Cleaning club in hazard

mirrorball

A quick rules question. Player hits his approach shot over a water hazard and safely onto the green. As he walks to the green, he cleans his club by dipping it in the water hazard. Is there a penalty?

Jasonw

No. Not unless he hits it off the green and back into the hazzard.

BUACHAILL

Jasonw wrote: »

No. Not unless he hits it off the green and back into the hazzard.

sorry to hijack

Jason how did you go in the Trilby today ?

Jasonw

Not good! After playing well all week I had an attack of the shanks. 7 in the round:eek:. Finished with 26 points. 34 was leading when I left. Course was beautiful but deadly. 9 points in the last 3 holes put an air of respectability on what in reality was a very poor round of golf.

MasterKZG

Out of coursity!!! If he had cleaned his club in the hazard while the ball is still in the hazard...is it 2 shots or 1 shot penalty!!

shawpower

MasterKZG wrote: »

Out of coursity!!! If he had cleaned his club in the hazard while the ball is still in the hazard...is it 2 shots or 1 shot penalty!!

Depends on the game being played. Matchplay is loss of hole. Strokeplay is two shots per breach of rule.

GreeBo

Under what ruling is he penalized?

Mister Sifter

GreeBo wrote: »

Under what ruling is he penalized?

Rule 13-4, which prohibits grounding a club in a hazard.

GreeBo

Mister Sifter wrote: »

Rule 13-4, which prohibits grounding a club in a hazard.

But he wasnt in the hazard, he had already hit is shot onto the green?

Mister Sifter

GreeBo wrote: »

But he wasnt in the hazard, he had already hit is shot onto the green?

I think wires are being crossed. Shawpower was responding to this question: "Out of coursity!!! If he had cleaned his club in the hazard while the ball is still in the hazard...is it 2 shots or 1 shot penalty!!"

The original query had already been cleared up.

shawpower

GreeBo wrote: »

But he wasnt in the hazard, he had already hit is shot onto the green?

That's the OP.

I was answering the question from the quote below

MasterKZG wrote: »

Out of coursity!!! If he had cleaned his club in the hazard while the ball is still in the hazard...is it 2 shots or 1 shot penalty!!

Here's the rule.

13-4. Ball in Hazard; Prohibited Actions
Except as provided in the Rules, before making a stroke at a ball that is in a hazard (whether a bunker or a water hazard) or that, having been lifted from a hazard, may be dropped or placed in the hazard, the player must not:
a. Test the condition of the hazard or any similar hazard;
b. Touch the ground in the hazard or water in the water hazard with
his hand or a club; or
c. Touch or move a loose impediment lying in or touching the hazard.

PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE:
Match play – Loss of hole; Stroke play – Two strokes.

GreeBo

Mister Sifter wrote: »

I think wires are being crossed. Shawpower was responding to this question: "Out of coursity!!! If he had cleaned his club in the hazard while the ball is still in the hazard...is it 2 shots or 1 shot penalty!!"

The original query had already been cleared up.

Right, but what is the rule # for the original query?
I know you cant rake a bunker in anticipation of hitting your ball into it...but dipping a club into a water hazard...?

shawpower

There is no penalty for the original question, so no rule number to quote.

NoelAPM

Sounds like were getting a bit Carried away no?

Surely the Rules are there for shots to be played, not ones that have happened. The Chap hit the Ball and then Washed his club. If it was a penalty i would argue that it be changed!

If only there was more water around to clean my shiny new clubs every time i got them dirty ha.

MasterKZG

Interesting, i was thinking if a player had hit his shot in the water, cleaned his club before he/she made the drop outside the water hazard, is that a penalty ??? And is any difference if he made the drop first and then ground/cleaned his club before hitting the shot. Just want to be sure if there any difference in terms of penalising somebody! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

sound a bit silly but i like to be sure!!!

Jasonw

MasterKZG wrote: »

Interesting, i was thinking if a player had hit his shot in the water, cleaned his club before he/she made the drop outside the water hazard, is that a penalty ??? And is any difference if he made the drop first and then ground/cleaned his club before hitting the shot. Just want to be sure if there any difference in terms of penalising somebody! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

sound a bit silly but i like to be sure!!!

This is exactly why if you visit any golf rules forums they don't accept hypothetical situations. You could spend weeks discussing "what if's"


The answer to your question though is no. See decision 13-4/40

FlutterinBantam

MasterKZG wrote: »

Interesting, i was thinking if a player had hit his shot in the water, cleaned his club before he/she made the drop outside the water hazard, is that a penalty ??? And is any difference if he made the drop first and then ground/cleaned his club before hitting the shot. Just want to be sure if there any difference in terms of penalising somebody! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

sound a bit silly but i like to be sure!!!

Not silly at all

Would suggest that for first example there would be a two shot penno... editing now maybe not, what if the player retrieved his ball from the water with a club??

Once he made the drop first then the ball is in play and my opinion is that no penalty would occur

NoelAPM

I suppose if i was playing a serious game i would make it known that i was taking a penalty drop from the hazard, and not playing it where it lies... If i were going in with my club to fish the ball out, or clean my club.