Long jump/triple jump accuracy?

walshb

Is Mike Powell's long jump really the best ever or could he and Lewis and Pedrosa
have jumped further.

Take away the board, and the athletes now do not have to think or concentrate on
not fouling, which should relax them and allow them to concentrate fully on applying the best jump they can.

Would a long jump or triple hump not see the true world bests if they did away with the board and simply allowed the jumper to jump from where he/she liked (within a distance/parameter) and then measure this to where he/she lands?

shels4ever

walshb wrote: »

Is Mike Powell's long jump really the best ever or could he and Lewis and Pedrosa
have jumped further.

Take away the board, and the athletes now do not have to think or concentrate on
not fouling, which should relax them and allow them to concentrate fully on applying the best jump they can.

Would a long jump or triple hump not see the true world bests if they did away with the board and simply allowed the jumper to jump from where he liked (within a distance/parameter) and then measure this to where he lands?

Sound like an ok idea, but then where do you draw the line, a running start for the 100m so you can do a 30m run in....

TheRoadRunner

I never thought about the long jump in this way and in principle it sounds like a good idea.

However the foul line does add an extra dimension. I guess a lot of track and field events are based on old games such as jumping ditches etc (I don't know if this is how the LJ event actually evolved:)). If you were jumping a ditch there would be a very real foul line and regardless of how far you could jump it's important you wouldn't take off too early late etc.

walshb

I think you could draw the line with the long and triple jump. I mean, the running races are from a stationary position, so a running start is a whole different thing.

In this day of technology I wouldn't think it would be all that difficult to track a long jumper as he/she makes their way down a strip of track and then makes their jump.

Also, I know that many jumps that were thought of as massive never got measured because the athlete fouled, is this the case? Sometimes they fouled by literally a centimetre or an inch. Is it IAAF policy NOT to measure a jump once it has
been declared a foul?

thirtyfoot

Its a skill in its own right. Try run at top speed and hit the ground within a space of say 30cm after a certain number of strides. It requires a lot of control, composure and consistency.

They tried this with kids, they could jump off from an area of 1m before the board.

Hitting the board is a great skill and would be a shame to see it go.

RoyMcC

walshb wrote: »

Also, I know that many jumps that were thought of as massive never got measured because the athlete fouled, is this the case? Sometimes they fouled by literally a centimetre or an inch. Is it IAAF policy NOT to measure a jump once it has
been declared a foul?

Yes, once the red flag goes up the officials are no longer involved until the next athlete is called. However an athlete can always ask for a jump to be unofficially measured. You just gotta be quick before the rake man gets to work on the sand

walshb

Tingle wrote: »

Its a skill in its own right. Try run at top speed and hit the ground within a space of say 30cm after a certain number of strides. It requires a lot of control, composure and consistency.

They tried this with kids, they could jump off from an area of 1m before the board.

Hitting the board is a great skill and would be a shame to see it go.

I understand that the board aspect is a skill. Timing and precision and stride length and all that, but it does require extra concentration and the athlete has to think about NOT fouling. If the athlete could jump when he/she was ready I feel that it would make for longer jumps, as it takes away the "having to think of the board and getting ones stride length ready."

shels4ever

walshb wrote: »

I understand that the board aspect is a skill. Timing and precision and stride length and all that, but it does require extra concentration and the athlete has to think about NOT fouling. If the athlete could jump when he/she was ready I feel that it would make for longer jumps, as it takes away the "having to think of the board and getting ones stride length ready."

Same can be said for the start of the 100m, get rid of false starts and see how we get on, i know what your saying with the freedom to do what you want we coudl see huge jumps and yoru right, but i think there needs to be some rules at least.

walshb

shels4ever wrote: »

Same can be said for the start of the 100m, get rid of false starts and see how we get on, i know what your saying with the freedom to do what you want we coudl see huge jumps and yoru right, but i think there needs to be some rules at least.

But the rule(s) are that a person can jump from where they choose within a parameter. That is the rule, and it applies equally to all. I don't see this being comparable to the fault start rule in a race. That is there so that one person doesn't start a race before another, which we all agree with.

Anyway, I do think of "mad things" from time to time, but this one came to me today from
nowhere. The Long Jump and Triple jump just seem to be the two disciplines that
could benefit from this, more than any other track of field event.

shels4ever

walshb wrote: »

But the rule(s) are that a person can jump from where they choose within a parameter. That is the rule, and it applies equally to all. I don't see this being comparable to the fault start rule in a race. That is there so that one person doesn't start a race before another, which we all agree with.

Anyway, I do think of "mad things" from time to time, but this one came to me today from
nowhere. The Long Jump and Triple jump just seem to be the two disciplines that
could benefit from this, more than any other track of field event.

Ah ok so you want some sort of jump zone that needs to be measured, maybe the space after the board before the pit, but the fun part will be how to measure is

walshb

shels4ever wrote: »

Ah ok so you want some sort of jump zone that needs to be measured, maybe the space after the board before the pit, but the fun part will be how to measure is

Well, in the 21st century with all the technology available they should have no problems, GPS maybe? That is just one way to measure. Hawkeye?

Pherekydes

shels4ever wrote: »

Ah ok so you want some sort of jump zone that needs to be measured, maybe the space after the board before the pit, but the fun part will be how to measure is

How do they currently measure how far the jumper is shy of the board (or over it)? They already have the technology.

shels4ever

Pherekydes wrote: »

How do they currently measure how far the jumper is shy of the board (or over it)? They already have the technology.

Yep thats true.

longjump67

The AAI have for the last 5 or 6 years introduced competitons for kids U-9 and 10 without using the board. The kids take off from a area roughly 1M square usally marked out in sand on the runway so that officials can see the mark left by the athlete. It is measured back to the take off mark not the foul line.
Huge difference for kids that age. Example had young athlete just out off this age group who is U-11 and has to jump fom the board competing last weekend. Best jump off 2.95M. Last night for training let him jump from the 1M square and he jumped 3.37M over 40cm more.

notsofast

I would have thought that the top long / triple jumpers know exactly how to hit the board correctly and practice it repeatedly. Not sure that they worry about this when running up or that it takes from the effort they give to the jump itself, given that most of them probably could hit within 10cm of the top of the board 99% of the time.

BeepBeep67

Probably a novel approach for a one off event, but the history is the board. A sub topic on this would be the long standing record of Powell is there anyone close to topping it must be one of the longest standing regular WR's at least in the mens.

RoyMcC

notsofast wrote: »

I would have thought that the top long / triple jumpers know exactly how to hit the board correctly and practice it repeatedly. Not sure that they worry about this when running up or that it takes from the effort they give to the jump itself, given that most of them probably could hit within 10cm of the top of the board 99% of the time.

You've not watched the Brits jumping then Idowu seems to have adopted this idea of jumping from a one-metre zone :pac:

longjump67

Just home from a county primary schools championships where no board was used just the 1 metre take off zone.
Being involved at county level from a number of years I would have a good idea of the athletes and their capabilities. The improvments today compared too competitions held just last weekend at provincal level were amazing. eg. Girls U-12 won in 4.33M Ulster champs won in 3.85M (same athlete)
Hitting the board correctly and taking off in the perfect angle can take years of practice. The withdrawal of the board to a 1 metre zone gives the athlete more freedom, helps them not break stride or stutter or stretch.
But the techology currently available to the AAI at national level is the EDM. This works on the principal of trigonometry, were the machine knows were it is postitoned in relation too the foul line and the measurement is taken with a prism from were the athlete lands and the calculations are made and displayed. The 1 Metre zone would require a more up to date from of technology which I fear would be much to costly at the moment, besides we are just getting to grips with convincing people to use the EDM

notsofast

You're right about beginners, they will definitely see huge improvements when they don't have to worry about the board. The thread started off by talking about the Pro's though. I don't think you could expect to see anything like the same percentage improvement ! Although Powell would have been even closer to 9m!!