FG lose more ground in latest poll

Taxipete29

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/poll-ff-and-sf-make-gains-as-labour-lose-ground-459654.html

Labour have dropped back to 3rd after losing 2 points, but this is just following previous trends so not unexpected.

FG however are really coming back to the pack as the months roll on. At this rate if the Govt hang on till 2012 FF might just slip back in. When are the blueshirts gonna realise that Enda is holding them back..

Also interesting to see Sinn Fein gain 4 points.

Liam Byrne

I've been trying to ignore this poll since I heard about it earlier today........between FF passing out Labour and F gaining ground, it might be time to start contemplating where I should emigrate to, because there's obviously a massive subset of society that want something completely different to me.

Wolfe Tone

These polls mean nothing at all. I'm telling ya, FF will win the next election.
Interesting to see SF make a gain, am expecting them to have a major say in the 26 counties over the course of the next decade.

Victor

Strictly speaking, swings of up to 6% can be ignored as the typical margin of error of these polls is plus/minus 3% with a 95% certainty. So when party A is said to be on 26%, they could actually be on anything, but we are 95% certain it is between 23 and 29%. If party B is on 20%, they could be on anything from 17-23%, that is, they could be on par with party A.

More pragmatically swings of up to 3% can be ignored, unless there is a trend behind them.

dlofnep

Nice to see Sinn Féin gain 4 points. Not so nice however to see Fianna Fáil gain, if only a point.

Lockstep

I'd say those numbers are roughly what they are on.
FG on 35% seemed overly high, as did Labour ahead of Fianna Fáil and SF on 6%.

Taxipete29

Victor wrote: »

Strictly speaking, swings of up to 6% can be ignored as the typical margin of error of these polls is plus/minus 3% with a 95% certainty. So when party A is said to be on 26%, they could actually be on anything, but we are 95% certain it is between 23 and 29%. If party B is on 20%, they could be on anything from 17-23%, that is, they could be on par with party A.

More pragmatically swings of up to 3% can be ignored, unless there is a trend behind them.

Well when your numbers have been slowly coming down for the last 3 months its time to stop talking about margins of error and start talking about worrying trends.

Flex

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I've been trying to ignore this poll since I heard about it earlier today........between FF passing out Labour and F gaining ground, it might be time to start contemplating where I should emigrate to, because there's obviously a massive subset of society that want something completely different to me.

I would vote for FG in the next general election in the hope they would form a majority government alone (and thats still what Im hoping for), however due to the Labour partys 'policies' (particularly their motion to restore the PS pay cuts and the fact they regard tax raises as cut backs, etc.) I absolutely do not want to have any thing to do with Labour having any place in government. Unfortunately FG are very closely wed to Labour. This is really putting me off voting for FG and Ive emailed my local FG TD (Leo Varadkar) letting him know this.

At the moment FF are actually taking steps to correct the economys mess (I know they caused it), so if by the next GE the Labour party are still talking non-sense and FG havent taken a strong stand on issues relating to a possible coalition with Labour, then I will vote for FF. Id rather FG govern alone, but I wont help put Labour into government just to get rid of FF since its my opinion theyll make the economy even worse off (effectively cutting my nose off to spite my face). I read it on this forum before and completely agreed with it "Labour are doing more to get Fianna Fáil re-elected than anyone else at the moment".

Wolfe Tone

^^^^^
Well said. FG need to get rid of Kenny AND Labour.

Liam Byrne

Flex wrote: »

I absolutely do not want to have any thing to do with Labour having any place in government. Unfortunately FG are very closely wed to Labour. This is really putting me off

OK, I can understand all that.

But I'd dispute the claim that FF are taking steps to correct the economy, and the fact that they caused the mess and made it worse by a ridiculous guarantee for Anglo would, to me, be far, far more objectionable than anything Labour could come up with.

Flex wrote: »

I wont help put Labour into government just to get rid of FF since its my opinion theyll make the economy even worse off (effectively cutting my nose off to spite my face). I read it on this forum before and completely agreed with it "Labour are doing more to get Fianna Fáil re-elected than anyone else at the moment".

I don't think it's possible to make it worse, but I would share some of your worries in relation to the unions; that's why I'd hate to see Labour in on their own, despite Gilmore's strong stance on corruption.

But surely a combination of FG and Labour would be more balanced, and far more acceptable than letting FF anywhere near power again ?

P.S. I left out an "S" in the second party reference above.....it should have read "between FF passing out Labour and SF gaining ground, it might be time to start contemplating where I should emigrate to"

BluntGuy

Flex wrote: »

At the moment FF are actually taking steps to correct the economys mess (I know they caused it), so if by the next GE the Labour party are still talking non-sense and FG havent taken a strong stand on issues relating to a possible coalition with Labour, then I will vote for FF.

FF haven't announced an economic rescue package yet. They've taken on a bunch a bad debts and injected some capital into some banks, now what? The economy won't just fix itself. Where's the targetted investment package? Where's the job creations package? Where is anything?

They have no ideas. No imagination. And while I hardly think FG and Labour are attractive alternatives, they are alternatives none-the-less. We need to give them a chance.

Joan Burton actually talks a lot of sense if you listen to her. To write off everything the Labour party says as "nonsense" means that you clearly haven't listened to what they have to say.

Colonel Sanders

BluntGuy wrote: »

FF haven't announced an economic rescue package yet. They've taken on a bunch a bad debts and injected some capital into some banks, now what? The economy won't just fix itself. Where's the targetted investment package? Where's the job creations package? Where is anything?

They have no ideas. No imagination. And while I hardly think FG and Labour are attractive alternatives, they are alternatives none-the-less. We need to give them a chance.

Joan Burton actually talks a lot of sense if you listen to her. To write off everything the Labour party says as "nonsense" means that you clearly haven't listened to what they have to say.

I pretty much agree fully with this

FG have some decent policies and while some may be difficult to implement in practice I cannot think of one single policy FF have to offer

Mr.Micro

Its the start of summer so any gain for FF in this poll is optimism that is short and sweet like our summers. If any voter can seriously put faith in FF after the disaster it created and continues to maintain...then there is little hope for the nation. It is only in the years to come that the true horror of the FF led government's tenure will be felt, national debt and more debt and failing infrastructure. Added to this the woes of the Euro and nobody knows where it is going or will it even survive. At the minute the nation lives from week to week, waiting for other countries to lift us out of it. FF/GP have no plan for the country other than to keep themselves in power and hope that they will get re-elected in 2 years. I seriously hope not.

trapsagenius

Whatever about FF's management of the economy, they should be removed from office after the next GE for the simple reason that by 2012 they will have been in power for too long.15 years of rule is not healthy.

FG's decline is not surprising-under Kenny they are rudderless.I also thought that that silly game they released was pathetic.Just so, so childish.I still can't believe they went for it.

Labour have managed to hold on to most of their gains which is a good thing.

maynooth_rules

While I agree 100% that the time has probably come for Fine Gael to get rid of Kenny, I dont think it will make much of a difference. So many of those that give their support to FF will not change no matter what they do. It is engrained into them because of family and such, very very depressing and says a lot about us as a nation but thats the way it is. An example of this is to look at some of the comments of the OP in the 'staunch Fianna Fail' thread

copacetic

Taxipete29 wrote: »

Well when your numbers have been slowly coming down for the last 3 months its time to stop talking about margins of error and start talking about worrying trends.

It's not really, the changes nearly all fall within the margin of error in each poll. i.e the polls haven't changed at all when you allow for the error.

Taxipete29

copacetic wrote: »

It's not really, the changes nearly all fall within the margin of error in each poll. i.e the polls haven't changed at all when you allow for the error.

Or if your not an eternal optimist they could of fallen even further. Margin of error works both ways

hallelujajordan

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

I pretty much agree fully with this

FG have some decent policies and while some may be difficult to implement in practice I cannot think of one single policy FF have to offer

Such nonsense . . You might not agree with FF policies but don't be so silly as to deny their existence. The attached programme for government sets them out in greater detail . .

Taxipete29 wrote: »

Or if your not an eternal optimist they could of fallen even further. Margin of error works both ways

Indeed it does and based on a 3% margin of error one could report that FF and FG are actually level pegging at 27% . . .

On a serious note, these small movements are really not that important but I think two things are becoming more and more evident in the polls . .

1. Under the current leadership Fine Gael have no chance of winning an overall majority at the next election. As time goes on they are moving further away from the possibility when (based on current economic circumstances) they should be going in the other direction.
2. The electorate are beginning to move away from accepting a FG/LAB coalition. Not surprising since FG/LAB refuse to work together in opposition, the electorate are beginning to realise that they will be equally unable to work together in government
   

Liam Byrne

hallelujajordan wrote: »

Such nonsense . . You might not agree with FF policies but don't be so silly as to deny their existence. The attached programme for government sets them out in greater detail . .

Why is it called "renewed programme for government" ?

If you "renew" your insurance, it's the same insurance that you got / were promised before.

They can't even be honest when titling their "Revised (Downwards) Programme for Government" ?

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Pride Fighter

All 3 main parties within 8%. Good poll for Labour, holding onto its gains. Bad poll for FG. They need a new leader, Kenny is too inept, always tows on eggshells so not to offend people. Varadkar is the man for the job. He is what FG is all about. Right wing, anti-immigration, pro-big business, pro- UK Conservative party, anti- working class. With Varadkar at the helm they would lose even more support, which can only be a good thing for Ireland.

nacho libre

Well Liam Byrne get ready to pack your bags because in six -nine months i expect FF will be ever closer to FG in poll ratings. We will be hearing how FF acted as the father to the nation with it's tough love. We will hear how they put principle before popularity for the greater good. We'll also be told that had FG been in power along with Labour the recovery would not have happened. FF were the party to lead us into the recession and the party to take us out of it. It will not surprise me at all if in 2012 FF are re-elected. The fact we are now seeing comments to the effect that FF were a disaster but the prospect of Labour in power will force me to vote for the devil i know says it all. Such views are going to become more prevalent from now on.

Liam Byrne

nacho libre wrote: »

Well Liam Byrne get ready to pack your bags .

I haven't given up on Irish people's sense of ethics and fairness yet! And thankfully I did spot the despair in your post, so I know you're not "doing a Bertie" on me!

And I'm not surprised that donegalfella is considering voting for FF; as a speculator it probably gives him loads of chances to make more money!

The statement about social welfare this week is welcome, and YEARS overdue.......it should have been done during the short-lived "boom" so that we had some savings. One honest statement in years (see "Anglo will only cost us XXX", "we didn't contribute to the crash", "no one saw it coming", "we've turned a corner", etc......one honest statement and we're expected to be relieved and suddenly start voting for him again ???? :eek: )

And while it is correct, it is morally reprehensible for a party that has members and TDs claiming ****loads of unnecessary expenses telling people that they shouldn't claim ones that they don't need and that we can't afford them.

Imagine John O'Donoghue telling that to a constituent!!!!! I'd laugh in the weasel's face if he had to tell me that!

That is the problem with FF - they have no ethical or moral authority because of what they condone for themselves and their mates.

Hopefully enough of the country will have the cop-on to get them out, and if not - while I'd miss living here - I will have no interest in living in or supporting a country that repeatedly rewards corruption.

dlofnep

And Fine Gael TD's have not had unnecessary expenses?

Liam Byrne

dlofnep wrote: »

And Fine Gael TD's have not had unnecessary expenses?

That's not the point.

Remind me again which party is in government; i.e. which party (a) makes the rules on expenses and (b) made this change to social welfare ?

FF & Greens have power, at least for the moment.....let them use it for some open, transparent and ethical good for a change!

FG didn't make this admittedly long-overdue change, and they're not going to have to be the ones to "sell" it to people who are sick to death of hearing about bankers being paid millions and politicians being paid unvouched expenses and "dig outs" (still no sign of that weasel's fate, either).

So the example that FF have set is (a) do as little as you can get away with (b) claim whatever you can, no matter how dubious (c) take backhanders and nixers whenever you can (d) bail out your mates ahead of everyone else, and (e) deny all responsibility

And to be honest they're managing to pass on that example to the social welfare generation really, really well......Harry Chapin's "Cat's in the Cradle" springs to mind......

dlofnep

Do you believe that FG would not have made Welfare changes?

PomBear

The only thing i find interesting about this poll is that people still follow and rely on them. I'm an SF supporter and kinda thing its a bit strange how a party loses 40% of it's supports one month and gains it back in another, even though not doing anything extraordinary.

Taxipete29

hallelujajordan wrote: »

On a serious note, these small movements are really not that important but I think two things are becoming more and more evident in the polls . .

1. Under the current leadership Fine Gael have no chance of winning an overall majority at the next election. As time goes on they are moving further away from the possibility when (based on current economic circumstances) they should be going in the other direction.
2. The electorate are beginning to move away from accepting a FG/LAB coalition. Not surprising since FG/LAB refuse to work together in opposition, the electorate are beginning to realise that they will be equally unable to work together in government
   

The last time Labour made a pre-election pact with FG it didnt work for them. They made no gains while FG were the only winners.

If FG and Labour are working together in opposition then surely all labour members should just join FG and be done with it :rolleyes:

Labour intend to contest the next election as an individual party. They intend to present the people with an alternative to a FF or FG led Govt. It does not matter if you dont agree with their politics or think they are living in fantasy land, thats whats going to happen.

If Labour were in favour of swathing cuts in PS wages and in favour of privatising natinal assests that would probably gain them alot of votes but they would no longer represent the beliefs they were founded on. Labour are who they are, asking them to change their philosphy is looking for more of what you already have.

Dont like Labour?? Dont vote for them. Its simple. But I wish so called intelligent people would stop preaching speculation as fact. You dont know what Labour would of done if they were in Govt, you dont know what FG would of done if they were in Govt. All you have are 3 year old election manifestos which are worth as much as the ones FF and the Greens published.

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irishh_bob

Pride Fighter wrote: »

All 3 main parties within 8%. Good poll for Labour, holding onto its gains. Bad poll for FG. They need a new leader, Kenny is too inept, always tows on eggshells so not to offend people. Varadkar is the man for the job. He is what FG is all about. Right wing, anti-immigration, pro-big business, pro- UK Conservative party, anti- working class. With Varadkar at the helm they would lose even more support, which can only be a good thing for Ireland.

on the contary , leo varadkar would help fine gael rediscover thier true conservative soul , thier is a sleeping giant of voters out there ( private sector working and unemployed former private sector ) for whoom the state does nothing but demand more , theese people have no voice all to themselves , the public sector have labour all the time and fianna fail most of the time , the wellfare class have all the parties on the left plus most of the media aswell as fianna fail when the times are good , i dont know who it was by but i read an article recently which argued that their was nothing for fine gael in placating the public sector as they would inevitabley end up voting for either labour or fianna fail , under kenny , fine gael have tried to stay onside with everyone and ended up impressing and inspiring no one , core voters insist that they are currently over 30 % in the polls and that this is a huge gain , in reality , such is the unprecedented economic situation the country finds itself in and such is the unprecedented drop in support and disatisfaction with fianna fail , they should be north of 40% and on course for a ( uk ) new labour like victory in 1997 , instead we could be heading for something more like ( uk ) 1992 where the sitting goverment stumbles to a victory despite its unpopularity and because of the failure of the opposition leader to win over the hearts and minds of the electorate

fine gael must replace kenny , in a time of crisis , thier is no place for a middle of the road centrist moderete , labour have shifted sharply to the left since gilmore took over and saw a surge in support , time for fine gael to do the same and install a proper conservative leader , the country demands it

Taxipete29

donegalfella wrote: »

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I am not in favour of restoring paycuts. Many Labour members arent. This is why you have still yet to see a Labour TD part of a campaign to restore pay.

Ruairi Quinn said on RTE he was in favour of the Croke Park Deal. This in no way guarantees restoration of pay.

One motion at congress, submitted by a branch and probably blindly voted through( as many motions are) does not make it ACTIVE party policy.

If you can show me a Labour policy document that guarantees PS workers resotration of their pay cuts and continued prosperity despite the country being on its knees I will agree with you, but until then.

Taxipete29

irishh_bob wrote: »

on the contary , leo varadkar would help fine gael rediscover thier true conservative soul , thier is a sleeping giant of voters out there ( private sector working and unemployed former private sector ) for whoom the state does nothing but demand more , theese people have no voice all to themselves , the public sector have labour all the time and fianna fail most of the time , the wellfare class have all the parties on the left plus most of the media aswell as fianna fail when the times are good , i dont know who it was by but i read an article recently which argued that their was nothing for fine gael in placating the public sector as they would inevitabley end up voting for either labour or fianna fail , under kenny , fine gael have tried to stay onside with everyone and ended up impressing and inspiring no one , core voters insist that they are currently over 30 % in the polls and that this is a huge gain , in reality , such is the unprecedented economic situation the country finds itself in and such is the unprecedented drop in support and disatisfaction with fianna fail , they should be north of 40% and on course for a ( uk ) new labour like victory in 1997 , instead we could be heading for something more like ( uk ) 1992 where the sitting goverment stumbles to a victory despite its unpopularity and because of the failure of the opposition leader to win over the hearts and minds of the electorate

fine gael must replace kenny , in a time of crisis , thier is no place for a middle of the road centrist moderete , labour have shifted sharply to the left since gilmore took over and saw a surge in support , time for fine gael to do the same and install a proper conservative leader , the country demands it

Varadkar?? The man who is in favour of NAMA for the little guy, who quite famously wanted to move his own apt into NAMA. Yes he is a true conservative alright. Another FG populist

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Taxipete29

donegalfella wrote: »

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Seriously, I addressed the motion at conference and the Gilmore quote is from before the budget. He said he was opposed to cuts, he never said he was in favour of reversing cuts.

Also not one of those links is to a policy document

maynooth_rules

or at least suspended for the time being while the country tries to get out of this economic disaster. The state is spending €2.5 billion this year on childrens benefit. Why? Surely if you decide to have a child, it is up to you to look after it and insure that you have the correct income to look after that child. Why should a portion of my tax go to someone who decides to have a child:rolleyes: This seems an extreme expense that is not essential. Perhaps rather than scraping it, a portion of it, perhaps 1 billion, could be put into a system where every school going child gets their uniform, shoes and school books paid for each year.
Am i alone in this thinking just out of interest??

dlofnep

Great idea - Remove child benefit. That's really going to help this country. :rolleyes: Are you in favour of children living in poverty, and lacking sufficient food, heating and housing?

maynooth_rules

dlofnep wrote: »

Great idea - Remove child benefit. That's really going to help this country. :rolleyes: Are you in favour of children living in poverty, and lacking sufficient food, heating and housing?

yes, 2.5 billion will really help the country. As I said, if a parent cannot afford to cloth or feed their child, then they are not fit to be parents. It is not up to other people to insure you have money to feed and cloth your child. And I know this might be a tad controversial, but many parents do not spend their child benefit on the child. I just think it is a bad system where the governement pays a set amount to the parents of every child in the land. And i fully accept that most people will disagree with me here

Taxipete29

maynooth_rules wrote: »

yes, 2.5 billion will really help the country. As I said, if a parent cannot afford to cloth or feed their child, then they are not fit to be parents. It is not up to other people to insure you have money to feed and cloth your child. And I know this might be a tad controversial, but many parents do not spend their child benefit on the child. I just think it is a bad system where the governement pays a set amount to the parents of every child in the land. And i fully accept that most people will disagree with me here

Most countries pay some sort of child benefit but thats not really the point. To say the money is not spent on the child is rubbish. If parents are feeding, clothing, educating children I guarantee you the money is spent on the child.
If your that against it why dont you get your parents to give back all the money they got for you over the years or would that eat into your inheritance??

I dont think everyone should get child benefit, but until they find a way of means testing people that doesnt cost as much as it saves......

thebman

Child benefit exists to encourage people to have children. They pay for the state pensions of the future and are the Irish economy of the future.

However, its costs have to kept in check like everything else and we should ensure they are not getting out of control or we'll have to look at ways of reducing the number of people eligible or cutting the amounts received.

At the end of the day if we are paying out huge amounts in Child Benefit, it is most likely because there are a lot of kids around and if thats the case then we shouldn't have a problem in the future with a declining population and can look at lowering the benefits and investing the money in better educational services for the children.

dlofnep

maynooth_rules wrote: »

yes, 2.5 billion will really help the country. As I said, if a parent cannot afford to cloth or feed their child, then they are not fit to be parents. It is not up to other people to insure you have money to feed and cloth your child. And I know this might be a tad controversial, but many parents do not spend their child benefit on the child. I just think it is a bad system where the governement pays a set amount to the parents of every child in the land. And i fully accept that most people will disagree with me here

Understatement of the year.

Victor

PomBear wrote: »

The only thing i find interesting about this poll is that people still follow and rely on them. I'm an SF supporter and kinda thing its a bit strange how a party loses 40% of it's supports one month and gains it back in another, even though not doing anything extraordinary.

Read my post (#4) at the start of the thread. The previous poll suggested support of 3-9%. This poll suggests support of 7-13%. Its quite possible there has been some change and that by chance this time happened to pick more SF voters and last time picked less.

irishh_bob wrote: »

fine gael must replace kenny , in a time of crisis , thier is no place for a middle of the road centrist moderete , labour have shifted sharply to the left since gilmore took over and saw a surge in support , time for fine gael to do the same and install a proper conservative leader , the country demands it

Taking such a course is fraught with difficulty. Winning an election means taking the middle ground. If you swing too far in one direction, you lose that middle ground and the election.

dlofnep

How many people are polled, does anyone know? And what cities are they polled in?

Victor

dlofnep wrote: »

How many people are polled, does anyone know? And what cities are they polled in?

Typically 1,000 give or take. They should be selected at random. There may be a need to adjust for demographic profile, location, etc. if the sample is too skewed. There may also be a need to make a structural adjustment to account for groups less likely (FG) / more likely to vote (FG).

slippy wicket

As one of the people who are regularly polled by redC I have to say that their methods leave a lot to be desired.
Usually there is a single party choice question, with at least 10 - 15 minutes of commercial polling added on, and if you do not finish the full poll nothing is counted. I am a FG member, and i try to do the whole thing but sometimes i just cant take it.

Also, it being subcontracted to foreign call centres who do not take the time to even get phonetic pronunciation of the parties names.:(

hallelujajordan

Taxipete29 wrote: »

The last time Labour made a pre-election pact with FG it didnt work for them. They made no gains while FG were the only winners.

If FG and Labour are working together in opposition then surely all labour members should just join FG and be done with it :rolleyes:

Labour intend to contest the next election as an individual party. They intend to present the people with an alternative to a FF or FG led Govt. It does not matter if you dont agree with their politics or think they are living in fantasy land, thats whats going to happen.

The fact that they failed to make it work in the past does not indicate that it was the wrong thing to do. Our PR system favours pre-election pacts and if Labour and Fine Gael could truly work together (as they will have to do when they are eventually in government) they would wipe the floor at the next general election. But FG don't have a leader who is capable of managing such a partnership and Labour have a leader who's ego is too big to accept that he has no chance of winning an overall majority. .

Dont like Labour?? Dont vote for them. Its simple. But I wish so called intelligent people would stop preaching speculation as fact. You dont know what Labour would of done if they were in Govt, you dont know what FG would of done if they were in Govt. All you have are 3 year old election manifestos which are worth as much as the ones FF and the Greens published.

I won't . . but, to be fair, its pretty informed speculation . . we have a reasonably strong idea of what a Labour / FG coalition would be doing right now if they were in government.

Taxipete29

hallelujajordan wrote: »

The fact that they failed to make it work in the past does not indicate that it was the wrong thing to do. Our PR system favours pre-election pacts and if Labour and Fine Gael could truly work together (as they will have to do when they are eventually in government) they would wipe the floor at the next general election. But FG don't have a leader who is capable of managing such a partnership and Labour have a leader who's ego is too big to accept that he has no chance of winning an overall majority. .

I won't . . but, to be fair, its pretty informed speculation . . we have a reasonably strong idea of what a Labour / FG coalition would be doing right now if they were in government.

Labour wont win an overall majority, but John Bruton led this country with 45 FG TDs, so Eamon Gilmore is more realistic than you might think.

From many of the comments i have seen on this forum its anything but informed. Some posters believe that Labour all want to reverse the pay cuts when not one TD has come out and said so. Motions at congress do not a policy make

Ulysses Gaze

Talking about cutting child payments, single parent allowances.

Here's a mad idea.

We spend 13 billion a year on QUANGO'S. Why not just slice that in half. We'd save 6.5 billion.


Why haven't Fianna 'making the hard decisions' Fail done that?

thebman

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Talking about cutting child payments, single parent allowances.

Here's a mad idea.

We spend 13 billion a year on QUANGO'S. Why not just slice that in half. We'd save 6.5 billion.


Why haven't Fianna 'making the hard decisions' Fail done that?

They are many politically appointed people to those quangos. That is why getting FF out of power is so important to our economic recovery.

Liam Byrne

hallelujajordan wrote: »

we have a reasonably strong idea of what a Labour / FG coalition would be doing right now if they were in government.

And we know exactly what FF are doing (and not doing) which is why we need FG & Labour in!

Victor

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Here's a mad idea.

We spend 13 billion a year on QUANGO'S. Why not just slice that in half. We'd save 6.5 billion.

Here's a madder idea. How about we cut them all?

Or actually come up with mature ideas as to what shouldn't or shouldn't be cut.

bijapos

Victor wrote: »

Or actually come up with mature ideas as to what shouldn't or shouldn't be cut.

McCarthy Report made suggestions on this, very little been done so far. Some are necessary, a lot have descended into offering jobs for friends and supporters of all political parties. Celia Larkin being a prime example.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/war-on-quangos-saves-just-5pc-of-bord-snip-target-2102880.html