Internal Sliding Doors - Help Please!!!

dan_d

Hi guys, don't normally post here but I think this is the thread I'm looking for.

I'm looking at putting double doors between my kitchen and living room.
Demolition/construction not a problem.But I'd like a few opinions and recommendations on the type of door.

Basically I was thinking about putting in a sliding or folding timber door, rather than standard double doors. I've been looking around the web, and it's hard to find exactly what I'm looking for. What I want to do is contruct a partition in front of the existing dividing wall and create a pocket on each side so the door is concealed when it's open. Ideally what I'd like is a timber door, with some glass - maybe half glass and preferably frosted. A lot of places only have full glass doors, or aluminium/PVC doors for external use. I also want one that has a track or guides at both top and bottom, so that it's anchored firmly in while rolling or in a closed position. The alternative is a folding door - same spec as the sliding - that folds as neatly as possible to each side of the door opening. Personally I'd prefer the sliding, but my OH is leaning towards the folding.

Has anyone any recommendations or thoughts on this? I'm fairly ignorant of what's good and what's not out there. Cost will be an issue, but I don't want to go for the cheapest thing on the market either. It was suggested to me by an architect (a friend) not to touch sliding doors, but I think that was personal prejudice on his part (I know all architects have their own personal likes and dislikes that they bring to designs aswell), so I'm looking for a few more opinions.

gears

What you're looking for is often called a "Pocket Door" and is very popular in the US, try googling that and you might have better luck in finding what you want.

dan_d

Thanks. Tried that - as you can imagine, it's not a phrase normally used in Ireland, so Irish companies stocking these are few and far between.
The company that looks best is <SNIP>

Edit: Do not post Company Names on thread, and do not ask for a reference of that company on thread. Please read the forum Charter.

nosedive

Why not just talk to your builder/carpenter about what you're trying to acheive? I think you'll find any good tradesmen will be intereested and have a good imagination for these things.

dan_d

I'm only at the research stage, and I have not yet appointed a builder/tradesman, is why!!! I just want to see if there's anyone out there with recommendations/opinions I haven't thought of. Sorry, I meant to say, this will be installed in an existing house, not a new build.

nhg

Any of them sliding pocket doors that I have come across have been done as you said, a stud built in front of the existing wall to form the pocket, before you slab the stud make sure to have your sliding track installed and most importantly to have the stops fitted as you will have no access to the track once you slab the wall. <SNIP> do good tracks and have a web site.

When you are having your doors manufactured ask to have (i am now referring to one of the doors but the same applies to both of them) the stile (side) of the door that goes into the pocket made wider than the the other e.g 4" on head and where two doors meet and 7" where door goes into pocket as some of the door remains behing your stud partition and it looks much better to see equal door stiles and head when the doors are in a closed position. You will need to figure out from the instructions with your track how much of the door stays behind the stud.

Make a liner to come around the side and top of your stud (I am sure you will be puting architrave on the wall on both sides) with a brush strip to cover the gap between the doors and the stud/wall as a brezee can come here, well feels like one anyway as there will be no heating in the pocket.

I would always prefer to have a track top and bottom even though some of the web sites just say the top, sink your bottom track into the floor so that you don't end up with a step.

dan_d

nhg that's perfect and much appreciated! I was wondering how I'd conceal the gap where the door slid into the wall, when it was in a closed position.
Thanks!

paddy147

This perhaps,sliding doors that are recessed/built into the walls.They move open and closeed on tracks and its also a geat way to make a statement in a house and make use of space.

dan_d

paddy147 wrote: »

This perhaps,sliding doors that are recessed/built into the walls.They move open and closeed on tracks and its also a geat way to make a statement in a house and make use of space.

Paddy147, is that your's and if it is, could you pm me the details of where you got the door itself? It's almost exactly what I'm looking for.

paddy147

dan_d wrote: »

Paddy147, is that your's and if it is, could you pm me the details of where you got the door itself? It's almost exactly what I'm looking for.

Yep, its mine.

Those doors are engineered oak 4 panel frosted glass doors and can be got from any half decent builders providers or door shop.If you are buying 2 or more than haggle like mad and you will get a good deal,also maybe get the door handles off the same sales man too,as you will get more for your money this way.

I got the doors in a builders providers.

The doors are attached to hidden tracks above,then a false/partition wall is built to hide the tracks and door runners/sliders.
The idea behind it was to still keep the rooms seperate,but make a more spacious enviroment and still let a nice amount of light in aswell.Light creates space and makes a room feel even bigger than it is.

And as you can see the doors open and close by sliding into and out of the wall.Not in the conventional door hinge manner.Handy for making good use of floor space and also means that kids cant slam doors or smack into them when running around at the speed of light playing in the house (as all kids do)
It also makes a house feel like it has more space than it really has,as the doors are not sitting there opened on conventional hinges..:)

Better view of the doors.

dan_d

That's pretty much exactly my thinking on it. That's great, thanks. That's really helpful.

fishfoodie

dan_d wrote: »

nhg that's perfect and much appreciated! I was wondering how I'd conceal the gap where the door slid into the wall, when it was in a closed position.
Thanks!

In the US I've seen strips that look like the black brush strips used for draught exclusion at the edges.

They look nice & obviously can adapt for different size gaps where the profile of the door changes.

Can't for the life of me remember the name of it though :rolleyes:

celticgooner

Hi all
Can one of you pm me in regards to where i can get one of these tracks in dublin as the wifes been wanting one for a few yrs
Cheers

pHek

Hi Paddy147,

I'm extending and planning 3 separate single pocket doors - kitchen to ultility room, kitchen to TV room and hall to downstairs bathroom.

I've recently moved back from the US where I lived in a rented house with 2 pocket doors that were top hung with no bottom guide rail. One door was jammed open and I couldn't unjam it myself and the other, though it functioned, didn't slide smoothly/quietly. I'd interested therefore in knowing what fittings you used and how they've stood up to daily wear and tear.

Cheers!!

braftery

PM sent

Viffer08

hi everyone


i have just registered, after searching on line for recessed / sliding internal doors, i came across the post by 'dan d' and 'Paddy147' response and i registered straight away.


after looking at the thread 'Paddy147 response' its also exactly what i am looking for , so i am wondering if you could PM me with the info where you got the runners / brackets and if any other fixtures are needed.


i am doing some remodeling after coming back into the house a couple of days after christmas to find the down stairs floating in water, so while the place is stripped out i am thinking of some space saving ideas between living room and dining room.


So any help would be greatly appreciated


Kind Regards


vf

paddy147

Viffer08 wrote: »

hi everyone


i have just registered, after searching on line for recessed / sliding internal doors, i came across the post by 'dan d' and 'Paddy147' response and i registered straight away.


after looking at the thread 'Paddy147 response' its also exactly what i am looking for , so i am wondering if you could PM me with the info where you got the runners / brackets and if any other fixtures are needed.


i am doing some remodeling after coming back into the house a couple of days after christmas to find the down stairs floating in water, so while the place is stripped out i am thinking of some space saving ideas between living room and dining room.


So any help would be greatly appreciated


Kind Regards


vf

I,ll tell you right now so.:)

Doors and chrome door handles/locks were supplied by Heaton Buckelys Builders providers (10 in total) so we got a good deal on the bulk buy.

Ball bearing sliders were also got from heaton Buckleys,as far as I know,but any door suppliers or the likes of KAD will have these ball bearing track systems available.

Basicly you are building 2 small studded walls,and then you leave the gap in between the walls for the doors to glide open and into the walls.

The doors are hung from the ball bearing track above,so basicly the doors are floating/hanging off the ground.

My doors slide open in between what used to be the old structural brick back wall of the house and a new false wall built on the inside on it,to let the doors slide open and into the walls.

Very handy this way,so we saved space and dont have to worry about kids slamming the doors open and closed all the time.Gives us extra floor space on both sides too.

I,ll throw up some pics of the doors and how they were put in/installed.:)

paddy147

Oh and a pic of the false wall frame too.

Viffer08

Thanx a mill Paddy147, will get looking that up now thanks.
Viffer08

terryjo

thats a super idea,i might look into doing that myself pretty soon
thanks

moan 77

COULD I GET A PM ON THE INFO

j timber

hi paddy
i also have this system installed(rail in place waiting for doors)!!just wondering about the handles,do they hit off your liner when doors are open fully?also do the doors just butt together or is a lock fitted to hold together?

wandererz

Sorry to resurrect this thread but have been reading this with much interest.
I am looking to accomplish something similar to the attached images and looking for recommendations as to how this can be done or by whom.

If you have any examples of something similar or any recommendations i would be glad to see them.

joeirish

paddy147 wrote: »

Yep, its mine.

Those doors are engineered oak 4 panel frosted glass doors and can be got from any half decent builders providers or door shop.If you are buying 2 or more than haggle like mad and you will get a good deal,also maybe get the door handles off the same sales man too,as you will get more for your money this way.

I got the doors in a builders providers.

The doors are attached to hidden tracks above,then a false/partition wall is built to hide the tracks and door runners/sliders.
The idea behind it was to still keep the rooms seperate,but make a more spacious enviroment and still let a nice amount of light in aswell.Light creates space and makes a room feel even bigger than it is.

And as you can see the doors open and close by sliding into and out of the wall.Not in the conventional door hinge manner.Handy for making good use of floor space and also means that kids cant slam doors or smack into them when running around at the speed of light playing in the house (as all kids do)
It also makes a house feel like it has more space than it really has,as the doors are not sitting there opened on conventional hinges..:)

Better view of the doors.

Why have you been banned. I can't PM you or so it seems? What's going on?

Chisler2

Is this pocket-door option available in a specification which could be used for a patio door between house and outside? Would there be insulation issues?

joeirish

joeirish wrote: »

Why have you been banned. I can't PM you or so it seems? What's going on?

I just realised the thread is quite old so maybe the two people who started it did something wrong or just left the boards?

muganj

Hi there

Could you also please PM with the supplier of Sliding Door rails ?

Thank you
JOhn

JonathonS

muganj wrote: »

Hi there

Could you also please PM with the supplier of Sliding Door rails ?

Thank you
JOhn

John, this thread is quite old and the two main protagonists are banned/closed, so I would keep looking if I were you.