Does Pro Tools LE have basic delay compensation?

SeanHurley

Hi guys,

does PTLE have basic delay compensation for plugins as long as the delay caused by inserting the plugin is within the hardware buffer setting? i.e. if a plugin causes a delay of 60 samples and your hardware buffer is 512 samples PTLE will automatically compensate for this but if the plugin delay was 600 samples at the same hardware buffer setting it would not be compensated.

PaulBrewer

I believe not -

Ya have to advance your track by plug delay amount.

I can think of nothing more enjoyable ...

ZV Yoda

In short - no, PTLE doesn't have Automatic Delay Compensation. You can adjust manually using the Digi time adjuster plug-in, but you'll need to have your calculator handy to add/subtract samples as you go. Other than that, you can try moving waveforms around...

... either solution is likely to drive you round the bend. It did with me, so now I just stick with plug-ins that have no (or as good as no) latency.

It's a real PITA. See this thread also...

SeanHurley

that's what I thought I just have a vague recollection of reading on the DUC that there is some basic delay compensation.

I hate the dreaded nudging whilst mixing, especially if you are auditioning different plugins of different latencies as having to work out your manual delay compensation is a pain and really upsets the flow you find yourself in.

I know there is that Mellowmuse delay thing but I found that to be a melt to use if you want to use busses at all.

ZV Yoda

SeanHurley wrote: »

that's what I thought I just have a vague recollection of reading on the DUC that there is some basic delay compensation.

I hate the dreaded nudging whilst mixing, especially if you are auditioning different plugins of different latencies as having to work out your manual delay compensation is a pain and really upsets the flow you find yourself in.

I know there is that Mellowmuse delay thing but I found that to be a melt to use if you want to use busses at all.

Yip... I looked into Mellowmuse too... it was too much like hard work for me.

To be honest, I now consider no ADC to be a real blessing. It's the perfect cure for "software acquisition syndrome". I bought the full versions of both IK TrackS 1 and 3 before I understood about plug-in latency . In most cases, I can’t use the IK compressors (not on drums anyway) because of the latency introduced. It’s even worse if I try to parallel compress. EQs/reverbs are fine as latency is not an issue for those (in practice).

So, now I know there’s no point in buying any "latency introducing" plug-ins because it’s not practical for me to use them. Also, since I have an iMac, I can’t even use DSP cards because the iMac has no expansion slots to plug them into.

All of this means I have to really learn how to use the plug-ins/gear I already have.

So is a bright side to no ADC in PT LE – it saves you a fortune & forces you to get the best use out of your existing plug-ins!

PaulBrewer

ZV Yoda wrote: »

Also, since I have an iMac, I can’t even use DSP cards because the iMac has no expansion slots to plug them into.

SSL Duende ?

ZV Yoda

PaulBrewer wrote: »

SSL Duende ?

Possibly (if I was in the market for DSP plug-ins)... but I think I read somewhere there's still some latency... possibly due to the limited speed of the FW buss?... dunno for sure, I'm no expert

SeanHurley

I think I might try using a hybrid system of tracking and editing in PT and then exporting the files into Logic to mix.

Is there anyone else doing that? I haven't done any serious mixing in Logic to be honest - is there any pitfalls in comparison to PT LE?

eigenboggle

SeanHurley wrote: »

I think I might try using a hybrid system of tracking and editing in PT and then exporting the files into Logic to mix.

Is there anyone else doing that? I haven't done any serious mixing in Logic to be honest - is there any pitfalls in comparison to PT LE?

Hey Sean. I have recently been applying that hybrid system. I have been tracking/editing in Pro Tools and mixing in Logic.

The sessions are demo's for a mates band. I tracked/edited in Pro Tools for speed and ease of use due to experience. And I have been mixing in Logic just to get my head around it really.

Been going great so far, no pitfalls compared to PT LE. The only problem I have with logic is that I am faster using Pro Tools. But that will soon change. One thing I have noticed is that logic runs smooth and seems more stable. No unexpected crashes etc. Well none so far anyway.

I'll be sticking with PT HD on bigger sessions for the moment, but could definitely see a move to Logic in the future. I can't really justify learning new software while a client is paying by the hour and expecting a result sooner rather than later.

PaulBrewer

ZV Yoda wrote: »

Possibly (if I was in the market for DSP plug-ins)... but I think I read somewhere there's still some latency... possibly due to the limited speed of the FW buss?... dunno for sure, I'm no expert

That's one of the things sorted in the V3 software I believe.

SeanHurley

eigenboggle wrote: »

Hey Sean. I have recently been applying that hybrid system. I have been tracking/editing in Pro Tools and mixing in Logic.

The sessions are demo's for a mates band. I tracked/edited in Pro Tools for speed and ease of use due to experience. And I have been mixing in Logic just to get my head around it really.

Been going great so far, no pitfalls compared to PT LE. The only problem I have with logic is that I am faster using Pro Tools. But that will soon change. One thing I have noticed is that logic runs smooth and seems more stable. No unexpected crashes etc. Well none so far anyway.

I'll be sticking with PT HD on bigger sessions for the moment, but could definitely see a move to Logic in the future. I can't really justify learning new software while a client is paying by the hour and expecting a result sooner rather than later.

Cool, thanks for that. I have only dabbled with Logic myself and I am considerably slower using it but I think I might give the hybrid system a whirl. Mixing in PTLE is, in my opinion, less creative than it should be and it seems, at least for mixing, that logic eradicates a lot of the issues that cause PTLE to be so frustrating.

Tracking and editing is another beast however. IMHO Logic is far more clunky on this aspect.

Fingers crossed that the long gap since there has been an update for PT from Avid/Digi (we are still on 8.0.3 over 18 months after the initial release) means that there is a radical over haul happening. My guess is that unfortunately this is not the case and the restructuring within Avid has caused the delay.

DamagedTrax

PaulBrewer wrote: »

That's one of the things sorted in the V3 software I believe.

shame they broke a few other things with it though :rolleyes:

DamagedTrax

SeanHurley wrote: »

Cool, thanks for that. I have only dabbled with Logic myself and I am considerably slower using it but I think I might give the hybrid system a whirl. Mixing in PTLE is, in my opinion, less creative than it should be and it seems, at least for mixing, that logic eradicates a lot of the issues that cause PTLE to be so frustrating.

Tracking and editing is another beast however. IMHO Logic is far more clunky on this aspect.

Fingers crossed that the long gap since there has been an update for PT from Avid/Digi (we are still on 8.0.3 over 18 months after the initial release) means that there is a radical over haul happening. My guess is that unfortunately this is not the case and the restructuring within Avid has caused the delay.

m-powered hd FTW :D:D

if i was on a mac i'd definitly have to give it a try at least.

digi better buck up now!