old line

"they must have done SOMETHING, the Police wouldn't just attack people"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HECMVdl-9SQ

Oh look, taking a video from an incident years before the one in question, excellent evidence for this specific case right ****ing there.:rolleyes:

enno99

amacachi wrote: »

At around 1.00 we're no idea what happened there. We also have no idea what happened in everything other than the 60 seconds of selected footage.
At 1.40 some tool tries to get them twice with the watergun and there's no reaction, which suggests something more than that was annoying the police. a few seconds later some angry bald cop appears to overstep the mark. At 2.04 the "reveller" resists the police and starts throwing thumps, the cops' reaction to that is the opposite of brutality.

To answer the OP there's **** knows how many reasons they would "attack" the "revellers".

have another look @1.45 before the guy resists? cop seems to be the agressor here

Doge

Torakx wrote: »

Photographer gets arrested for acting suspicious(taking pictures).Because he knows the difference between legal and lawful he only spent 8 hours unlawfully and probably illegally held prisoner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiL_AdnFhb4

That video really pisses me off.

How the hell can you use a camera in an anti-social behavior at a parade?

Its not like he was hitting people over the head with the camera ffs.

Nothing "conspiracy theory" about that video either,
its fact of unwarranted and unnecessary arrest.

amacachi

enno99 wrote: »

have another look @1.45 before the guy resists? cop seems to be the agressor here

The cop puts his hands on him and he reacts. The video quality is ****. Though it's pretty hard to apprehend anyone with being the "aggressor".

Torakx

I seem to have missed what exactly the guy did to be apprehended in the first place.
If you mean dancing nearby where police are trying to scare people then i can understand why the police tried to assult him by laying their hands on him.He was not acting fearful and submissive to their infered authority.
He appeared to be dancing in their vicinity aat 1:64 and that was the fisrt moment police decided to assult one of the citizens they are sworn to protect.That is unlawfull as police are supposed to be their at the will of the people not against the will of the people.
Phantom_Lord makes a good point i otherwise migth have missed about this video.I had fobbed it off a little as unworthy of using for backing up the statement but as ilooked closer thanks to the last few posts i see it is actually the case without doubt.
The police harrassed and assaulted.
Now for any sergeant or whatever rank ordered this to happen.I have to wonder how much knowledge did they have about the result of these actions.
They must have known as soon as you send police with dogs to harrass a crowd you will get a counter reaction.Maybe they needed a boost in tickets that month?
Was there some danger involved in thatsituation for other citizens?
If anyone here is skeptical about that video they might search answers for that question or another video of earlier in that event before the police were "needed".
Maybe they had good reason i dont know.I do know they unlawfully assaulted a young man in the white trousers for being in the qwrong place at the wrong time.
Is that really acceptable in an age were we are supposed to be free people?
Does anyone think to question their freedom anymore?


ps. A police officer is not allowed lay their hands on you unless they have a lawful reason or you give them legal contract to do so(works vice versa too).Ask in some legal forum if that is doubted.My point is the police broke the law first not the guy being assaulted.My first instinct is to help the guy but givien everyone knowledge inside their hearts that we are really not free,i think he might have known deep down he was asking for a beating.It was illegal and unlawful but he must have known it would happen when you push your supposed masters dogs around like that.

amacachi

I don't know and you don't know what was happening before the video cut to there. So you think that if a cop lays their hand on someone that it's brutality? What about if they lay their hands their hands and someone throws a thump, they let it go because "they started it"?

Torakx

amacachi wrote: »

I don't know and you don't know what was happening before the video cut to there. So you think that if a cop lays their hand on someone that it's brutality? What about if they lay their hands their hands and someone throws a thump, they let it go because "they started it"?

I understand you are defending your earlier statements.
But i honeslty believe that the law is right in regards to anyone laying their hands on another person.
They had NO right to even touch him pyshically.And he them.The moment they broke the law they stopped being law enforcement and became ticket officers looking to cause trouble by not just touching his person but trying to grab him on top of that in a way im sure any person would find uncomfortable when they are infact free...or are they not?

The only reason they get away with breaking the law is because its a fascist government and an enslaved people with a police force specifically trained to feel they are superior and are sometimes needed to keep the peace no matter how many peaceful people they need to beat down in the process...water guns and terrorist camera activity included.

ps.According to law maritime and common aswell probably as legal,If a police man breaks the law while trying to arrest you he is no longer acting under his duty and can be arrested for breaking the law via a citizens arrest.That citizen may have been trying to simply fend off his attackers as appose to seeking to arrest them.
If a man in a dirty jacket stops you on the street,grabs your arm and doesnt let go,would you do what he says or try pull away even violently try pull your arm away and push him back as he came forward for no logical reason?
Those policemen were not acting under any law i know of and therefore in my eyes and the laws afaik are not to be seen as policemen from that point onwards.I would imagine in a court hearing this would also apply legally.
This is why sometimes evidence is inadmissable in courts.Because items were seized without legal or lawfull warrents etc.It applies in many areas iirc.

amacachi

Torakx wrote: »

I understand you are defending your earlier statements.
But i honeslty believe that the law is right in regards to anyone laying their hands on another person.
They had NO right to even touch him pyshically.And he them.The moment they broke the law they stopped being law enforcement and became ticket officers looking to cause trouble by not just touching his person but trying to grab him on top of that in a way im sure any person would find uncomfortable when they are infact free...or are they not?

Again, we don't know what else happened. Also, if a cop puts his hand on someone to get their attention then that person can punch them with immunity? The cop did nothing wrong that I can see, and that's without knowing what else happened beforehand.

The only reason they get away with breaking the law is because its a fascist government and an enslaved people with a police force specifically trained to feel they are superior and are sometimes needed to keep the peace no matter how many peaceful people they need to beat down in the process...water guns and terrorist camera activity included.

Guy who squirted the water gun at them was ignored.

ps.According to law maritime and common aswell probably as legal,If a police man breaks the law while trying to arrest you he is no longer acting under his duty and can be arrested for breaking the law via a citizens arrest.That citizen may have been trying to simply fend off his attackers as appose to seeking to arrest them.
If a man in a dirty jacket stops you on the street,grabs your arm and doesnt let go,would you do what he says or try pull away even violently try pull your arm away and push him back as he came forward for no logical reason?
Those policemen were not acting under any law i know of and therefore in my eyes and the laws afaik are not to be seen as policemen from that point onwards.I would imagine in a court hearing this would also apply legally.
This is why sometimes evidence is inadmissable in courts.Because items were seized without legal or lawfull warrents etc.It applies in many areas iirc.

If I was ever being arrested, apprehended or anything else by the police I wouldn't question it, because it serves no purpose whatsoever. If in this case the impression from the video that we're getting is 100% accurate then all he had to do was take a step back. If he was about to be arrested he goes with it and is then exonerated. Simples.
I might go to the cops about the guy who poked me to wake me up on the bus a few months ago.

Just so you know, I have no love for the police, quite the opposite in fact, but I'm not going to judge them on what is hugely obviously a biased piece of video where they did nothing wrong that I can see. Of course in the case of yer man being pushed over during the protests posted earlier there should be action taken. The specific action is up for discussion but shoving someone like that is completely different to laying a hand on someone.

Torakx

I see it as provocation.The guy that was at that park in London was being an ass i know.
But so were the cops imo.
I agree anything could have happened beforehand,but if it was that bad he would already have 3 or 4 cops swarming on him to arrest him.As it was he seemed to be dancing past in a mocking manor.And i think he is asking fro trouble for doing that,not because he is wrong to go freely about his celebrating,but that he should have known he is not a free man at all and subject to the strong armed authority the police wield over the citizens its supposed to be protecting.

My question is who were the police protecting in that video?
I didnt see them helping anyone out of the way or assisting anyone with anything.
Is there more info on that particular situation?

Mahatma coat

amacachi wrote: »

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If I was ever being arrested, apprehended or anything else by the police I wouldn't question it, because it serves no purpose whatsoever. If in this case the impression from the video that we're getting is 100% accurate then all he had to do was take a step back. If he was about to be arrested he goes with it and is then exonerated. Simples

Just wanted to take this bit seperatley first.

WTF???? Are you for Real??????????

You have obviously never been arrested and through the Court system

amacachi

Torakx wrote: »

I see it as provocation.The guy that was at that park in London was being an ass i know.
But so were the cops imo.
I agree anything could have happened beforehand,but if it was that bad he would already have 3 or 4 cops swarming on him to arrest him.As it was he seemed to be dancing past in a mocking manor.And i think he is asking fro trouble for doing that,not because he is wrong to go freely about his celebrating,but that he should have known he is not a free man at all and subject to the strong armed authority the police wield over the citizens its supposed to be protecting.

See to me 3 or 4 swarming someone who is showing no resistance would be over the top. But when one tries to and he begins throwing thumps it makes sense for them to swarm.

My question is who were the police protecting in that video?
I didnt see them helping anyone out of the way or assisting anyone with anything.
Is there more info on that particular situation?

Again, I don't know, and that's the point I'm making. A quick google suggests that Oxford St. had to be shut down for a time due to the size of the gathering and general muppetry, and one man arrested for GBH while someone is in hospital with facial injuries. Only two arrests for public order, so that camera seemed to be in the "right" place.

TalkieWalkie

USA.
Vid link.. http://www.ajc.com/video?bcpid=1659825399&bclid=1717763711&bctid=111671504001

The third-grade teacher had phoned for help. But within minutes of an officer coming to her backdoor, she was screaming in pain and begging not to be shocked again with a Taser. With each scream and cry, the officer threatened her with more shocks.

"All of it's just unreal to me. I was scared to death," Wells said in an interview with the AJC. "He kept tasing me and tasing me. My fingernails are still burned. My leg, back and my butt had a long scar on it for days."

The officer in question is Ryan Smith of the Lumpkin Police Department. Smith was called to back up an officer from the Richland Police Department because the sheriff's office in the county, Stewart, had no deputies to send.

Smith resigned as a result of the incident. The other officer involved, Tim Murphy of Richland PD, was fired for using pepper spray while trying to arrest Wells.

Wells is considering filing a lawsuit, according to her attorney,.

The details of the altercation between Wells and the officers have been fodder discussions in the two towns, which are only 10 miles apart. Some have speculated there was a racial component to the altercation between Wells and the policemen; Wells is black and the officers are white.

Stewart County Sheriff Larry Jones, who came to the house seconds after the last electric shock was administered, suspects the outcome would have been different if the woman had been white and the officers black.

“I don’t think they would have done a white female like that,” said Jones, who is black. “If they had, it wouldn’t have been any doubt about whether they need to be terminated.”

Much of what happened in front of Wells' house was recorded by the camera on the dash of Smith's patrol car. The AJC obtained a copy of the video.

Wells, hidden from camera view by the open door of the Richland patrol car, can be heard pleading, “Don’t do that! Don’t do that!”

“Get in the car. Get in the car. You’re going to get it again,” Smith answered.

Almost immediately there is another clicking as the Taser is discharged again and Wells screams.

"Don't do it! Don't do it!" Wells pleads again.

Smith, who quit eight days after the incident, remains unrepentant.

"I did what I had to do to take control of the situation," Smith told the AJC about his decision to repeatedly discharge his Taser.

Yet his former boss, Lumpkin Police Chief Steven Ogle, was shocked when he saw the video.

"I couldn’t believe it,” Ogle said. “You don’t use it [a Taser] for punitive reasons, to prod someone. It was evident it was an improper use of force. He was an excellent officer other than that incident."

Smith resigned just as Ogle started the process to fire him, the chief said. Smith now works for the Chattahoochee County Sheriff's office.

And on April 28, the Richland Police Department fired Murphy, the officer who first arrived at Wells' home. Murphy did not return phone calls seeking comment.

Some of the details contained in police department records conflict with those provided in interviews. And only the end of the encounter between Wells and the officers is captured on video.

But all agree that the struggle between Wells, 57, and Murphy, 52, started because she would not tell him the name of a friend who was at her house in Richland, 35 miles southeast of Columbus, when Murphy arrived around 9:30 p.m. on April 26.

Wells, who teaches in Columbus, said she had called to report a prowler. Murphy wrote in his police report that he was dispatched to check out a report of an “unwanted guest.”

John Robinson was at Wells' house when Murphy pulled up. Robinson told the AJC his friend of 26 years had called him to be with her until the police arrived. Robinson lives 10 miles from Wells and her husband was in McRae, almost 90 miles away.

According to Robinson, Wells and the police reports, the officer only asked Robinson how long he had known Wells, the status of their relationship and where he lived. Murphy asked nothing more, not even Robinson's name.

Moments later Robinson left. Murphy wrote he let the man leave because it is best to seperate people in domestic violence situations.

“I could always arrest him later if I needed to since he lived nearby,” Murphy wrote in a report obtained by the AJC.

But Wells and Robinson said there was no violence and nothing to suggest there had been any.

As Robinson pulled out of the driveway, Murphy asked Wells for her friend's name.

She refused to give it.

“'You don’t need to know that,'” Murphy wrote in his report was Wells' response. “I told her that she would need to give me the information that I needed or she would be arrested for obstruction. I explained that state law mandates that we investigate to determine if there has been any family violence.”

She retrieved her purse and began walking around the side of her house until Murphy said he was taking her to jail.

“Janice then backed up from me in a fight or flight stance and I grabbed her arm and placed a handcuff on it,” Murphy wrote. “She pulled away and she took off. I sprayed her with pepper spray. I chased her around the house and tripped and fell, injuring my knee just as I caught up with her. As I was once again walking her to the car, she broke loose again and ran. She tripped and fell and I grabbed her again. As we got to the car, I attempted to get the other handcuff on her and get her in the car.”

Wells told the AJC, she finally stopped.

“I fell to the ground. I was balled up and I was begging him to leave me alone,” Wells said. “Then he called for help.”

Smith answered Murphy's call for backup.

In his report, Smith wrote he was concerned for Murphy’s welfare because his voice was weak. “[He] sound[ed] as if he could barely talk,” Smith wrote.

The camera recorded images of Smith's short drive down a two-lane road, but once he got within sight of the Wells' clapboard house, the dash cam also began recording sound.

As Smith pulled up, the video showed, Murphy was leaning on the roof of his car and a side door was open. He appeared to be talking to Wells, who was “in a ball position facing the ground,” according to Smith’s report.

Smith, 22, said nothing as he strode to the side of the car, his Taser in hand.

Then came the sound of the electric buzz of the Taser and Wells screaming “Oh God! Oh God!”

“Get in the car! Get in the car! Get in the car! You gonna get it again,” Smith screamed.

Wells cried.

In seconds the sound of the Taser can be heard again.

“Don’t do it. Don’t do it. I ain’t gonna do nothing,” Wells pleaded.

Smith is heard threatening a more aggressive setting on his Taser.

And then he used it again.

“It felt like electricity going through your body,” Wells said. "He was tasing me so fast and I was asking them to stop. To me, it was like it was a dream."

Murphy’s report says Smith used his Taser three times.

Smith said he probably discharged the Taser three or four times for a total of six seconds. One of those times, he shocked himself.

The sound from the video suggests he discharged the device at least four times.

Wells' attorney, Gary Parker, said it may have been as many as 12 times. Parker said no decision has been made on filing a lawsuit but he is talking with local officials about a resolution.

After hearing about the calls to Wells' house, a woman he had known for years, the sheriff got to the house just as she was shocked for the last time.

He said he could hear her screams as he pulled up.

“Larry, help me,” Wells said as the sheriff walked up. “Larry, I didn’t do nothing.”

Jones said, “It took my best to hold my composure.”

On the video, Jones can be heard softly reassuring Wells.

Later that night, Jones bonded Wells out of jail and drove her to an area hospital to be examined.

He watched the video from the dash camera later.

“It was worse than what I thought it was. I was shocked,” the sheriff told the AJC.

"The public needs to know.”
Inside AJC.COM

Lab_Mouse

Another example for ye's:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5wGdhS6kL4

Di0genes

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

USA.
Vid link.. http://www.ajc.com/video?bcpid=1659825399&bclid=1717763711&bctid=111671504001

So lets be clear. In your own article the police were fired for use of excessive force?

My god! The system! It. It...Works!

TalkieWalkie

Di0genes wrote: »

So lets be clear. In your own article the police were fired for use of excessive force?

My god! The system! It. It...Works!

It's not my article.

And to be clear, no - 1 resigned and 1 quit, 1 is now working for a sherrifs department.

Does the system still work ? :rolleyes:

Di0genes

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

It's not my article.

You posted it And raised it. Why? Or should I have said in the article you posted? :eek::P:pac::cool::):D;):rolleyes::(:rolleyes:

Getting into pedantry is no way to win an argument

And to be clear, no - 1 resigned and 1 quit, 1 is now working for a sherrifs department.

Try again chief

THE ARTICLE wrote:

im Murphy of Richland PD, was fired for using pepper spray while trying to arrest Wells.

Torakx

Lab Mouse that was hilarious
He was asking for it though.

Lab_Mouse

Torakx wrote: »

Lab Mouse that was hilarious
He was asking for it though.

Yeah he defo wasnt expecting that!!!:D

robtri

Di0genes wrote: »

You posted it And raised it. Why? Or should I have said in the article you posted? :eek::P:pac::cool::):D;):rolleyes::(:rolleyes:

Getting into pedantry is no way to win an argument



Try again chief

And the one who resigned, was in the process fo getting fired as well...

studiorat

Mahatma coat wrote: »

You have obviously never been arrested and through the Court system

There's been a couple of posts on this forum lately where the posters seem to think that being arrested is some sort of badge of honor and seems to suggest that they have more of an insight into how the legal system works.

So I'd like to point out two things:

- Plenty of people have been arrested and through the system and still don't have a clue how the legal system works. Why should you think you are any different?

- Why would anyone listen to you? You got caught:pac::pac::pac:

TalkieWalkie

Ha Ha, cop gets busted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUkiyBVytRQ

A former police officer faces jail after an internet video exposed his bid to prosecute a cycling protester for running into him as a lie.

Patrick Pogan claimed activist Christopher Long steered into him and knocked him down during a demonstration in New York.

But a YouTube video seen by two million people so far has exposed him as a liar.
Still video images show how officer Patrick Pogan knocked over Christopher Long, despite opposite claims

Caught on camera: Still video images show how officer Patrick Pogan knocked over Christopher Long, despite opposite claims

The video shows Pogan walking over to the cyclist and shoving him to the ground instead.

Mr Long was acquitted of assault charges and received a £40,000 payout from the city’s police.

Now Pogan, who was a recent recruit at the time of the protest two years ago, has been forced to quit his job in disgrace and has been convicted of lying.

The 24-year-old faces four years in jail when he is sentenced later today, although it is likely that he will be handed probation instead.

The case has highlighted the growing role of witness videos in law enforcement, and it spotlighted a history of conflict between the New York Police Department and a group of pro-cycling demonstrators.

Back in July 2008, Pogan had been assigned to keep order and watch out for traffic violations as a bike protest called Critical Mass passed through Times Square.

Participants and police already had a rocky relationship after more than 260 cyclists were arrested during a similar event before the Republican National Convention in 2004.

Pogan said he told Mr Long to stop to get ticketed for such infractions as taking his hands off his handlebars.

But the cyclist kept going, and he testified he never heard any instruction to stop.

Pogan initially reported that Mr Long steered into him and knocked him down.

But a tourist's video showed the officer striding over to the cyclist and shoving him off his bike.

The video has now been watched by more than 2million YouTube viewers.

Pogan testified that he was trying to protect himself and never meant to misrepresent what happened.

Mr Long, who wasn't seriously hurt, was charged with attempted assault and other offences.

The charges were later dropped, and the city paid the real victim $65,000 to settle a lawsuit he filed.

Pogan resigned last year from the police force.

Defence lawyer Stuart London declined to say whether Pogan, whose father is a retired NYPD detective, planned to speak at his sentencing.

Now watch the video that caught the liar out...

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1294607/Busted-YouTube-video-watched-2m-proves-police-officer-lied-claiming-cyclist-ran-him.html#ixzz0tl9w7Rh8

robtri

The police force is massive, not everyone in the police force is an honest and upright community... there are a few bad apples, but the majority are hard working, nice, members of the community...

Talk about tar and brush around here...

Torakx

Yes i think that looked like an isolated case.
But it says to me that some of these guys are expressing the general feeling of the police force.They are supposed to be servants but apparently they feel they are superior in general.Only a small few actually lose there constraint on themselves and give in to their feelings however misguided.

Mahatma coat

Just heard on the Radio, NO Charges will be brought against the Police Officer that Killed Ian Tomlinson, apparently they have enough for an assault charge but dont want to try him for Manslaughter:rolleyes:

amacachi

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Just heard on the Radio, NO Charges will be brought against the Police Officer that Killed Ian Tomlinson, apparently they have enough for an assault charge but dont want to try him for Manslaughter:rolleyes:

The manslaughter charge I'd be 50/50 about, I hate the all-encompassing nature of it, but there being no assault charge (open to correction on this) is beyond belief.