Phew! At least they'll get some punishment

equivariant

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/30/vatican-paedophile-priests-punishment-catholicism

Looks like there is no need for us to worry about punishing those nasty paedophile clergy as they are going to get it in the afterlife. What a relief!

I'm glad that someone checked in with God about this, as I was getting worried that the church wasn't taking it seriously.

PeterIanStaker

Oh I'm so relieved! For a long time there I was sure the church wasn't going to do anything about it at all.

robindch

equivariant wrote: »

The Guardian

Scicluna added that those who hurt children should be thrown into the sea with a millstone around their neck.

Presumably this doesn't include lying to kids about the conditions required for them to burn in hell.

kiffer

...In the Confessional:

Man: Bless me Father for I have sinned, it has been many years since my last confession... I... I... don't remember how this all works...
Priest: That's ok son... You seem distressed, tell me what is bothering you so...
Man: Father... Oh, Father... I... I... think I might have raped a woman.
Priest: ...
Man: I'm sorry Father... It just happened I don't know what came over me, we'd been drinking a little and were having a row and she was dressed in provocative clothing and I thought, "I'll show her, the slut..." and then I forced my self on her... Now the police are looking for me and everything...
Priest: ... That's very serious indeed...
Man: oh Father I'm so sorry... Please...
Priest: Well son it's not my forgiveness you need but the Lord's and the poor woman's... This is a very serious sin, if you died with it on your soul you could end up in hell...
Man: Please! What must I do?!
Priest: Well my child ... Firstly you need to be really and truely sorry, sorry that you did this horrible thing, not just that reprocussions are coming back to you...
Man: I am, oh I am...
Priest: Good... and then you must say the Lord's payer a hundred times, the Rosary three times a day for the next 5 years... Once as you are normally required to and twice more as penance... And you should go and turn yourself in...
Man: turn myself in? but I...
Priest: You need to do this to show you are truely sorry... You are sorry right? Obviously I can not tell anyone what has happened here in the confessional box... but I urge you, as part of your penance to go and turn yourself in... It'll be better for you, in this life as well as the next.
Man: ... Ok father, I guess you're right... I'll do it.
Priest: do you have any other sins you want to confess? Minor or otherwise...
Man: no... Compared to this... They're so minor...
Priest: but you're sorry for them too right?
Man: yes...
Priest: in that case... Please follow me in the act of contrition...
Man and Priest:
oh my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee, and I detest all my sins, because of Thy just punishments, but most of all because they offend Thee, my God, who art all-good and deserving of all my love. I firmly resolve, with the help of Thy grace, to sin no more and to avoid the near occasions of sin
Priest: ok... Remember your penance?
Man: yes...
Priest: I absolve thee from thy sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen



Priest talking to his confessor,
Priest: ... I... I touched a child...
Confessor: ah no, not again... a[/] child?
Priest: some children...
Confessor: You know the drill...
Priest: I'll pack my bags and say my prayers...
Confessor: good, you'll need them...

checkyabadself

equivariant wrote: »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/30/vatican-paedophile-priests-punishment-catholicism

Looks like there is no need for us to worry about punishing those nasty paedophile clergy as they are going to get it in the afterlife. What a relief!

I'm glad that someone checked in with God about this, as I was getting worried that the church wasn't taking it seriously.

By your logic, I must have perpetrated some terrible crimes in a previous life as I've been punished with Ginger hair in this life.

On a serious note though, it's no wonder that the church take such a dim view of punishing offending priests, if they truly believe in he'll, then it's no wonder they take such a relaxed view of punishment.
That's not to say it's not a warped delusional view, just that it explains in some small part why their useless at following the rule of law as opposed to their "superior" canon laws.

dvpower

checkyabadself wrote: »

On a serious note though, it's no wonder that the church take such a dim view of punishing offending priests, if they truly believe in he'll, then it's no wonder they take such a relaxed view of punishment.

I'd have thought that if offending priests truly believed in hell, they might have avioded the offence in the first place.

checkyabadself

dvpower wrote: »

I'd have thought that if offending priests truly believed in hell, they might have avioded the offence in the first place.

I'm referring to the church, not the offending priests. I think that the offending priests don't believe in heaven he'll or god. They probably just saw the church as easy access to children.

If anyone really really really believed they'd go to a furnace they'd never commit a crime.

Dades

dvpower wrote: »

I'd have thought that if offending priests truly believed in hell, they might have avioded the offence in the first place.

You sound just like the Pope - blaming all the bad stuff on "disbelief"! :pac:

GLaDOS

Surley they can be forgiven though, isn't that how the whole Christianity jazz works?

liamw

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Surley they can be forgiven though, isn't that how the whole Christianity jazz works?

As long as you don't worship another god....

Zillah

checkyabadself wrote: »

I'm referring to the church, not the offending priests. I think that the offending priests don't believe in heaven he'll or god. They probably just saw the church as easy access to children.

If anyone really really really believed they'd go to a furnace they'd never commit a crime.

I'd say it's more complicated than that. Granted there probably are a few who just outright don't believe, but I'd say the majority went through some mental gymnastics to excuse it: "I'm weak but I'll do better", "I'm not really hurting them" etc.

MrPudding

liamw wrote: »

As long as you don't worship another god....

I am pretty sure worshipping another / false god is a recoverable error. Denying the holy spirit is the unforgivable ticket to hell sin.

I would love to know what exactly was going through there minds to rationalise the raping of children. I doubt they were all unbelievers. It was probably something scary like child rape is not against canon law and is also forgiveable so I'll just crack on and say a few extra hail marys and maybe an extra our father.

The lack of response from the church likely reinforced the idea that the behaviour was "ok."

Clearly the clergy and the church in general do not think the same way as us godless, amoral, immoral evil god deniers. The more I read about the child abuse and the more I hear about the church in general the more I think they are form a different planet.

MrP

liamw

Zillah wrote: »

I'd say it's more complicated than that. Granted there probably are a few who just outright don't believe, but I'd say the majority went through some mental gymnastics to excuse it: "I'm weak but I'll do better", "I'm not really hurting them" etc.

I'd go as far as saying that I think very very few people actually believe that the christian god exists. Imagine everyone in this country was given an ultimatum, if you get it wrong you die. "Does Yahweh exist?" I reckon you would be looking at <1% saying Yes. That's what I think.*

* After 90% ask who yahweh is

aidan24326

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Surley they can be forgiven though, isn't that how the whole Christianity jazz works?

Yep. They can repent on their deathbed and then it's all hunky dory again.

aidan24326

liamw wrote: »

I'd go as far as saying that I think very very few people actually believe that the christian god exists. Imagine everyone in this country was given an ultimatum, if you get it wrong you die. "Does Yahweh exist?" I reckon you would be looking at <1% saying Yes. That's what I think.*

* After 90% ask who yahweh is

It would certainly be interesting to see how many self-proclaimed believers would truly have the courage of their convictions. I'm inclined to agree with you, only a real hardcore believer would actually answer yes. The majority, the a-la-carte christians, would be exposed for what they are.

Xluna

robindch wrote: »

Presumably this doesn't include lying to kids about the conditions required for them to burn in hell.

Exactly. I wonder how far behind being constantly told you're an abomination and will burn in hell for eternity for being lgbt have on someone compared to being raped in terms of psychological trauma for a young person. It's all child abuse.

PeterIanStaker

Ah sure it'll all be grand. Ratsy is being "forgiven" by the sky fairy.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0611/abuse.html



such sanctimoanious bullsh!t. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Dades

Pope Benedict has begged forgiveness from God and victims of child sexual abuse by priests.

I still find it bizarre that people, even the Pope, actually believe that there is someone listening to them when they kneel down and pray.

In particular people who have really thought about it. How do they still believe it?

Galvasean

Look at it this way Dades, if one billion people thought you had a direct line to God and were willing to follow your commands and keep you rich based on this would you tell them it wasn't true?

goose2005

Dades wrote: »

You sound just like the Pope - blaming all the bad stuff on "disbelief"! :pac:

And liberalism. Kids these days with their smooth-jazz and moving pictures and Pokeymen.