50-50 finishes in march 2011. C16 is last recruitment for a while.

hotel glo

Folks, got pass letter from C16 assessment centre this morning!! Only did it on Monday!!

Has some interesting reading on the bottom, all appointments will be made between october and march. After march, no more 50-50 and no more Deloitte.

You are encouraged to accept appointments as there is no date for any further recruitment.

This is it folks, after march 2011, back to smaller numbers depending on retirements etc!!

swl33t

hotel glo wrote: »

Folks, got pass letter from C16 assessment centre this morning!! Only did it on Monday!!

Has some interesting reading on the bottom, all appointments will be made between october and march. After march, no more 50-50 and no more Deloitte.

You are encouraged to accept appointments as there is no date for any further recruitment.

This is it folks, after march 2011, back to smaller numbers depending on retirements etc!!

oh dear, this is going to make my decision much harder

B182

this could also be another campaign in sept so if they wrap up c16 quick they can sqeeue another but its deloitte so who knows lol

does everyone who pass have this on theirs also ?

In some ways I'm glad to hear this, but at the same time I'm not. I've never been a fan of the 50:50 principal, purely because in my opinion it is discrimination, positive or not. But then without 50:50 we wouldn't have the high recruitment numbers and guaranteed campaigns. In a way the positive and negatives cancel each other out due to there being more places on offer with it in place.

I am intrigued though to see without Deloitte running future campaigns, what way the actual recruitment process might change, hopefully it will be in a good way, and hopefully they will bring in pre-entry qualifications to drive down the numbers of initial applications and make it a better contest for all involved.


I'm quite suprised nobody else has mentioned this from their letters...

tickle_monster

to quote the letter lol it said "you should be aware that this is likely to be the last recruitment campaign under the existing temporary legislation ('50/50'), and that the police service is unlikely to be recruiting with the same volume after march 2011."

psni intends to make all appointments from this campaign between october and end of march. and there will be no provision to forward appointments from this campaign.

i didnt read anything on my letter that said deloitte was ending unless you mean that from now the psni take over but thats always been the case after the AC.

Delancey

Deleted User wrote: »

hopefully they will bring in pre-entry qualifications to drive down the numbers of initial applications and make it a better contest for all involved.


I'm quite suprised nobody else has mentioned this from their letters...

Excellent point to raise there . AGS in the Republic have had a recruitment freeze and an internal Garda report has recommended / suggested that when recruiting re-commences that candidates be required to hold certain qualifications before applying. The skills being mooted include Full Driving Licences , First Aid ( no idea as to what level ) , Life Saving , E.C.D.L. , etc.
I would not be surprised if the P.S.N.I. did something similar.

hotel glo

tickle_monster wrote: »

to quote the letter lol it said "you should be aware that this is likely to be the last recruitment campaign under the existing temporary legislation ('50/50'), and that the police service is unlikely to be recruiting with the same volume after march 2011."

psni intends to make all appointments from this campaign between october and end of march. and there will be no provision to forward appointments from this campaign.

i didnt read anything on my letter that said deloitte was ending unless you mean that from now the psni take over but thats always been the case after the AC.

Lol, i have to admit my better half was telling me what it said over the phone and seems she got a bit carried away!! Lol.

That'll teach me to listen to her!!! Lol (ps, joke - dont want a sexist debate!!! Lol

However what you quoted sounds like what i said but i missed out the 'unlikely' bit!

tickle_monster

lol no worries i just read the first line of my letter that said i passed and skimmed through the rest took me a couple of attempts to sit down and read it and take it all in caught up in the excitment!!! interesting user name you got there :cool: lol

WaitingGame

Hey folks, just signed up a few moments ago and have been going post crazy!

Just trying to get an idea of the numbers involved in the AC process? And how many jobs are up for grabs?
Bit concerned because of my male non-rc background, at the bottom of the pile in relation to recruitment diversity so i will have needed to have aced my AC but sure!

gigity gigity

Judging by what it says in the letter I would assume that there are about 250 jobs available. Somebody correct me if im wrong but I think its around 50 in a group over five months (dont think they would start you in December)
Also heard that there is about 2000 in the ac stage, and about 1200 in the merit pool.

Again this is just what i have picked up so if some one knows different correct me.

Bubbles34

gigity gigity wrote: »

Judging by what it says in the letter I would assume that there are about 250 jobs available. Somebody correct me if im wrong but I think its around 50 in a group over five months (dont think they would start you in December)
Also heard that there is about 2000 in the ac stage, and about 1200 in the merit pool.

Again this is just what i have picked up so if some one knows different correct me.

Hard to tell.......they could appoint you in december for jan start........they could appoint you in march for may start???? Hope theres more than 250. Well done on your ac by the way.............how did you find it?

WaitingGame

250 jobs for 2000 people...thats tough! I didnt think it went that well to be honest, I felt i'd done enough to pass but lets just say im not holding my breath for the merit placings, especially because my IST wasnt particularly strong and my backround. Top 10% from the AC is a pretty tall order id imagine!

gigity gigity

To be honest I thought id failed it. Came out of each situation and knew I had more to say and knew that I should have squeezed more in. Time will tell.

Again not to sure if those numbers are correct, wish they were would do the full 440 myself, maybe they will change their minds.

When is your ac Bubbles?

pma1983

i had heard 440 myself and the possibility of another campaign-may explain the quick turnaround in pass letters going out.

VES86

pre entry qualifications, as nice an idea as that may be to some, what about the people who may have left school or do not have the time or money to go to a tech, for say a qualification in IT like pluginbaby has already used as an example.

this is a job that no scholastic qualification is going to prepare you for, nor one that your academic career be used as a indicator of your ability to be able to do the job

WaitingGame

440? That sounds much better! Where do these figures come from by the way? Some magical fountain of psni related info that im not aware of?

VES86

ive also been lead to believe that there are 400 odd spots up at gville

pma1983

i have a friend who works in the support team, but no one knows for certain id say

Delancey

VES86 wrote: »

pre entry qualifications, as nice an idea as that may be to some, what about the people who may have left school or do not have the time or money to go to a tech, for say a qualification in IT like pluginbaby has already used as an example.

this is a job that no scholastic qualification is going to prepare you for, nor one that your academic career be used as a indicator of your ability to be able to do the job

In fairness a qualification like E.C.D.L. is pretty basic and quite inexpensive and also does not take a huge amount of time. The same could be said for basic First Aid or Lifesaving. I think these requirements also test the commitment of candidates to the job and it should be noted they do not require formal qualifications like GCSE's to do them.
What do others think ?

gigity gigity

If 50;50 is taken away will it not mean that the margin between rc and non rc will grow bigger again as it is mostly non-rc who apply?

I can see the point that people find it unfair for 50:50 to be in place but if the PSNI is to be truly representational maybe they should wait until it is possibly 40:60.........

Delancey

gigity gigity wrote: »

If 50;50 is taken away will it not mean that the margin between rc and non rc will grow bigger again as it is mostly non-rc who apply?

I can see the point that people find it unfair for 50:50 to be in place but if the PSNI is to be truly representational maybe they should wait until it is possibly 40:60.........

Good point you raise. The Patten report ( remember that ? ) suggested a force 70% non - RC and 30% RC and while it could be argued a higher % for RC should have been done the fact remains that it did not go above 30%.
Should RC representation begin to dip significantly below 30% post 50 / 50 then without doubt there will be pressure for something to be done to at least maintain that 30% - what mechanism is used to achieve this goal is open to speculation.
If I recall correctly for C 15 around 40% of applicants were RC so it could be argued that there should not be difficulty in maintaining 30% , on the other hand I personally suspect a few things ' skew ' the statistics so we could see the 30% slip - interesting times ahead.

gigity gigity

What sort of things do you think skew the statistics?

Wish the patten report was only coming out now...... that way I would have loads of chances to get in.

Delancey

I read a Policing Board document ( several years old I have to say ) that commented on the large number of applications from Polish Nationals , it did point out however that at the time of writing not 1 Polish person had been successful. My own guess is that they may have been falling down on language skills at both IST and AC stages.
Poland is 99.9% RC and these applicants would be boosting the bottom line % of RC applicants but in truth none at the time were getting through ( I do know that since that report Polish people have been successful in their applications ).
Similarly a large number of applicants from the Republic which is predominantly RC boosts the statistics.

There is a phrase of '' Lies , Damned Lies and Statisitics '' - it reminds me of a time when the Met in London posted statistics that showed a big rise in recruitment of etnic minority officers , when these figures were drilled into it transpired that the increase was down to the fact that the Met were treating recruites from the island of Ireland as an '' ethnic minority '' !

Cashflow

Yeah, there was a Polish fella doing his firearms when I was residential (so long ago now), and according to him he ain't alone, so whatever you read is well outta date.

peter_green

i heard there was a polish guy who's just made sergeant in newry area. not sure if that's true though

delancey42

delancey42 wrote: »

I read a Policing Board document ( several years old I have to say ) that commented on the large number of applications from Polish Nationals , it did point out however that at the time of writing not 1 Polish person had been successful.

I remember reading that too somewhere but can't for the life of me think what it was

zzz101z

VES86 wrote: »

pre entry qualifications, as nice an idea as that may be to some, what about the people who may have left school or do not have the time or money to go to a tech, for say a qualification in IT like pluginbaby has already used as an example.

this is a job that no scholastic qualification is going to prepare you for, nor one that your academic career be used as a indicator of your ability to be able to do the job

I agree VES, no qualification is going to show what you can do as a psni, but something to show dedication would be good... instead of having us apply time after time after time to show how much we want this as a career.

Delancey

zzz101z wrote: »

I agree VES, no qualification is going to show what you can do as a psni, but something to show dedication would be good... instead of having us apply time after time after time to show how much we want this as a career.

It would certainly cut down on the time wasters who clog up the system - the thousands who fail to show for the IST , look how many people are reporting 3 or 4 no shows at their AC - pre-entry qualifications will never completely eliminate these applicants but I think they would go a long way to sharply reduce their numbers.

Jay_Man

What does this mean?

psni intends to make all appointments from this campaign between october and end of march. and there will be no provision to forward appointments from this campaign.


Is it if you are not appointed by end of march then your place will not be there for you - even if you scored high enough but say your vetting took longer than march 2011???

wanadrum

This is what I was getting at previously Jay-Man, I can't see how they propose to appoint everyone by March 2011 if vetting takes so long in some cases.

However, what else can they do if vetting isn't complete and they have to make the appointments?

Jay_Man

That can't be right. Sure their still vetting me from 08 Campaign. Sure that like a first come first served basis irrelevant of your merit placing. How fair is that like??

They must be confident of Vetting everyone within this time-frame.

wanadrum

I agree with you - but if they have to send vetting off to other agencies, and as you say, they are still vetting you from 2008, is that realistic?

I know it is not fair - there are plenty of people over the past number of years who've been treated unfairly when it comes to PSNI recruitment though.

As far as I can see though, if they have to fill the spaces and they can only do it with people who have cleared vetting, then they have to move on to the next person who has cleared vetting.

Jay_Man

If thats the case Merit placing is irrelevant. Its whoever Vetting clears the quickest haha.

I emailed them about my Vetting from 08 and they said:

"If there is a place for you and you pass vetting, it will be kept for you regardless of how much time passes."

I imagine this would still be the case.

wanadrum

Well I don't know JayMan - if you read the letter all appointments will be made and you are advised not to defer as you may not get a place.

Well merit placing wouldn't be irrelevant in this case, it would be used to select the next person.....

In some respects merit placing has been irrelevant to certain unfortunate people throughout the 50-50 process. i.e. those who have missed out because of community background, they will have had higher merit placing than other people who are given a space......

I would like to hear the official line on this - yes it is not fair if you lose a place because vetting is not complete, but at the same time if they have to fill the spaces and you can't be offered a place on the basis that you have not got security clearance, then what else can they do but got to the next qualified person on the list?

Are you still in with a shout from the 2008 campaign then??

Jay_Man

Your right wanadrum, rang appointments there and they confirmed it. Such a joke..

Delancey

Which means a lot of people who have spent time abroad , from the Republic or have other factors which impact vetting will be severely dissappointed - makes something of a mockery of the Merit list.

wanadrum

The same could be said for anyone who has applied over the past number of years and not got a place even though others who have scored lower have got in.

Still not fair.