MacOS snow leopard

captain_boycott

Need to buy a copy of MacOS Snow Leopard, upgrade edition. Can't wiat for online purchase to arrive... where's the best place to pick up a copy in Dublin?

Sad Professor

Either CompuB on Grafton Street, or Bang & Olufsen on Bachelors Walk (also one in Donnybrook).

Dublin_Gunner

captain_boycott wrote: »

Need to buy a copy of MacOS Snow Leopard, upgrade edition. Can't wiat for online purchase to arrive... where's the best place to pick up a copy in Dublin?

No need to buy the upgrade edition (wasn't even aware there was one). Just by the full version (only €30~), and use that to upgrade.

Though if I was you, I'd back up, format, and install from scratch.

Creamy Goodness

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

No need to buy the upgrade edition (wasn't even aware there was one). Just by the full version (only €30~), and use that to upgrade.

Though if I was you, I'd back up, format, and install from scratch.

that is the upgrade version, you need leopard to use the €30 version, or you need to buy the mac box set if you're running tiger with an intel mac.

all explained here http://www.apple.com/uk/macosx/specs.html

Dublin_Gunner

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

that is the upgrade version, you need leopard to use the €30 version, or you need to buy the mac box set if you're running tiger with an intel mac.

all explained here http://www.apple.com/uk/macosx/specs.html

Only if you want iLife & iWork.

You can install the €30 version on any formatted Intel Mac. I've done it 4 or 5 times.

Or spend an extra €10~ for the family license so you can install it on multiple machines.

Ham'nd'egger

Sad Professor wrote: »

Either CompuB on Grafton Street, or Bang & Olufsen on Bachelors Walk (also one in Donnybrook).

Also try O2 Experience shops or some branches of Harvey Normans.

Or PC World if your really stuck;)

Knasher

Technically speaking you can install Snow Leopard on any Intel Mac without having you Leopard disks; which was pretty decent of them to do. Legally speaking the license only covers you if you own a version of Leopard, so you legally are running unlicensed software. Just saying.

Dublin_Gunner

Well, if they come knockin "yes Steve, I own Leopard. I cannot find the disk though".

Illegality sorted.

enda1

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Well, if they come knockin "yes Steve, I own Leopard. I cannot find the disk though".

Illegality sorted.

If you're gonna go down the illegal route you may as well just download it via torrent.

So what's the point in paying €30 then when it doesn't gain you any legality?

Dublin_Gunner

enda1 wrote: »

If you're gonna go down the illegal route you may as well just download it via torrent.

So what's the point in paying €30 then when it doesn't gain you any legality?

Because then you legally own a copy. The license, as it stands, would be yours to use.

Telling a white lie to get over the license issue is one thing, but stealing the software is another matter altogether.

enda1

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Because then you legally own a copy. The license, as it stands, would be yours to use.

Telling a white lie to get over the license issue is one thing, but stealing the software is another matter altogether.

The cost of software is the license, not the bits and bytes.

The license as it stands would not be yours to use. And neither is it a white lie.

maggy_thatcher

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Because then you legally own a copy. The license, as it stands, would be yours to use.

Telling a white lie to get over the license issue is one thing, but stealing the software is another matter altogether.

Telling a white lie to get over the license issue means that it is unlicensed software - exactly the same as copying it from somebody. While you are unlikely to get caught, it's still wrong.

Dublin_Gunner

enda1 wrote: »

The cost of software is the license, not the bits and bytes.

The license as it stands would not be yours to use. And neither is it a white lie.

Wrong.

The 'bits & bytes' and their use thereof all form part of the license, not just the text.

To say you may as well just torrent it, rather than purchasing a copy is stupid TBH.

You're being very pedantic. Have you ever used unlicensed software?

To go out and spend a fortune on software you don't need, just to get over a small license issue is madness.

'tis the license terms sure, but I think you'll find a hell of a lot of people installing it on older machines.

Though, it is a sort of moot point, because I'd imagine the vast majority of machines upgraded to Snow Leopard are machines with Leopard anyway.

I've upgraded all of mine from Leopard, so I don't particularly care, was just pointing out that if you wanted to install it, there is really no need to have Leopard installed beforehand.

maggy_thatcher

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

To go out and spend a fortune on software you don't need, just to get over a small license issue is madness.

'tis the license terms sure, but I think you'll find a hell of a lot of people installing it on older machines.

And this, ladies and gentlemen is the reason why some software companies are forced to introduce upgrade verification/activation in their installs. Apple trusts you to obey the licence restrictions, and those who install it on older machines are betraying that trust.

It's exactly the same as users who pay €30 for a single upgrade copy of MacOS and install it on multiple machines, rather than (correctly) paying for the family pack version. Physically there's no difference between the two (you just get one DVD), but the licence agreement is different (can install on up to 5 machines), so you pay a little more.

enda1

Its not idiotic or pedantic to say that your vain attempt to assuage your guilt or something by buying a copy is stupid when the copy your buying is illegal to use.

Its the same law you are breaking whether you download or buy the upgrade pack.

Dublin_Gunner

enda1 wrote: »

Its not idiotic or pedantic to say that your vain attempt to assuage your guilt or something by buying a copy is stupid when the copy your buying is illegal to use.

Its the same law you are breaking whether you download or buy the upgrade pack.

I don't have any guilt, none whatsoever.

My point originally was to dispel any myth that you needed Leopard in order to install it - you don't.

As stated above, all my machines were upgraded from Leopard (not that I'd have to justify myself to you anyway).

Maggy - how about software companies don;t try to rip people off, and just release the bloomin' software as a full package for 1 price. Or indeed if you were able to buy it discounted by having Leopard - you should have to maybe bring your Leopard disk / key in with you.

The fact that they're saying in the license that the particular version 'requires' you to have Leopard is merely leaving the door wide open for abuse of that license - and something they will have NO WAY whatsoever of enforcing.

Windows is authenticated online - and makes it very difficult (unless you know what you're doing) to use a pirate / unlicensed copy.

Snow Leopard - well, just buy it and install it.

There is nothing stopping you, apart from a clause in a license that the majority of people will never read anyway. That's Apple's fault, noone elses.

maggy_thatcher

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

I don't have any guilt, none whatsoever.

My point originally was to dispel any myth that you needed Leopard in order to install it - you don't.

No you don't need it to install it, but you need to own it or else you are pirating their software.

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Maggy - how about software companies don;t try to rip people off, and just release the bloomin' software as a full package for 1 price. Or indeed if you were able to buy it discounted by having Leopard - you should have to maybe bring your Leopard disk / key in with you.

Think of it as a scrappage/trade-in scheme. They're offering to sell you SL at a discounted price if you scrap your existing license of Leopard. If you don't have a Leopard license you pay the full price. Microsoft does the same thing, they just don't trust you so they make you activate it.

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

The fact that they're saying in the license that the particular version 'requires' you to have Leopard is merely leaving the door wide open for abuse of that license - and something they will have NO WAY whatsoever of enforcing.

Windows is authenticated online - and makes it very difficult (unless you know what you're doing) to use a pirate / unlicensed copy.

Snow Leopard - well, just buy it and install it.

There is nothing stopping you, apart from a clause in a license that the majority of people will never read anyway. That's Apple's fault, noone elses.

It is partially Apple's fault for making it easy for people to pirate their software, in the same way that leaving your house door unlocked makes it your fault if someone comes in and steals something.

Stainless_Steel

Wow bit of an over reaction people.

Off the high horse...bet every one of you has illegal software/media.

I bought the full tiger upgrade pack because I thought it was a full version and upgrade was not. Had I known I wouldn't have let myself get unfairly conned into buying that iLife crap.

enda1

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

Wow bit of an over reaction people.

Off the high horse...bet every one of you has illegal software/media.

I bought the full tiger upgrade pack because I thought it was a full version and upgrade was not. Had I known I wouldn't have let myself get unfairly conned into buying that iLife crap.

The person on their high horse is Dublin_Gunner who thinks by buying the upgrade pack while not having Leopard somehow places them morally in a different category to a torrent downloader.

I'm not suggesting to buy the full anything, just stating more clearly and logically the legalities of the situations.

Buy the upgrade pack, torrent, whatever I don't give a shit!

Ham'nd'egger

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

Wow bit of an over reaction people.

Off the high horse...bet every one of you has illegal software/media.

I bought the full tiger upgrade pack because I thought it was a full version and upgrade was not. Had I known I wouldn't have let myself get unfairly conned into buying that iLife crap.

A lot of people don't have the newer version of iLife and iWork hence it being bundled in with the upgrade.

Dublin_Gunner

Hamndegger wrote: »

A lot of people don't have the newer version of iLife and iWork hence it being bundled in with the upgrade.

Whether you want / need it or not...

Stainless_Steel

Hamndegger wrote: »

A lot of people don't have the newer version of iLife and iWork hence it being bundled in with the upgrade.

Silly me....I thought they were just forcing the customer into an upsell.