Which Passat 1.4tsi or 2.0 diesel

little_monty

My current set of wheels is 12 years old so time for a change.

I was thinking of a Passat .. perhaps a 2008 model with some extras.

I drive about 13000 miles per year.

I am looking for advice on whether i should look at the 1.4tsi and 2.0 diesel models.
How to they compare in terms of :

- Price
- fuel economy,
- tax
- servicing cost
- other ?

pajero12

1.9 tdi or 2.0 diesel for definite! The 1.4 petrol is horribly underpowered in a golf,never mind the heavier passat! But thats in my opinion!

zero_nine

You should go for the 2.0 TDI, by quite a large margin. The Passat needs a torquey diesel engine, especially with passengers. Keep the small capacity turbo petrols for the lighter motors.

The 1.4 tsi looks attractive on paper, but day-to-day you'll be glad you have the diesel five years from now.

I have 04 19 myself. Mostly happy with it- the front susp give problems from time to time but they've sorted that you for the newer model

EPM

Diesel for resale. But you will also pay a premium when buying.

Had a Passat tsi as a rental one time. Couldn't fault it to be honest. Feels like a bigger engine. Can drink a bit though

-Chris-

2.0TDI all day long

bazz26

pajero12 wrote: »

1.9 tdi or 2.0 diesel for definite! The 1.4 petrol is horribly underpowered in a golf,never mind the heavier passat! But thats in my opinion!

The 1.4 litre petrol in the Passat is the newer TSi engine with 122bhp. My uncle just traded one of these and it is surprisingly nippy give the size of the car. Will not win any races but is agile enough.

OP given that you only do average mileage I think you would probably be better off with the 1.4 litre to be honest. The 2.0 litre PD TDi unit is not the most reliable so the small savings you will gain at the pump could easily be wiped out if something like an injector or DMF (dual mass flywheel) needs to be replaced.

cadaliac

bazz26 wrote: »

The 1.4 litre petrol in the Passat is the newer TSi engine with 122bhp. My uncle just traded one of these and it is surprisingly nippy give the size of the car. Will not win any races but is agile enough.

OP given that you only do average mileage I think you would probably be better off with the 1.4 litre to be honest. The 2.0 litre PD TDi unit is not the most reliable so the small savings you will gain at the pump could easily be wiped out if something like an injector or DMF (dual mass flywheel) needs to be replaced.

+1
small milage does not warrant the diesel imo. It will be nicer to drive, I would prefer the diesel myself, but the money side of things would sway towards the petrol, as bazz26 says a major fault with the diesel will wipe out any savings at the pumps. Test drive both before you make up your mind though.
my2c.

freighter

I would have said the 2.0 tdi until i seen what mileage they were doing. The 1.4 tsi has 122bhp. The 2.0 tdi is scarce with low mileage and you will pay well for a low mileage car.

I have the 2.0 tdi but i own a transport company so thats why i get the fuel a lot cheaper. Try and get a highline with the extras;)

bmw535d

diesel hands down in a big car

sesna

I've driven the 1.4 TSI and was surprised how quickly it would get to 80mph. If I owned one I would be very happy with it.

Amazing engineering from Volkswagen

bazz26

sesna wrote: »

I've driven the 1.4 TSI and was surprised how quickly it would get to 80mph. If I owned one I would be very happy with it.

Amazing engineering from Volkswagen

I wouldn't go that far, it's a standard small capacity direct injected petrol engine with a turbo charger. Fiat have their 1.6 litre T-jet engine with 150bhp and Opel have a 1.6 litre turbo engine producing 180bhp. Ford also have a new range of Ecoboost engines including a 1.0 litre turbo in the next Focus.

sesna

bazz26 wrote: »

I wouldn't go that far, it's a standard small capacity direct injected petrol engine with a turbo charger. Fiat have their 1.6 litre T-jet engine with 150bhp and Opel have a 1.6 litre turbo engine producing 180bhp. Ford also have a new range of Ecoboost engines including a 1.0 litre turbo in the next Focus.

http://green.autoblog.com/2008/05/08/volkswagen-tsi-engine-wins-its-category-again-for-engine-of-the/

EPM

bazz26 wrote: »

I wouldn't go that far, it's a standard small capacity direct injected petrol engine with a turbo charger. Fiat have their 1.6 litre T-jet engine with 150bhp and Opel have a 1.6 litre turbo engine producing 180bhp. Ford also have a new range of Ecoboost engines including a 1.0 litre turbo in the next Focus.

Agree 100%

Small capacity and peppy doesn't work for me. But diesel dmf and dpf issues are worse. Owners on seatcupra.net don't complain about that engine in a slightly higher state of tune.

It punches a lot higher than it's weight

bazz26

sesna wrote: »

http://green.autoblog.com/2008/05/08/volkswagen-tsi-engine-wins-its-category-again-for-engine-of-the/

I am aware of the awards alright but all I am saying is that it's not revolutionary. Honda could get 160bhp out of a 1.6 VTEC n/a engine back in the early 1990s with no turbos or super chargers.

sesna

bazz26 wrote: »

I am aware of the awards alright but all I am saying is that it's not revolutionary. Honda could get 160bhp out of a 1.6 VTEC n/a engine back in the early 1990s with no turbos or super chargers.

Fair enough, I dont drive enough cars to compare and Im sure there are much better engine. I was just amazed that 1.4 litre engine worked so well with such a big saloon car.

badboyblast

Have an 05 2 litre TDI sport myself, really like it but will be changing in a few months for something else, bought it with 51KM and have 88KM on it now.
Great on long journeys and an excellent spec.

Just being curious why would a diesel not be economical for someone doing 13K a year?
isn`t Diesel cheaper and lasts longer?

EPM

It costs more to buy in the first place, and modern diesels can give problems with dual mass flywheels and particle filters tilt can be expensive to put right taking out any economy savings. If you're doing low mileage about town it can happen earlier...

bazz26

badboyblast wrote: »

Have an 05 2 litre TDI sport myself, really like it but will be changing in a few months for something else, bought it with 51KM and have 88KM on it now.
Great on long journeys and an excellent spec.

Just being curious why would a diesel not be economical for someone doing 13K a year?
isn`t Diesel cheaper and lasts longer?

Because a diesel model will initially cost more to buy than the petrol model. To make savings you need to be filling up very regularly to claw some of that premium back.

Also as already mentioned in this thread diesel engines are more complex these days and less reliable. Dual Mass Flywheel (DMF), Diesel Particle Filter (DPF) are all prone to failing on diesel engines these days even on low milege cars, replacing these components can wipe out any savings made at the pump.

badboyblast

tnks