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How influential was the Catholic Church in Irish censorship?

  • 21-05-2010 08:32PM
    #1
    Dragons Revenge
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    I'm just curious.


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  • #2
    El Weirdo
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    Well influential. I reckon.


  • #3
    Corkfeen
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    Extremely, they did decide what was right and wrong for the irish people for many years.... :D Just have no idea how we lived without porn for so many years.......... :)


  • #4
    Biggins
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    Big time.


  • #5
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Biggins wrote: »
    Big time.
    Word.


  • #6
    mikom
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    Dragons Revenge wrote: »
    How influential was the Catholic Church in Irish censorship?


    Very influential.
    They covered up their sexual urges with lies; secrecy, propaganda and censorship.
    Whereas most of us just use a tissue.


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  • #7
    jd007
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Big time.
    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Word.

    Indeed.


  • #8
    Pacing Mule
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    Life Of Brian = Answer


  • #9
    El Weirdo
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Big time.
    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Word.
    jd007 wrote: »
    Indeed.
    Quite.


  • #10
    rovert
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    Are talking sexual abuse of children or art?

    The answer to both is VERY


  • #11
    phasers
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    Hey DCU student, exam tomorrow by any chance?


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  • #12
    brianthebard
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    (if this is for an exam then I'm not helping!) edit.


  • #13
    El Weirdo
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    brianthebard wrote: »
    Its an interesting question, and a bit more complex than people might think. The censorship act of 1926/9(?) was the culmination of campaigns run by both Protestant and Catholic organisations dating back to at least 1912, probably a bit earlier. The Catholic Church did have a huge influence on having contraception and ads for it banned for many years.
    Back to History & Heritage with your proper answers.:pac:

    Edit: Ninja fail.


  • #14
    Hank_Jones
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    They previously had massive say, on pretty much everything.
    Films, music, books etc.

    Thankfully things have changed.


  • #15
    Latchy
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    Very much so .There is a chapter in the RTE Seven ages tv series ,Ireland from the 1920's to the 1980's , that not only deals with censorship in Ireland but covers the overall power and influence the church had in Ireland during and after the founding of the state .

    (the RTE Seven ages tv series ,Ireland from the 1920's to the 1980's can be viewed in it's entirety on YouTube )


  • #16
    fontanalis
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    Has anyone seen The Passion of St Tibilus? There's your answer.


  • #17
    Dragons Revenge
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    phasers wrote: »
    Hey DCU student, exam tomorrow by any chance?

    Maybe...

    *bolts*


  • #18
    Karl Hungus
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Big time.
    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Word.
    jd007 wrote: »
    Indeed.
    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Quite.

    Init bruv.


  • #19
    chughes
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    If you read John Cooney's biography of John Charles McQuaid, Archbishop of Dublin from 1942 to 1972, you'll see just how much influence the Catholic church had back then. Huge numbers of books never saw the bookshelves because they were deemed inappropriate and many films weren't screened either for the same reason.


  • #20
    Overheal
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    You guys have boobs on TV after 11

    we cant even say God-Damn it on TV.


  • #21
    Latchy
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    Overheal wrote: »
    You guys have boobs on TV after 11

    we cant even say God-Damn it on TV.

    On TV ? hey we even have them bouncing down the street here , check out the Cleavage thread


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  • #22
    Dragons Revenge
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    Overheal wrote: »
    You guys have boobs on TV after 11

    we cant even say God-Damn it on TV.

    9, actually... depends on the channel though :)

    Carolinas?


  • #23
    strobe
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    Very, but it is unfair to single Catholicism out in relation to censorship. Pretty much every other religion, in every other place, has been just as influencial in the propogation of censorship as the catholic church has been in Ireland. I wouldn't even particuarly blame religion.....for once. Every "thing" that finds a way to put itself in power is in favour of censorship. Power leads to conservatism, conservatism leads to censorship...and round and round we go.


  • #24
    Paddy Samurai
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    Little or no influence now days,or if they have no impact.Not worth talking about .You can watch any film you want,read any book you want and access any type of porn you want.So censorship be damned!.


  • #25
    Dragons Revenge
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    strobe wrote: »
    Very, but it is unfair to single Catholicism out in relation to censorship. Pretty much every other religion, in every other place, has been just as influencial in the propogation of censorship as the catholic church has been in Ireland. I wouldn't even particuarly blame religion.....for once. Every "thing" that finds a way to put itself in power is in favour of censorship. Power leads to conservatism, conservatism leads to censorship...and round and round we go.

    I get that. The US constitution was based on Christian values. I'm not asking if the Catholic church was "to blame" for censorship. I'm thinking catholic values were influential in the creation of the Irish free state, thus being influential in what is decent or indecent to Irish society. I think early on it was more prominient, but later censorship was more political.

    Do you know what I mean? It's hard for me to really discuss this cos well, I'm not Irish.


  • #26
    Bolag_the_2nd
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    Sorry i fell asleep, where are we at?


  • #27
    mike65
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    The influence was utterly pernicious, the censorship of publications board came with a two free Clergy (one from each flock).


  • #28
    Latchy
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    Dragons Revenge wrote: »
    I get that. The US constitution was based on Christian values. I'm not asking if the Catholic church was "to blame" for censorship. I'm thinking catholic values were influential in the creation of the Irish free state, thus being influential in what is decent or indecent to Irish society. I think early on it was more prominient, but later censorship was more political.

    Do you know what I mean? It's hard for me to really discuss this cos well, I'm not Irish.

    Yes it was more political because religion and politics always went hand in hand in Ireland and up till recently still did , one was always heavily influenced by the other .


  • #29
    El Weirdo
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Big time.
    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Word.
    jd007 wrote: »
    Indeed.
    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Quite.
    Karl Hungus wrote: »
    Init bruv.
    True dat.


  • #30
    ejmaztec
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    Latchy wrote: »
    ......religion and education always went knob in arse in Ireland and up till recently still did

    After politics and religion, there than has to be religion and education, so I've butchered your post accordingly.


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  • #31
    Latchy
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    ejmaztec wrote: »
    After politics and religion, there than has to be religion , Indoctrination and Education and so I've butchered your post accordingly.

    Seemingly I have done the same


  • #32
    goat2
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    Dragons Revenge wrote: »
    I'm just curious.
    it ran the country, made big bucks


  • #33
    phasers
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    El Weirdo wrote: »
    True dat.
    Holla


  • #34
    Stinicker
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    Well they managed to censor the rape and abuse of little children for decades, so I'd say they were pretty influential.


  • #35
    El Siglo
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    This is a good article on banned stuff in Ireland.
    Most of the leading writers of modern fiction from Britain, America, and continental Europe (English translations only)--Proust, Nabokov, Boll, Huxley, Zola, Mann, Greene, Malraux, Steinbeck, Faulkner, Hemingway, H. G. Wells, Dylan Thomas, to name a random selection...

    The list of banned Irish authors in the 1930s and 1940s reads like a 'Who's Who' of Irish literature. It includes James Joyce, Samuel Beckett, George Bernard Shaw, Sean O'Casey, Liam O'Flaherty, Sean O Faolain, Frank O'Connor, Francis Stuart, Austin Clarke, George Moore, Kate O'Brien, Norah Hoult, Oliver St John Gogarty, Maura Laverty, and Walter Macken.

    Essentially, if it wasn't in line with the Catholic Church or more accurately prudish Victorian era decorum, it was banned.


  • #36
    CrazyRabbit
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    Edit : This comment has been removed at the request of the Catholic Church...


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  • #37
    Zangetsu
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    Years ago in the smaller towns around the country before a film was shown in the local cinema it would have to be watched and approved by the local priest. If he deemed it to be inappropriate in any way it wouldn't make it to the screen.

    The catholic church was a huge part of how Irish culture was formed over the years and its only now that the church has lost its grip over Irish people.

    AFAIK the old version of the IFCO (Irish Film Censor) was headed by a bishop.


  • #38
    rossie1977
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    christianity has a huge role to play in stuff like censorship and prohibition in western nations not just ireland


  • #39
    Mike 1972
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    OP check out the Wikipedia article on Censorship in the Republic of Ireland.

    Why does a supposedly modern democratic country still have a censorship of publications board ?


  • #40
    seraphimvc
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    very.but doesnt apply to wimmin walking in dublin to nightclub.


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