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Gulf Oil Spill

  • 03-06-2010 7:15pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭


    I am new here so forgive me if I am in the wrong place. I have been watching the Gulf Oil Spill for some time and have been searching around the net in a local fashion to see what interest we the Irish have in this Spill. It seems there is little interest in this for whatever reason and I wondered, why?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭Andypando


    http://www.latimes.com/includes/soundslides/oil-spill/la-oil-spill.34.jpg

    Not sure if I got the link right, but it seems it is worth a look.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭Andypando




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭Shiny


    I'm fairly interested in what a huge ****ing disaster it is.

    More people would be interested if it were to wash over
    to our coast perhaps.

    Either way I think it will hasten the move towards more
    sustainable energy sources.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    I think that those of us concerned about the environment are very worried about the spill and its long term consequences for the region. That said there seems to be one disaster after another these days and perhaps we are all punch drunk from too much bad news. I know I'm sick of arguing about climate change with people - especially those who think it clever to jump on the denier bandwagon. One only has to cast an eye on the Infrastructure Forum to see how many people still are in love with motorways/cars/trucks etc and can't get their heads round the fact that road based transport solutions are utterly unsustainable. I argue the case for rail based solutions in the Commuting Forum but wouldn't waste my time in the Infrastructure Roads Forum. Sorry for wandering off topic but I think it is all related:(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭Andypando


    http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/06/caught_in_the_oil.html

    I just found this .

    What can you say when you see something like this.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Truly unspeakable, even a hardened old bugger like me found those pics seriously hard to look at - like something from a horror movie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭thirtythirty


    I'm a firm believer that getting in a tizzy about something that is currently going on achieves nothing and best to get on and deal with it.

    I'd have MUCH more interest in the aftermath and how this affects energy policies <going forward>, to use the Irish politician's favourite term.

    Maybe Irish sentiment in general is like that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭Andypando




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭Andypando


    This on our own doorstep last week. It seems there was a 300 sq mile slick,but not to worry it was all out to sea. I was reading of this on a Danish to English site. How come it was not news worthy at the time in Ireland?

    From The Intel Hub.......

    Gas build-up threatens North Sea oil rig; Another Deepwater Horizon?

    May 29, 2010 by NotForSale2NWO
    Filed under Featured, Health & Environment, International news

    Leave a Comment


    Oil-Rig-300x178.pngOil rig in the North Sea faces disaster

    Workers evacuated as Norwegian engineers pump cement into offshore well to prevent explosion as Deepwater crisis highlights environmental dangers of drilling
    Ninety oil workers have been evacuated from a North Sea rig as engineers fight to control a huge build up of pressure in a well which critics say has the potential to blow-up the platform and cause a major environmental problem.
    The Norwegian company Statoil has been pumping cement into an offshore well on the Gullfaks field in an operation similar to the one being attempted today by BP in the Gulf of Mexico.
    The equivalent of around 70,000 barrels of oil a day of production from the Gullfaks C, Tordis and Gimle platforms has been shut down and more than 90 staff evacuated from the area, which lies in Norwegian waters.
    The country’s industry regulator said it was the third well control incident on Gullfaks in the past six months.
    Jake Molloy, offshore organiser of the RMT union in Aberdeen, said the case also highlighted the continuing dangers of oil extraction off Britain’s coast. He added: “The huge gas bubble under the Gullfaks has the potential to threaten the platform.”
    However, Statoil said today that the well was being brought under control. “We had a build-up in pressure and the barriers (through the blowout preventer) worked as they should. We are now pumping cement into the well and the pressure is starting to fall,” said Kai Neilsen, a spokesman for the oil group in London.
    Nelson said the previous incidents on Gullfaks had not been serious but Inger Anda, a spokeswoman for Norway’s Petroleum Safety Authority (PSA), said a well “kick”, reported in December, was serious. A further incident on 30 April this year – also a gas kick caused by high pressure – was brought under control quickly.
    Anda said the authority was having daily meetings with Statoil until the latest problem was resolved. More…


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭Andypando


    I found this site but I am unable to post it. It is a map of the Gulf Stream, and the Atlantic. Yes our Atlantic. I found this interesting.

    maker.geocommons.com/maps/15481


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    This thread is getting very heavy on images and very light on discussion. Andypando, could we have a little more opinion from you please?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭Andypando


    djpbarry wrote: »
    This thread is getting very heavy on images and very light on discussion. Andypando, could we have a little more opinion from you please?

    Point taken.. As it happens I had a plan of sorts which would have ended with this last post.


    (May 27) -- The Gulf oil spill's toll on the environment remains difficult to quantify at this time, but a new video of a journey into the dark heart of the spill taken by Philippe Cousteau Jr., grandson of legendary undersea explorer Jacques Cousteau, reveals a "nightmarish" scene.

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    Cousteau was investigating whether Corexit, the environmentally-tenuous chemical dispersant that BP has been spraying into the Atlantic since the spill began is "breaking down the oil or if the byproduct they are forming is causing more damage to sea life." ABC Good Morning America reporter Sam Champion, who was along for the ride, was shocked and appalled at what he found.

    "The entire water column is thick with this oil and chemical dispersant mix and it's absolutely disgusting," said Champion, "I think that this has got to be one of the most horrible things I've ever seen underwater."

    The display, Cousteau said, was but "a snapshot of what's happening in the Gulf. This is a nightmare, this is nightmare."

    Cousteau also told Champion that what frightened him the most was that volume of the oil spill dispersant mix was unprecedented, thus it is impossible to predict its side effects.

    Nalco, the company that manufactures Corexit, today released additional technical information about the product, saying it "is a simple blend of six well-established, safe ingredients that biodegrade, do not bioaccumulate and are commonly found in popular household products," according to Marketwatch.


    ...........................................................

    My reason for this being the last post on this issue for a time is.....
    I have been reading of this spill for some time now, and I have come across all sorts of notions as to its cause, the workings of oil company s, and conspiracy.
    Being a reader and not necessarily a believer of conspiracy, this Cousteau video leads me to believe this spill is much more than we are being told.
    Those dispersant s being used are a two fold problem I think. The oil being dispersed is floating below the surface, and some scientists say it is several feet thick. The dispersant is also going to kill a lot of marine life not only in the US, but around the whole world.
    My last thought for now is...
    Why are we not paying more attention to this from the Ireland point of view. We should not fail to realize we in this country are living on a large rock in the middle of this potential soup. We should be hearing and seeing more of this on our radio and TV I believe


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭Andypando


    Case in point Corexit. I looked this chemical up and found all sorts of oddities. This I read on Daily Herald. It seems this chemical is banned in any number of places, and yet it is used with careless abandon in the Gulf of Mexico.



    Naperville-based Nalco Holding Co. said Friday that an older and a newer version of its dispersant being used in the Gulf of Mexico oil spill recovery are both safe for the environment and for workers, despite a government order that BP seek less toxic alternatives.
    Nalco said it would continue to provide the chemcial and London-based BP, with operations in Naperville, said it would continue to use it.
    BP on Friday sent a letter to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, responding to its May 19 directive on dispersants, said local BP spokesman Scott Dean.
    "The letter outlines our findings that none of the alternative products on the EPA's National Contingency Plan Product Schedule list meets all three criteria specified in (Thursday's) directive for availability, toxicity and effectiveness," said Dean.
    dispersants_g051010.jpg
    Nalco's Corexit brand of dispersant is an EPA preapproved, effective, low-toxicity dispersant that is readily available "and we continue to use it," Dean said.
    Two versions of Corexit were provided in the Gulf emergency. The newest version is called 9500, which has a different mix of chemicals than the previous version, called 9527. Each has a very long shelf life, said Nalco spokesman Charlie Pajor.
    "They are safe and effective," said Pajor. "Corexit 9527 is still stocked by various responders in various locations around the world. When the spill occurred, the Gulf response team brought in Corexit dispersants from the various stockpiles, some included 9527, some included 9500."
    Whether the government agencies involved in the clean up have reservations about one version over the other isn't clear. But the overall effort was still a responsible thing to do, said Richard Eastman, an analyst with Robert W. Baird & Co. Inc. in Milwaukee.
    "BP is in crisis mode and has a comfort level with Nalco and with Corexit," said Eastman. "So Nalco had to scrambled to deliver huge quantizes of that product that BP has asked for. They've never had to deal with that kind of volume before."
    Eastman estimates that Nalco has so far sold about $40 million worth of Corexit to BP for the recovery mission. Government agencies, that are part of the Deepwater Horizon Unified Command, estimate about 670,000 gallons of the product have been used there since late April.
    Nalco, a global company that provides water processing solutions, first had access to Corexit in the 1990s, when it had a joint venture with its energy solutions business with Exxon Mobil. By 2001, the joint venture was dissolved and Nalco continued with Corexit, Pajor said.
    The product is often shipped in bulk by tank trucks or by planes. It is then sprayed at the oil spill site from airplanes or boats. The product then acts like a dish soap to separate the oil from the water. It then forms small bits that sink down into the water and are eaten by microorganisms.
    While Corexit has been used by various companies worldwide, nothing compares to its current usage for perhaps Nalco's biggest project to date. It had to ramp up production at its facilities in Texas and Louisiana, Pajor said.
    "This has been most unusual," Pajor said about the demand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    Andypando wrote: »
    Case in point Corexit. I looked this chemical up and found all sorts of oddities.
    It's just a form of surfactant - they're used in all sorts of applications and they're relatively harmless, although admittedly, dumping huge quantities into the ocean is not ideal, but what's the alternative?
    Andypando wrote: »
    It seems this chemical is banned in any number of places...
    Such as?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭Andypando


    djpbarry wrote: »
    It's just a form of surfactant - they're used in all sorts of applications and they're relatively harmless, although admittedly, dumping huge quantities into the ocean is not ideal, but what's the alternative?
    Such as?


    http://www.propublica.org/ion/blog/item/In-Gulf-Spill-BP-Using-Dispersants-Banned-in-UK


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭Andypando


    This is a live feed of the oil leak which they thought they had under control. This feed is from The Washington Post. There are any number of feeds from the BP ROVs. This is the latest attempt to syphon the oil for collection on the surface.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2005/04/12/VI2005041201240.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭Andypando


    Are we in trouble or what?


    http://www.jtnog.org/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭Andypando


    This is a live BP feed. For some reason I find it difficult to get a good feed from BP, for some reason they are hard to see.
    There are some good feeds fron CNN also.

    http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/local_assets/html/Enterprise_ROV_2.html

    How come so little interest?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭Andypando


    I suppose it could be called part of the knock-on-effect, There are 3 Nuclear Power Plants, also desalination plants, with a new one which was planned in May 2010. There are said to be some 20 million people in this threatened area with some people talking of evacuation as the hurricane season started in June....

    From Oil Watch Florida.

    As the oil off Louisiana’s coast continues to threaten wildlife, tourism, and the fishing industry, nuclear power plants along Florida’s Gulf coast are also on edge. Progress Energy spokeswoman Susan Grant says that while forecasts look good now, they are definitely preparing for the worst at locations like their Crystal River Nuclear Plant. Grant says their coastal plants are already somewhat prepared because of standard precautions already in place. She says Progress Energy is taking no chances considering the potentially devastating effects of oil entering their plants. Aside from the Crystal River Nuclear complex in Citrus County, Progress Energy is making preperations at their Anclote Plant in Pasco County and their Bartlow Plant in Pinellas County.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    Ok, I'm not seeing any discussion developing here. Just a single poster pasting image-after-news report-after-image.

    Andypando, please read the charter before posting anything on this forum again.


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