Are You Lost about Lost - answers here!

McGilla

Im not taking the credit for this, but this video, explains all that needs to be known, if you still don't get it after this, then just stick to watching the Simposons or Dr Phil.:P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HWECQa23Cs

Enjoy!

jimbling

McGilla wrote: »

Im not taking the credit for this, but this video, explains all that needs to be known, if you still don't get it after this, then just stick to watching the Simposons or Dr Phil.:P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HWECQa23Cs

Enjoy!

That's a pretty damn good summary to be honest. Think I'll forward that to my numerous friends that are confused about what happened.

Killer Pigeon

Maybe if they had said all of this 6 years ago then people would be more inclined to watch the series.

McGilla

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Maybe if they had said all of this 6 years ago then people would be more inclined to watch the series.

I agree, but it has been the most successfull TV programme in History, so it obvoiusly worked, and Im guessing the box set will do very well in the future.

gustavo

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Maybe if they had said all of this 6 years ago then people would be more inclined to watch the series.

Not me anyway,Half the fun was not knowing what the hell was going on The other half was watching a well written story with interesting characters that I cared about

jimbling

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Maybe if they had said all of this 6 years ago then people would be more inclined to watch the series.

No way, wouldn't have been half the TV Show if they did that.

McGilla wrote: »

I agree, but it has been the most successfull TV programme in History, so it obvoiusly worked, and Im guessing the box set will do very well in the future.

Em, what? Most successful TV programme in History? I really wouldn't have thought so, unless you are measuring it by the size of it's cult following. Actual TV Ratings wouldn't back that up I don't think.

thirtythirty

No, see, I understood all that myself and had no problems working out what was going on in the ending. But i still feel it was a bit of a divergence from where it was going, and what i don't understand was the relevance of Dharma.

Obv it was setup to gain control of the light, and Charles Whitmore was a part of it, hence is life-long goal of going back there.

However.

- How did the hatch have the numbers of the candidates on it? That's my main question!
- Charles seemed to be as big a puppet master as jacob, yet his whole 5 season lead up was just outed in one gun shot and not referred to again. I think at some point they decided to follow the mythical religious line and ignore the sciencey/real life line that they'd been following. Which was the line pretty much up until the final season really. So in the end, what part did he play?

McGilla

jimbling wrote: »

No way, wouldn't have been half the TV Show if they did that.



Em, what? Most successful TV programme in History? I really wouldn't have thought so, unless you are measuring it by the size of it's cult following. Actual TV Ratings wouldn't back that up I don't think.

Lost is THE most successfull TV series in history, although Irish following is only "cult" it is the most popular show in nearly every major country, America, Ausralia, right across Europe & Scandinavia!

From listening to Lost Quitters, almost all, say they will go back and watch it on box sets! - So it will continue to do well.

jimbling

McGilla wrote: »

Lost is THE most successfull TV series in history, although Irish following is only "cult" it is the most popular show in nearly every major country, America, Ausralia, right across Europe & Scandinavia!

From listening to Lost Quitters, almost all, say they will go back and watch it on box sets! - So it will continue to do well.

Interesting.... I never knew that. I was under the impression there ratings weren't that good.... and had dropped throughout the series. Although picked up again in the last season.

McGilla

spottyelephant wrote: »

No, see, I understood all that myself and had no problems working out what was going on in the ending. But i still feel it was a bit of a divergence from where it was going, and what i don't understand was the relevance of Dharma.

Obv it was setup to gain control of the light, and Charles Whitmore was a part of it, hence is life-long goal of going back there.

However.

- How did the hatch have the numbers of the candidates on it? That's my main question!
- Charles seemed to be as big a puppet master as jacob, yet his whole 5 season lead up was just outed in one gun shot and not referred to again. I think at some point they decided to follow the mythical religious line and ignore the sciencey/real life line that they'd been following. Which was the line pretty much up until the final season really. So in the end, what part did he play?

I agree there was probably a decision to go the religious / faith route, at some stage, and this shows Lost was evolving as it was written, (they were making it up as they went) - but dont forget, that's exactly how Lord Of The Rings was written. - and that was a bit of success!

I like the way they (the writers) had to decide between Religion / Faith and Science, its an everyday issue that no one has ever solved!

The more I think about it, the better the ending was,(and I hated it at first)

conorhal

McGilla wrote: »

Im not taking the credit for this, but this video, explains all that needs to be known, if you still don't get it after this, then just stick to watching the Simposons or Dr Phil.:P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HWECQa23Cs

Enjoy!

According to that guy, "lost isn't about the story, it's about how the story is told". The creators too suggested that Lost "isn't about the island it's about the characters"

Jeez, that's like saying that sex isn't about cumming, it's about the cuddle afterwards....

jimbling

spottyelephant wrote: »

No, see, I understood all that myself and had no problems working out what was going on in the ending. But i still feel it was a bit of a divergence from where it was going, and what i don't understand was the relevance of Dharma.

Obv it was setup to gain control of the light, and Charles Whitmore was a part of it, hence is life-long goal of going back there.

Take a look in the lost experience thread thats on the front page, might help explain some of that.

spottyelephant wrote: »

However.

- How did the hatch have the numbers of the candidates on it? That's my main question!

Not explained, like anything about how the numbers got all over the place. But it's not hard to explain/assume. Jacob could easily just influenced people around the place.

spottyelephant wrote: »

- Charles seemed to be as big a puppet master as jacob, yet his whole 5 season lead up was just outed in one gun shot and not referred to again. I think at some point they decided to follow the mythical religious line and ignore the sciencey/real life line that they'd been following. Which was the line pretty much up until the final season really. So in the end, what part did he play?

Widmore was a huge part of the entire series. Yes, he died at the end... but it was in the Finale, it's not like they just left him out of it.
Even MiB was "just outed in one gun shot and not referred to again".

And with regards being the puppet master or the puppet.... well, there are levels of puppetry is all I can say. Widmore was both.... similar to Ben. Both played major parts in the story... and the final series.

I disagree. I know they were making things up as they went, but I solidly believe that they had mythical/religious/biblical intentions from the beginning.

McGilla

McGilla wrote: »

Lost is THE most successfull TV series in history, although Irish following is only "cult" it is the most popular show in nearly every major country, America, Ausralia, right across Europe & Scandinavia!

From listening to Lost Quitters, almost all, say they will go back and watch it on box sets! - So it will continue to do well.

Before I get slated, I'll change "THE" to "One of the"
ref - Lost is THE most successfull TV series in history But i do know it averaged around 20million viewers per episode!

jimbling

conorhal wrote: »

According to that guy, "lost isn't about the story, it's about how the story is told". The creators too suggested that Lost "isn't about the island it's about the characters"

Jeez, that's like saying that sex isn't about cumming, it's about the cuddle afterwards....

em, no......
If you want to use that metaphore, then it would be like saying sex isn't about the cumming its about the foreplay and the act itself. Is the cumming the only part of sex you enjoy? You're missing out bud

conorhal

jimbling wrote: »

em, no......
If you want to use that metaphore, then it would be like saying sex isn't about the cumming its about the foreplay and the act itself. Is the cumming the only part of sex you enjoy? You're missing out bud

I'm only talking about the 'conclusion' here.

What I'm actually arguing (to continue the smutty metaphor) is that there are fanatical Losties out there that are all about cumming, and The End really blue-balled them. Then there were those that loved Lost's conclusion, about whom you could argue, prefer a nice cup of tea and a cuddle then a decent shag.
Then there's me, I would argue that both were required for full satisfaction. The End for me was perhaps emotionally satisfying but intelectually empty. I wanted it to unload both barrels and then hold me and tell me that I was pretty.....

dudeitshurley

McGilla wrote: »

Lost is THE most successfull TV series in history, although Irish following is only "cult" it is the most popular show in nearly every major country, America, Ausralia, right across Europe & Scandinavia!

From listening to Lost Quitters, almost all, say they will go back and watch it on box sets! - So it will continue to do well.

jimbling wrote: »

Interesting.... I never knew that. I was under the impression there ratings weren't that good.... and had dropped throughout the series. Although picked up again in the last season.

jimbling wrote: »

Take a look in the lost experience thread thats on the front page, might help explain some of that.


Not explained, like anything about how the numbers got all over the place. But it's not hard to explain/assume. Jacob could easily just influenced people around the place.



Widmore was a huge part of the entire series. Yes, he died at the end... but it was in the Finale, it's not like they just left him out of it.
Even MiB was "just outed in one gun shot and not referred to again".

And with regards being the puppet master or the puppet.... well, there are levels of puppetry is all I can say. Widmore was both.... similar to Ben. Both played major parts in the story... and the final series.

I disagree. I know they were making things up as they went, but I solidly believe that they had mythical/religious/biblical intentions from the beginning.

Jimbling is correct. Lost is nowhere near the most popular show of all-time or otherwise based on ratings. In fact, the Pilot drew 28.2 million viewers. s6 averaged something around 11 million, and the Finale despite being hyped and advertised beyond all recognition only drew a primetime audience of 16 million.

Regarding Widmore, he didn't appear in the Finale, he was killed in Across the Sea (penultimate episode). In fact, the manner in which he was killed led people to believe there is simply no way that's the end of his character, as it was rushed, forced and out of place. People on here, a lot of them, theorised it was part of Bens plan, bullet proof vests etc. Instead it's another inexplicable flip-flop from Ben between good and evil, cementing the argument they ruined a great character in s6.

Mitch Connor

dudeitshurley wrote: »

Regarding Widmore, he didn't appear in the Finale, he was killed in Across the Sea (penultimate episode). In fact, the manner in which he was killed led people to believe there is simply no way that's the end of his character, as it was rushed, forced and out of place. People on here, a lot of them, theorised it was part of Bens plan, bullet proof vests etc. Instead it's another inexplicable flip-flop from Ben between good and evil, cementing the argument they ruined a great character in s6.

ah yes- ben should have shown how out for the ultimate good he was by allowing Widmore to tell FLocke exactly why desmond was needed and what Widmore wanted him to do. That would have worked out perfectly.

jimbling

ya, sorry, it was the penultimate episode.

dudeitshurley wrote: »

Instead it's another inexplicable flip-flop from Ben between good and evil, cementing the argument they ruined a great character in s6.

I disagree. Widmore was a bastard throughout the series. Yes, he turned around and brought Desmond for Jacob at the end, but he was still giving up the info to MiB to save himself/his daughter (well, that's the way ben would have seen it). So Ben killed him. I thought it was a very fitting way for him to die, at the hands of Ben.

I dont think Ben ever flip flopped between good and evil in that episode to be honest... ... he just doing what he needed to survive, but obviously was willing to give up widmore as he despised him with everything inch of his being.

dudeitshurley

Mitch Connor wrote: »

ah yes- ben should have shown how out for the ultimate good he was by allowing Widmore to tell FLocke exactly why desmond was needed and what Widmore wanted him to do. That would have worked out perfectly.

Flocke said he told him what he needed anyway. Bens motive wasnt anything to do with saving the Island anyway, it was revenge and possibly greed wanting control of the Island for himself. Doesn't sit well beside some of his actions in s6.

McGilla

conorhal wrote: »

I'm only talking about the 'conclusion' here.

What I'm actually arguing (to continue the smutty metaphor) is that there are fanatical Losties out there that are all about cumming, and The End really blue-balled them. Then there were those that loved Lost's conclusion, about whom you could argue, prefer a nice cup of tea and a cuddle then a decent shag.
Then there's me, I would argue that both were required for full satisfaction. The End for me was perhaps emotionally satisfying but intelectually empty. I wanted it to unload both barrels and then hold me and tell me that I was pretty.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HWECQa23Cs

"Intellectually empty" - I don’t agree, I found the ending to be thought provoking, and stimulating. Granted you may not understand everything at first, but the more we dwell on it the more makes sense. (Like all great mysteries)

I think it takes a certain level of intelligence to really grasp the ending. (A good re-watch maybe in order!)

And the character development is an amazing feature of the series!

It’s obviously left us with food for thought, as people are still talking about it, and will be for some time!

It seems to be people wanted a definitive answer to all questions at the end, but didn’t get this.
However they should have known better than that as Lost has never clarified anything, such is the nature of the program, and that’s why we loved it, we just hated when we had to wait a week for answers! (and the answers never came, but we chose to keep watching!) LOVE IT!!!

ScrubsfanChris

Top notch summary, def be forwarding this to lost of people.

cooker3

McGilla wrote: »

Lost is THE most successfull TV series in history, although Irish following is only "cult" it is the most popular show in nearly every major country, America, Ausralia, right across Europe & Scandinavia!

From listening to Lost Quitters, almost all, say they will go back and watch it on box sets! - So it will continue to do well.

Do you have any numbers to back this claim up?