Does anyone know the answers to these questions?

cc-offe

Hey everyone, loved the final! I was a bit underwhelmed at first but the more I thought about it, the more I loved it!

Anyway I have a few questions, not biggies, I've just been pondering and suffering from baby brain at the mo so go easy on me

1. If Jacob never spoke or met with Ben when Ben was the leader of the others then where did he get the 'list'?

2. Why did MIB's mother not want him to leave the island?

3. Didn't MIB tell Richard that Jacob had stolen his body? What did he mean by that? Because he still could take on his human form couldn't he?

4. Did we ever find out why Ben had a tumour on his spine? when all the other losties seemed to be cured by the island?

5. How did Anthony cooper get there? Now I know about the 'magic box' metaphor and all that but if it was that simple then couldn't it have been used for all sorts of things? to bring all sorts of people and things to the island?

6. Did we ever find out the significance of Miles asking for $3.2 million?

7. What exactly were the rules between Charles and Ben?

I'm sure I'll have more questions soon and I'm not really looking for answers for things that haven't been answered (because i'm very happy with the outcome of the show) but I'd like to know if any of the questions that I have have already been answered if you know what I mean?

tony1kenobi

cc-offe wrote: »

Hey everyone, loved the final! I was a bit underwhelmed at first but the more I thought about it, the more I loved it!

Anyway I have a few questions, not biggies, I've just been pondering and suffering from baby brain at the mo so go easy on me

1. If Jacob never spoke or met with Ben when Ben was the leader of the others then where did he get the 'list'?

2. Why did MIB's mother not want him to leave the island?

3. Didn't MIB tell Richard that Jacob had stolen his body? What did he mean by that? Because he still could take on his human form couldn't he?

4. Did we ever find out why Ben had a tumour on his spine? when all the other losties seemed to be cured by the island?

5. How did Anthony cooper get there? Now I know about the 'magic box' metaphor and all that but if it was that simple then couldn't it have been used for all sorts of things? to bring all sorts of people and things to the island?

6. Did we ever find out the significance of Miles asking for $3.2 million?

7. What exactly were the rules between Charles and Ben?

I'm sure I'll have more questions soon and I'm not really looking for answers for things that haven't been answered (because i'm very happy with the outcome of the show) but I'd like to know if any of the questions that I have have already been answered if you know what I mean?

1. Richard
2. He was her first choice replacement.
3. Pass....don't know.
4. Again not sure....
5. Ben brought him....Or got someone to bring him.I think Ben knew Locke wouldn't kill his own father and wanted to show Locke as weak.
6. Not sure
7. We were never told....nor were we told what game the rules were for.

cc-offe

tony1kenobi wrote: »

1. Richard
2. He was her first choice replacement.
3. Pass....don't know.
4. Again not sure....
5. Ben brought him....Or got someone to bring him.I think Ben knew Locke wouldn't kill his own father and wanted to show Locke as weak.
6. Not sure
7. We were never told....nor were we told what game the rules were for.

1. So did Richard not realise that Ben never saw Jacob?
2. When she realised he was never gonna be the replacement why wouldn't she let him leave?
5. I'll have to watch that episode again cos I thought that Lockes dad arrived pretty much straight away, i'm probably wrong though

Thanks for your input

jimbling

cc-offe wrote: »

Hey everyone, loved the final! I was a bit underwhelmed at first but the more I thought about it, the more I loved it!

Anyway I have a few questions, not biggies, I've just been pondering and suffering from baby brain at the mo so go easy on me

1. If Jacob never spoke or met with Ben when Ben was the leader of the others then where did he get the 'list'?

2. Why did MIB's mother not want him to leave the island?

3. Didn't MIB tell Richard that Jacob had stolen his body? What did he mean by that? Because he still could take on his human form couldn't he?

4. Did we ever find out why Ben had a tumour on his spine? when all the other losties seemed to be cured by the island?

5. How did Anthony cooper get there? Now I know about the 'magic box' metaphor and all that but if it was that simple then couldn't it have been used for all sorts of things? to bring all sorts of people and things to the island?

6. Did we ever find out the significance of Miles asking for $3.2 million?

7. What exactly were the rules between Charles and Ben?

I'm sure I'll have more questions soon and I'm not really looking for answers for things that haven't been answered (because i'm very happy with the outcome of the show) but I'd like to know if any of the questions that I have have already been answered if you know what I mean?

1) As t1k said. And I'm sure Richard did know Ben never saw Jacob. For the most part anyway, perhaps not towards the end when Ben was lying about it... but I still reckon he did.

2) She, like Jacob, never wanted/allowed anyone to leave the Island. It was part of their Rules. Seemingly these rules are up to the Protector, but that's not fully understood.

3) No don't think he could take his human form at all. He could manifest as MiB, but I dont think it "felt" like a human form to him. I reckon John Locke was the first body that "felt" human to him.

4) Not really, but I guess because he wasn't a candidate.

5) Ya, presume Ben brought him or got someone to bring him. They never specifically say this though.

6) I have a feeling we did, but can't remember what it was again. Something about one of the dead bodies giving him that number? hmm, maybe someone else knows.

7) Again, never told. But I guess they were like Rules of War. e.g. in a war opposite sides are supposed to treat Officers with respect. In this case, you weren't supposed to attack each others family etc.

Penn

cc-offe wrote: »

Hey everyone, loved the final! I was a bit underwhelmed at first but the more I thought about it, the more I loved it!

Anyway I have a few questions, not biggies, I've just been pondering and suffering from baby brain at the mo so go easy on me

1. If Jacob never spoke or met with Ben when Ben was the leader of the others then where did he get the 'list'?

Richard was the go-between for Jacob and the leader of The Others (Ben)

2. Why did MIB's mother not want him to leave the island?

Emotional attachment I suppose. After all, it seems like she was the islands protector for a long time before Jacob and MIB came along. She raised them as her own and probably thought that MIB would be the one to succeed her as protector. For all intents and purposes, she was their mother

3. Didn't MIB tell Richard that Jacob had stolen his body? What did he mean by that? Because he still could take on his human form couldn't he?

I don't really remember him saying that, but even though he could take human form, after he flew out of the source at the heart of the island as the smoke monster, Jacob found his body and placed it in the caves as Adam (Adam and Eve skeletons).

4. Did we ever find out why Ben had a tumour on his spine? when all the other losties seemed to be cured by the island?

It needed to happen from the very start. It was destined. The day after Ben found out about the tumour is the day Oceanic 815 crashed, and Jack was a spinal surgeon. The island made it that way because it was what needed to happen I guess

5. How did Anthony cooper get there? Now I know about the 'magic box' metaphor and all that but if it was that simple then couldn't it have been used for all sorts of things? to bring all sorts of people and things to the island?

Submarine. The Others, Richard in particular, regularly left the island. They knew about Locke's history, so they went off the island, chased Cooper, probably causing the car crash he was in in the process, then brought him to the island

6. Did we ever find out the significance of Miles asking for $3.2 million?

Widmore was paying him $1.6million to go to the island, so the figure he asked Ben for was double that. $3.2million

7. What exactly were the rules between Charles and Ben?

Dunno. It may just be because Widmore was a former leader of the Others, so they have inside rules between them. Possibly passed down by Jacob through Richard as he knew they both had key roles to play

I'm sure I'll have more questions soon and I'm not really looking for answers for things that haven't been answered (because i'm very happy with the outcome of the show) but I'd like to know if any of the questions that I have have already been answered if you know what I mean?

At this stage, there is no real answer for a lot of things. All we can do is use the information we were given and make our own educated guesses.

Penn

cc-offe wrote: »

1. So did Richard not realise that Ben never saw Jacob?
2. When she realised he was never gonna be the replacement why wouldn't she let him leave?
5. I'll have to watch that episode again cos I thought that Lockes dad arrived pretty much straight away, i'm probably wrong though

Thanks for your input

Richard knew, but Ben never really claimed to see Jacob until he went to the cabin with Locke. There, he lied about being able to see Jacob and was acting like he could see him. But then Locke really did see someone. This scared Ben, so he shot Locke at the Dharma grave. Richard knew Ben never saw Locke, but Ben was the leader. So when Ben said he was bringing Locke to see Jacob, Richard knew he wasn't, so he just let Ben carry on with whatever plan he had.

Like I said, probably just maternal feelings and loneliness caused her to not want him to leave. Plus he had become somewhat corrupted by the people he originally came with, and she probably wanted to make him good again

With regards to how fast they got Locke's father there, it depends on when they sent for him. They could have sent for him after Michael let Ben escape from the Hatch. Ben may have seen how much Locke believed in the faith of the island, and thought he could manipulate him later. That was at the end of Season 2. Cooper wasn't shown (or Richard who likely went to get him) until midwaythrough Season 3

Jay Ru

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

Richard knew, but Ben never really claimed to see Jacob until he went to the cabin with Locke. There, he lied about being able to see Jacob and was acting like he could see him. But then Locke really did see someone. This scared Ben, so he shot Locke at the Dharma grave. Richard knew Ben never saw Locke, but Ben was the leader. So when Ben said he was bringing Locke to see Jacob, Richard knew he wasn't, so he just let Ben carry on with whatever plan he had.

In one of the episodes running up to that episode Ben walks up to Richard and gives him some orders. Richard is doubtful of Bens orders and then Ben tells him that Jacob gave him the orders. Richard knew Ben was lying.

Penn

Jay Ru wrote: »

In one of the episodes running up to that episode Ben walks up to Richard and gives him some orders. Richard is doubtful of Bens orders and then Ben tells him that Jacob gave him the orders. Richard knew Ben was lying.

Exactly, so he knew that Ben was going to do something else or had a different plan. Richard knew that Ben couldn't find Jacob, so he knew Jacob would be safe and they wouldn't really be going to see him. Richard probably could have said something, but Ben was the leader of The Others, Richard was only a sort of advisor or representative of Jacob, so it was Bens plan

mikemike

I've searched through the threads ,, but I'm still unsure of a few things ... any help appreciated .. I'm a big fan of lost but need to get a few things sorted ...

did the plane in episode one ACTUALLY crash onto the island , and did they ALL die in this crash ? if so , was the island just their state of limbo or whatever for a few of them until they could work out how to find 'peace' and move on ..

or , as somebody suggested , a few people did actually walk away from the crash alive and brusied , but 'alive' , and it was a 'real' island with 'magical' powers , which enabled Locke to walk again ?

It was a REAL island with magical powers ,, is this so ????

and if real , when Jack was lying dying and saw the plane pass overhead , did the guys on the plane actually make it back to the real world and then die years later and met up with jack at the church ??

actually , it just hit me ,, Jacks dad told him jack spent his most important times with these people , so maybe the island was real ...

Hrududu

mikemike wrote: »

did the plane in episode one ACTUALLY crash onto the island
yes
and did they ALL die in this crash ?
no

or , as somebody suggested , a few people did actually walk away from the crash alive and brusied , but 'alive' , and it was a 'real' island with 'magical' powers , which enabled Locke to walk again ?
yes

It was a REAL island with magical powers ,, is this so ????
yes

and if real , when Jack was lying dying and saw the plane pass overhead , did the guys on the plane actually make it back to the real world and then die years later and met up with jack at the church ??
yes

Answers in bold

mikemike

many thanks for that ,,,,

my headache has now gone ..

dudeitshurley

I'm sorry but i'm drawing a firm line in the sand here on this reply:

4. Did we ever find out why Ben had a tumour on his spine? when all the other losties seemed to be cured by the island?

It needed to happen from the very start. It was destined. The day after Ben found out about the tumour is the day Oceanic 815 crashed, and Jack was a spinal surgeon. The island made it that way because it was what needed to happen I guess

People are way too trigger happy trying to explain and justify things exactly like this. Using 1 of the following (abbreviated long list):

1. Magical Island
2. Magical electromagnetism
3.destiny
4. never relevant

"The Island made it that way because it was what needed to happen i guess". What does that even mean???? First of all, Jacob has been watching these people their whole lives and he said or implied many times that it was 'he' who brought the Losties to the Island NOT the Island itself bringing them. Ok i better quit now before someone comes back to me with 'well jacob as protector of the island is just carrying out the will of the island'.

In short, the fact that Ben got a spine tumour a day before a spinal surgeon crashed on the island is not destiny or fate. Or the will of the island. The reality is the plane crashed on the island almost 2 seasons before hand, chronologically simple for the writers to subsequently insert the tumour storyline.

Penn

Yes the island was real. Everything that happened to them was real, that's why they meet up in the FST/afterlife timeline, because what happened to them all on and off the island was so important. Even to Penny who was never on the island, because her searching for the island to find Desmond was important to her, because it's how she got Desmond back

the people who left the island just got to carry on with their lives and return to normality. We can only guess at what happened to them. Some could have died within a few years, some may not have died until well into their old age. Dunno, but not too important. They got off the island, that was all that mattered