PaddyPower Bet Scam

loopylo

Hi,

Last Saturday Night, I placed a bet of €100.00 on the virtual dogs, My bet won at odds of 6/1....I brought my docket back to the counter and was told I was 10 Seconds to late on placing the bet and that the wouldnt pay out the winnings...I had an argument with the guy who tried to take my docket off me and give me back my 100.00...when In refused he told me we could take it outside ( as u can guess, I'm a Woman) He told me he wasnt paying out at 6/1 and if I thought about ringing headoffice to complain, he's sort me out! I rang headoffice and they said their system is showing I only put 50.00 on the dog and they require the original betting slip to verify everything.. Number 1: Im a bit nervous handing over the Original, I dont know if this gets 'lost' will the photocopy hold up. & Number 2. I think the guy who took the bet is a con-man.

They shouldnt have taken the bet if I was 'Late'...Am I right???

Bluetonic

What is the amount on the docket at the bottom? (not what you've written on it)

murraymarmalade

IS this post for real?

you said you put 100 euro on a cartoon dog:eek:
in over 20 yrs of gambling ive never heard the likes.

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Mod edit: If anyone doubts the sincerity or content of a post, feel free to use the 'report post' function.

catmelodian

Birds dont bet. Certainly not on the cartoons. Wind up imo.

Aidric

€100 on virtual dogs seems a stretch.

Whyno

Degenerate gambling for the win lads.

Cant wait for virtual "2 flys racing up the wall" to take in the betting shops.I reckon i'll clean up.

PCPhoto

OP - make a copy of the docket and email/fax it to head office....let them investigate it....if they dont pay out .... contact a solicitor....and take your claim to the courts.

if they are willing to accept your bet they should be willing to pay out on it.

UrbanSea

Virtual paint drying is being introduced

Bluetonic

PCPhoto wrote: »

OP - make a copy of the docket and email/fax it to head office....let them investigate it....if they dont pay out .... contact a solicitor....and take your claim to the courts.

if they are willing to accept your bet they should be willing to pay out on it.

A gambling debt would not be entertained as far as the courts.

PCPhoto

Bluetonic wrote: »

A gambling debt would not be entertained as far as the courts.

yes it is .... its a contractual agreement.... and treated as breach of contract.

Bluetonic

PCPhoto wrote: »

yes it is .... its a contractual agreement.... and treated as breach of contract.

No it's not.

Gambling bets are legally unenforceable in court, those are the facts.

twitch1984

Bluetonic wrote: »

A gambling debt would not be entertained as far as the courts.

so howcome ppl have brought cases to court before and won them, will post links as soon as i get them

Bluetonic

twitch1984 wrote: »

so howcome ppl have brought cases to court before and won them, will post links as soon as i get them

Not to bring the thread off topic but I doubt you will find any.

twitch1984

Bluetonic wrote: »

Not to bring the thread off topic but I doubt you will find any.

Sorry my mistake the case I was thinkin of was about a compulsive gambler having a winning bet voided.

Man thats bad law if you cant bring a case aainst a bookie, because basically its breach of contract.

P.S sorry if this is off-topic

Lando Griffin

6/1 on a dog. That really upset the form guide.

Amalgam

I had to Google this.

Virtual Greyhound!

Feel the exuberance of a night out at the tracks from the comfort of your own home. Paddy Power brings you a fixed-odds game based on greyhound racing. The game allows you to bet on an either a 6-dog race or an 8-dog race and then watch the race with high quality animations. There is a wide range of bets available for each race.

http://games.paddypower.com/index.php/Games/readMore/119

Remove the superfluous 'L' to fix the link.

3DataModem

I've seen this before OP.

It sounds like the bookie staff member is on the take. It works like this;

- Punter hands over cash and docket
- instead of entering €100, staff member books bet at €50 and pockets €50
- Bet loses, staff member up 50
- Bet wins, staff member voids bet (ie what he tried with you)

report to head office. They'll be glad you did.

Bluetonic

3DataModem wrote: »

I've seen this before OP.

It sounds like the bookie staff member is on the take. It works like this;

- Punter hands over cash and docket
- instead of entering €100, staff member books bet at €50 and pockets €50
- Bet loses, staff member up 50
- Bet wins, staff member voids bet (ie what he tried with you)

report to head office. They'll be glad you did.

Exactly, which is why I asked my first question.

Always check the amount tendered for the bet when you get your bet back.

wb

Would you accept virtual money as payment? :pac:

Seriously though, this has to be a wind-up.

Bluetonic

wb wrote: »

Seriously though, this has to be a wind-up.

Why? People do place bets of these quantities on VR, even outsider dogs. I've seen a few placed myself.

wb

Bluetonic wrote: »

Why? People do place bets of these quantities on VR, even outsider dogs. I've seen a few placed myself.

Maybe it's not. But it just seems a bit unbelievable that a woman would go in to a bookie and place €100 on a cartoon dog. And then get 'asked outside' when she queries the bet.

I'm open to correction and apologies to the OP if this is not a wind up.

Bluetonic

wb wrote: »

Maybe it's not. But it just seems a bit unbelievable that a woman would go in to a bookie and place €100 on a cartoon dog. And then get 'asked outside' when she queries the bet.

I'm open to correction and apologies to the OP if this is not a wind up.

The asked outside bit is probably a bit unbelievable alright, I forgot that from the original story.

Still I've seen people get stuck into the VR, foolishly of course.

Something tells me at this stage the OP might not be back.

abouttobebanned

Why so people get so obsessed with calling the orignal post a wind up?

Nobody on here has the right to take the piss out of a bet that anyone else does. Her 100 on a virtual bet is just as bad as someone putting 100 on a 24 runner sprint at the curragh. Only difference is that she probably has some chance of winning.

A lo of factors have contributed to the culture of crooked horse trainers but we all know they exist and you tell me the difference between backing a cartoon dog and a horse that definitely won't be winning.

Gambling snobbery, especially on Internet forums, really is hilarious...I saw a chap the other week berating someone for backing a virtual horse and then he went and did the 49s and then a double on golf!

To an outsider looking on, someone backing a virtual horse and someone backing a horse at wolves on a Saturday night, that they nothing about, is exactly the same.

Everyone pretends to be a shrewd punter but only about 1% actually live up to that name. Give up the snobbery...as Jesus himself said when he wad talking about the virtual
camel racing.."he who is without degeneracy - throw the first stone"

Nulty

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Why so people get so obsessed with calling the orignal post a wind up?

Nobody on here has the right to take the piss out of a bet that anyone else does. Her 100 on a virtual bet is just as bad as someone putting 100 on a 24 runner sprint at the curragh. Only difference is that she probably has some chance of winning.

A lo of factors have contributed to the culture of crooked horse trainers but we all know they exist and you tell me the difference between backing a cartoon dog and a horse that definitely won't be winning.

Gambling snobbery, especially on Internet forums, really is hilarious...I saw a chap the other week berating someone for backing a virtual horse and then he went and did the 49s and then a double on golf!

To an outsider looking on, someone backing a virtual horse and someone backing a horse at wolves on a Saturday night, that they nothing about, is exactly the same.

Everyone pretends to be a shrewd punter but only about 1% actually live up to that name. Give up the snobbery...as Jesus himself said when he wad talking about the virtual
camel racing.."he who is without degeneracy - throw the first stone"

In fairness, most people on here will know not to back a horse that may have 'certain question marks' over it. The OP has 10 posts, we get a lot of spoofers in these fora and its reasonable to question such an "interesting" post.

The OP also has financial difficulties which suggest either she has a gambling issue (betting on cartoons) or she full of it.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=64622445&postcount=14

kincsem

I want to know why you picked that dog. Do you have some inside info?

Bluetonic

kincsem wrote: »

I want to know why you picked that dog. Do you have some inside info?

:mad:

wb

Why so people get so obsessed with calling the orignal post a wind up?

Nobody on here has the right to take the piss out of a bet that anyone else does. Her 100 on a virtual bet is just as bad as someone putting 100 on a 24 runner sprint at the curragh. Only difference is that she probably has some chance of winning.

A lo of factors have contributed to the culture of crooked horse trainers but we all know they exist and you tell me the difference between backing a cartoon dog and a horse that definitely won't be winning.

Gambling snobbery, especially on Internet forums, really is hilarious...I saw a chap the other week berating someone for backing a virtual horse and then he went and did the 49s and then a double on golf!

To an outsider looking on, someone backing a virtual horse and someone backing a horse at wolves on a Saturday night, that they nothing about, is exactly the same.

Everyone pretends to be a shrewd punter but only about 1% actually live up to that name. Give up the snobbery...as Jesus himself said when he wad talking about the virtual
camel racing.."he who is without degeneracy - throw the first stone"

The reason I think it's a wind up is because someone 'asked her outside' when she queried the bet. If someone wants to back on virtual racing, I don't really care - it's their money.

And if it is another wind-up, it's just another post that has ruined this once good forum. If not, apologies to the op.

Nulty

wb wrote: »

The reason I think it's a wind up is because someone 'asked her outside' when she queried the bet. If someone wants to back on virtual racing, I don't really care - it's their money.

And if it is another wind-up, it's just another post that has ruined this once good forum. If not, apologies to the op.

AND....this is the Horse Racing forum....not the Greyhound racing forum, the Gambling Forum or Cartoon forum

UrbanSea

3DataModem wrote: »

I've seen this before OP.

It sounds like the bookie staff member is on the take. It works like this;

- Punter hands over cash and docket
- instead of entering €100, staff member books bet at €50 and pockets €50
- Bet loses, staff member up 50
- Bet wins, staff member voids bet (ie what he tried with you)

report to head office. They'll be glad you did.

Does this actually happen much? I'm probably being naive,never even thought of it.

Speak Now

This is a very strange post indeed, looking at her previous posts it seems she's 6 months pregnant (I hope nothing has gone wrong since she last posted in Feb) and she's had a problem paying some debts due to the recession. So at worst we could be be dealing with an almighty scum bag who picks a fight with a pregnant lady and at best we have a young lady with a serious gambling problem if she's complaining about her credit history being runined but still able to afford to throw € 100 on virtual racing.

Goldcupfav

greetings wrote: »

Does this actually happen much? I'm probably being naive,never even thought of it.

I dont know if it happens much but i have worked in a bookmakers in the past and it can quite easily be done.

Morgans

Remember being in a bookies before

Had a few quid on a named horse at 5/2.
Horse wins

Teller: "well done, but i can only pay you on half the stake, as he was a joint favourite"

Me: "Im afraid you are wrong. He may have been joint fav, but the horses name was on the docket. Had I written 'Fav' on the docket, you would have a point, but the horses name is written down"

Teller: No. It doesnt matter. You are only due winnings on half your stake. Do you want me to ring a manager to check?

Me: Yes please

Few lads around the bookies saw the discussion. Not one backed me up.

Teller: No manager available to answer. I stayed at the counter for 15 minutes, holding the docket. Female assistant wanted to give me the money (for half the winnings) She had the good grace to be embarrased for me.

Eventually, didnt bother checking with the manager and goes here, take your money.

Thought the teller initially suffered a rush of sh!te to the brain that we all suffer from now and again, but when telling lads about it who worked in bookies shops (i did myself years ago), said that was a known scam. Surprised by it to be honest. I'd guess it was a 40 or 50 euro stake.

I still find the OP very strange almost unbelievable.

UrbanSea

Morgans wrote: »

Remember being in a bookies before

Had a few quid on a named horse at 5/2.
Horse wins

Teller: "well done, but i can only pay you on half the stake, as he was a joint favourite"

Me: "Im afraid you are wrong. He may have been joint fav, but the horses name was on the docket. Had I written 'Fav' on the docket, you would have a point, but the horses name is written down"

Teller: No. It doesnt matter. You are only due winnings on half your stake. Do you want me to ring a manager to check?

Me: Yes please

Few lads around the bookies saw the discussion. Not one backed me up.

Teller: No manager available to answer. I stayed at the counter for 15 minutes, holding the docket. Female assistant wanted to give me the money (for half the winnings) She had the good grace to be embarrased for me.

Eventually, didnt bother checking with the manager and goes here, take your money.

Thought the teller initially suffered a rush of sh!te to the brain that we all suffer from now and again, but when telling lads about it who worked in bookies shops (i did myself years ago), said that was a known scam. Surprised by it to be honest. I'd guess it was a 40 or 50 euro stake.

I still find the OP very strange almost unbelievable.

What dick would do that on a favourite with a likelihood of it winning?

Morgans

greetings wrote: »

What dick would do that on a favourite with a likelihood of it winning?

The whole scam is that if you write "fav" on your docket, you are legitimtely entitled to half your winnings, if a joint favourite wins. I still think it was a very severe mental blank on part of the shop manager/teller.

UrbanSea

Morgans wrote: »

The whole scam is that if you write "fav" on your docket, you are legitimtely entitled to half your winnings, if a joint favourite wins. I still think it was a very severe mental blank on part of the shop manager/teller.

And you had written it's name? He musn't have been thinking. Sickened him,it's what he deserves. Hope he had to pay the half of the winnings to make the float.

abouttobebanned

A girl in a bookies made a mistake with one of my bet payouts (paid me out full on a dead heat) and the next time I was in there with a winner she took the winnings from me. i remember her coming out from behind the counter to watch the race that I had just backed in - I found that a bit odd to be honest. Horse won, I went up to collect and she said she can't pay me cause she was suspended for making the mistake the last time.

A couple of things about this - She wasn't suspended, that was just a lie. But it became obvious that what she had done was tell head office that she made a mistake and that she would pay back the money. And then she paid it from my winnings. Or she didn't pay it back at all and just pocketed it.

UrbanSea

abouttobebanned wrote: »

A girl in a bookies made a mistake with one of my bet payouts (paid me out full on a dead heat) and the next time I was in there with a winner she took the winnings from me. i remember her coming out from behind the counter to watch the race that I had just backed in - I found that a bit odd to be honest. Horse won, I went up to collect and she said she can't pay me cause she was suspended for making the mistake the last time.

A couple of things about this - She wasn't suspended, that was just a lie. But it became obvious that what she had done was tell head office that she made a mistake and that she would pay back the money. And then she paid it from my winnings. Or she didn't pay it back at all and just pocketed it.

Did you only take the half from her? I would have told her tough luck. Transaction was completed and that bet you had was a new contract and it was accepted as per terms.

abouttobebanned

Well she didn't pay out...I couldn't really jump in over the counter to take it.

I asked her for head office number and she got scared then. She said to me you know you'll probably get me sacked by ringing them. That was laughable. I never rang head office in the end cause I think I would have got her sacked if they knew what she had done.

convert

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Well she didn't pay out...I couldn't really jump in over the counter to take it.

I asked her for head office number and she got scared then. She said to me you know you'll probably get me sacked by ringing them. That was laughable. I never rang head office in the end cause I think I would have got her sacked if they knew what she had done.

And she would have deserved it.

UrbanSea

It would have been good enough for her. I'd politely ask her to hand the rest of the money or head office would be on the phone,simple as.

Speak Now

Morgans wrote: »

Remember being in a bookies before

Had a few quid on a named horse at 5/2.
Horse wins

Teller: "well done, but i can only pay you on half the stake, as he was a joint favourite"

Me: "Im afraid you are wrong. He may have been joint fav, but the horses name was on the docket. Had I written 'Fav' on the docket, you would have a point, but the horses name is written down"

Teller: No. It doesnt matter. You are only due winnings on half your stake. Do you want me to ring a manager to check?

Me: Yes please

Few lads around the bookies saw the discussion. Not one backed me up.

Teller: No manager available to answer. I stayed at the counter for 15 minutes, holding the docket. Female assistant wanted to give me the money (for half the winnings) She had the good grace to be embarrased for me.

Eventually, didnt bother checking with the manager and goes here, take your money.

Thought the teller initially suffered a rush of sh!te to the brain that we all suffer from now and again, but when telling lads about it who worked in bookies shops (i did myself years ago), said that was a known scam. Surprised by it to be honest. I'd guess it was a 40 or 50 euro stake.

I still find the OP very strange almost unbelievable.

Sounds more like they were applying the dead heat rules here

What's the story with lads that just write down the Fav (Apart from gambling for gamblings sake). Do they split stake between joint favs usually or do they go lowest racecard number?

krustydoyle

Trouble with a lot of the Staff is that there not properly trained, a friend of mine worked in a bookies and she noticed that the other staff members were always shorting the customers on bets and pocketing it for themselves so she got out of there because there was always trouble over payouts.

And ive seen many a punter but anything up to €200 and €300 a time on a cartoon dog or horse.. its madness but its there money so let them be imo.

cson

Virtual football is coming in soon; I **** you not. :eek:

krustydoyle

cson wrote: »

Virtual football is coming in soon; I **** you not. :eek:

F**k Off... Seriously??? or do i just sound stupid now??

twitch1984

abouttobebanned wrote: »

A girl in a bookies made a mistake with one of my bet payouts (paid me out full on a dead heat) and the next time I was in there with a winner she took the winnings from me. i remember her coming out from behind the counter to watch the race that I had just backed in - I found that a bit odd to be honest. Horse won, I went up to collect and she said she can't pay me cause she was suspended for making the mistake the last time.

A couple of things about this - She wasn't suspended, that was just a lie. But it became obvious that what she had done was tell head office that she made a mistake and that she would pay back the money. And then she paid it from my winnings. Or she didn't pay it back at all and just pocketed it.

There is a bookies where I bet from time to time and they have a sign up stating that all errors will be rectified even if the error was in the customers favour

squeakyduck

From a person who works in a bookies, I do not find it strange that a GIRL put €100(:eek::eek::eek:) on a virtual dog. I've seen €1000's go on virtual dogs!!

A lot of customers do come up and claim that you should not put the bet on if they have their stake returning. When virtual races go off say at 20.32.33 they go off at that time EXACTLY. There is no leeway. It's like a dog race or a 5f horse race.

Staff cannot watch every race going off as we have to take bets, put them in the system, deal with queries/payouts what have you. I always tell customers that it is their responsibility to come up early for their bets. You should check the official off time on the screen in a paddy powers shop or ask customer service about the off time to the exact second.

As for the stake. I'm not sure about Paddy's but there should be a stake on the bottom of your slip. It is the customers responsibility to check that the stake and everything is correct before leaving the shop/before the race has gone off. If we cannot contact you there is nothing you can do and the cashier either has a cash difference (over or under money depending on how it's staked) or else has put your money in his pocket. If you realised before you left the shop, the problem would have been rectified and the cashier could have done a cash check to ensure you had given the proper stake.

I'm not sure about a photo copy holding up, but if you do know staff in another Paddys shop they could put it through the system and save the number for head office/customer service reference.

bit of a bogey

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

looking at her previous posts it seems she's 6 months pregnant (I hope nothing has gone wrong since she last posted in Feb) and she's had a problem paying some debts due to the recession. So at worst we could be be dealing with an almighty scum bag who picks a fight with a pregnant lady and at best we have a young lady with a serious gambling problem if she's complaining about her credit history being runined but still able to afford to throw € 100 on virtual racing.

Made me Laugh!!:D

Speak Now

cson wrote: »

Virtual football is coming in soon; I **** you not. :eek:

Ladbrokes extra have that with years