cistern issues

John Mason

i hope someone can help me, about a week ago the cistern on the toilet started to take about 2 hours to refill - not good when you are having a party

anyway, is there any chance i could fix it myself?

it is one of those with a push button on the top of cistern. i was wondering could it be a build up of limescale?

i had a look and the water is just dripping out

thanks

Joey the lips

Has it always been like this.

Are you using bloo loo in the cistern or equiv


It sounds like the inlet has become clogged if this has only started. That or poor water pressure has developed.

DublinDilbert

Yea sounds like something has got stuck in the inlet/ball cock. Probably something that has got washed down from the main tank, like a little piece of debris.

If you can knock off the water going to the toilet, you should be able to strip down the valve and free it up. Worst case replace the inlet valve, shouldn't cost more than €10 from the wholesalers.

Joey the lips

DublinDilbert wrote: »

Yea sounds like something has got stuck in the inlet/ball cock. Probably something that has got washed down from the main tank, like a little piece of debris.

If you can knock off the water going to the toilet, you should be able to strip down the valve and free it up. Worst case replace the inlet valve, shouldn't cost more than €10 from the wholesalers.

exactly... plus fitting...

dunsandin

Take off the lid of the cistern, you may have to fiddle to disconnest the push button linkage/may not. The ball valve(arm with float on end) raises and falls with the water level. Follow the arm back to where it connects to the inlet. There should be a round plastic screw cap just behind the arm, unscrew it and note the position and order of what comes out. Clean all, and replace in reverse order. Should not need new parts, just a good clean out.

Joey the lips

dunsandin wrote: »

Take off the lid of the cistern, you may have to fiddle to disconnest the push button linkage/may not. The ball valve(arm with float on end) raises and falls with the water level. Follow the arm back to where it connects to the inlet. There should be a round plastic screw cap just behind the arm, unscrew it and note the position and order of what comes out. Clean all, and replace in reverse order. Should not need new parts, just a good clean out.

The new push button cistern generall does not use balls. This is why its confusing to old school DIYERS . It uses something that looks like a weighted head.

But as said I imagine its just dirt or a dreaded blu loo clogging the inlet...

John Mason

thanks guys, joey is right no ball cock, i am at a loss at how this new thingy works

dont use that blu stuff - i hate it.

am going to take it apart now and see if i can see anything

thanks, will let you know how i get on

John Mason

okay - have a problem, turned off the water and unscrewed a plastic valve thingy.

the water wasnt turned off, apparently the stopcock is for the kitchen only - have no idea where the stopcock for the bathroom is - which is handy seeing as they are right next to each other

anyway, water came gushing out when i took the value off, had a look at what i had taken off and it is a rubber thing with a plastic thingy which looks like a plastic juicer.

the water appears to come out of this tube and into the juicer and squirts out a little hole. covering this little hold is an arm, if you push this in the water stops coming out. is this the new fangled ballcock?
anyway, the water is still coming out slowing, i am now scared that i broke it and it wont stop filling - the last time that happened, i have to get the whole system bled

any advice ??

yoshytoshy

When you look into your toilet bowl ,is it filling slowly while the cistern is filling ?

Andrew33

Joey the lips wrote: »

Has it always been like this.

Are you using bloo loo in the cistern or equiv


It sounds like the inlet has become clogged if this has only started. That or poor water pressure has developed.

I don't know a huge amount about plumbing but why would Bloo Loo or similar affect the inflow of water? Its only introduced to the water AFTER the water has entered the cistern.

John Mason

okay, i think i fixed it

i had the arm in the wrong position. the water is stopping when it fills to the mark and i think that it is filling quicker.

will wait and see tomorrow and then decide whether to get a plumber out.

thanks for the help:)

dunsandin

Gosh Joey, thanks for filling in a poor DIYer like me, I must have got blue loo in my head to think I'd know what I was talking about. Im off to ring my customers to tell them that I've been spoofing all along, I do hope all those dozens and dozens of toilets we have installed and repaired in companies the length and breath of Ireland are not all fecked up. I installed 14 push button ones alone in one 4.5million appt overlooking the pier in dun-laoghaire, he's the first I'm gonna ring, i'm gonna tell him Joey said I know nothing, and give him back his money. Thanks for putting me straight, who knows what could have happened if I'd carried on wreaking havoc across the land. Jaysus, we installed 3 urinals and 8 w-c's last week, with all new sewer connections, im gonna have to go back and check everything now. They're probably full of sh1te.

yoshytoshy

dunsandin wrote: »

Gosh Joey, thanks for filling in a poor DIYer like me, I must have got blue loo in my head to think I'd know what I was talking about. Im off to ring my customers to tell them that I've been spoofing all along, I do hope all those dozens and dozens of toilets we have installed and repaired in companies the length and breath of Ireland are not all fecked up. I installed 14 push button ones alone in one 4.5million appt overlooking the pier in dun-laoghaire, he's the first I'm gonna ring, i'm gonna tell him Joey said I know nothing, and give him back his money. Thanks for putting me straight, who knows what could have happened if I'd carried on wreaking havoc across the land. Jaysus, we installed 3 urinals and 8 w-c's last week, with all new sewer connections, im gonna have to go back and check everything now. They're probably full of sh1te.

What the hell ?

Joey is a genuine poster here . I didn't get a chance to post on this topic ,but if it was me I'd have suggested to check if the cistern was a non-syphon type.
The non-syphon type can pass and take ages to fill ,even when they fill they still pass a certain amount of water.

FYI ,I've done jobs from aylesbury road to sheriff street and I don't see the point in telling people about it.

Everyone is entitled to their comfort.

John Mason

dunsandin wrote: »

Gosh Joey, thanks for filling in a poor DIYer like me, I must have got blue loo in my head to think I'd know what I was talking about. Im off to ring my customers to tell them that I've been spoofing all along, I do hope all those dozens and dozens of toilets we have installed and repaired in companies the length and breath of Ireland are not all fecked up. I installed 14 push button ones alone in one 4.5million appt overlooking the pier in dun-laoghaire, he's the first I'm gonna ring, i'm gonna tell him Joey said I know nothing, and give him back his money. Thanks for putting me straight, who knows what could have happened if I'd carried on wreaking havoc across the land. Jaysus, we installed 3 urinals and 8 w-c's last week, with all new sewer connections, im gonna have to go back and check everything now. They're probably full of sh1te.

jaysis, thats a bit OTT :eek:

we are all here to help each other out no need for rivalry.

tbh i was a bit confused too, but its all sorted out now

friends:):)

dunsandin

Joey the lips wrote: »

The new push button cistern generall does not use balls. This is why its confusing to old school DIYERS . It uses something that looks like a weighted head.

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OTT? Yeah Right. My LAST job was siteboss, now im just boss. Joey likes pushing my buttons. He's just a bit more subtle than me. Never really liked the subtle types.... Or maybe I'm taking you up all wrong Joey? If I post, I'm trying to help. By day I get paid to do it. If I'm tired after a hard days work and get a detail wrong, I don't expect to be called a DIYER, Ive gone to plenty of peoples houses free, as some on here can attest, to help them out with a problem, and I get paid to advise companies on their building issues, I hire plumbers, im not a plumber, but I know what Im talking about and I think If you want to be smart, I'll be smart right back.
Face to face, people are generally really nice with me.

John Mason

dunsandin wrote: »

OTT? Yeah Right. My LAST job was siteboss, now im just boss. Joey likes pushing my buttons. He's just a bit more subtle than me. Never really liked the subtle types.... Or maybe I'm taking you up all wrong Joey? If I post, I'm trying to help. By day I get paid to do it. If I'm tired after a hard days work and get a detail wrong, I don't expect to be called a DIYER, Ive gone to plenty of peoples houses free, as some on here can attest, to help them out with a problem, and I get paid to advise companies on their building issues, I hire plumbers, im not a plumber, but I know what Im talking about and I think If you want to be smart, I'll be smart right back.
Face to face, people are generally really nice with me.

you do know i am an old school DIY'er, as are most people here. hand me an old fashioned cistern - no problems but these new fangled things are a nightmare. no one was getting at you

Micky Dolenz

dunsandin wrote: »

OTT? Yeah Right. My LAST job was siteboss, now im just boss. Joey likes pushing my buttons. He's just a bit more subtle than me. Never really liked the subtle types.... Or maybe I'm taking you up all wrong Joey? If I post, I'm trying to help. By day I get paid to do it. If I'm tired after a hard days work and get a detail wrong, I don't expect to be called a DIYER, Ive gone to plenty of peoples houses free, as some on here can attest, to help them out with a problem, and I get paid to advise companies on their building issues, I hire plumbers, im not a plumber, but I know what Im talking about and I think If you want to be smart, I'll be smart right back.
Face to face, people are generally really nice with me.

Well you won't be getting smart in this forum. Take this as a friendly warning, change your tone or don't post in our forum.

We have very helpfull and knowledgeble posters here, If you can't be part of that, don't be.

One more rant and you won't be welcome here.

Joey the lips

I have been clearly taken up wrong... My point was simple. The new top flush mechanism tends to be very confusing to old school because there is no ball in it. The poster confirmed my thoughts. This is usually where people get confused. I simply corrected you as its a point that I can think of a lot of brands that no longer use ball cocks, even the council no longer require there use...

I will not be defending myself and i most certainly was not attacking anyone.. My advice is impartial, free and at the discrection of the user...

dunsandin

Happy days.