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Ableton question

  • 21-05-2010 7:00am
    #1
    krd
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭


    Ableton is sending the wrong note to my external midi devices.

    When I pencil a G0 in Ableton, it plays as G1 on my Roland box.

    I'm not sure what is happening - whether Roland are using a different standard or Ableton is - I can't find anything in the Ableton preferences that will let me switch.

    Is my external stuff set at the wrong MIDI standard.

    It's a real pain - certain tools I can't use because of the difference.

    There's also something else I've noticed. I have a Roland D2 . If I create a very simple drum pattern - 4 kicks - and hi-hats in between. It sounds perceptibly different when it's played through Ableton - then when the same pattern is played by the D2's internal sequencer. What is happening?


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  • #2
    MilanPan!c
    Site Banned Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭MilanPan!c


    krd wrote: »
    Ableton is sending the wrong note to my external midi devices.

    When I pencil a G0 in Ableton, it plays as G1 on my Roland box.

    I'm not sure what is happening - whether Roland are using a different standard or Ableton is - I can't find anything in the Ableton preferences that will let me switch.

    Is my external stuff set at the wrong MIDI standard.

    It's a real pain - certain tools I can't use because of the difference.

    There's also something else I've noticed. I have a Roland D2 . If I create a very simple drum pattern - 4 kicks - and hi-hats in between. It sounds perceptibly different when it's played through Ableton - then when the same pattern is played by the D2's internal sequencer. What is happening?

    Quantize turned on?

    That could def change the drums... But, the transposition... Hmm... When you say it plays G1... Are you hearing that back out through the keyboard... Or on a virtuall instrument in Ableton?


  • #3
    Neurojazz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭Neurojazz


    krd wrote: »
    There's also something else I've noticed. I have a Roland D2 . If I create a very simple drum pattern - 4 kicks - and hi-hats in between. It sounds perceptibly different when it's played through Ableton - then when the same pattern is played by the D2's internal sequencer. What is happening?

    That is probably note lengths, try extending the end of the notes in ableton and they should sound ok - if not, then it's probably down to Rx and Tx disparity.


  • #4
    krd
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭krd


    MilanPan!c wrote: »
    Quantize turned on?

    That could def change the drums... But, the transposition... Hmm... When you say it plays G1... Are you hearing that back out through the keyboard... Or on a virtuall instrument in Ableton?

    If I use a virtual instrument in Ableton - like a drum kit, or synth. G1 will play as G1 (that's a G1 on the clip - I haven't tried with a midi keyboard - my Midi Keyboard is at someone else's house)

    The same thing happens with two different Roland external devices I use (a D2 and an MC 505) both are off by an octave. Which is a real pain from many reasons.

    I've known about it for a while - either Ableton is sending the wrong note externally, or there is some different midi standard that's an octave off, being used by Roland.

    I


  • #5
    krd
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭krd


    Neurojazz wrote: »
    That is probably note lengths, try extending the end of the notes in ableton and they should sound ok - if not, then it's probably down to Rx and Tx disparity.

    No it's not note lengths. I would do each pattern identically.

    It's something else.

    Both patterns would be the same, but say the Hi-hat pattern as played by the internal sequencer would sound just that little bit better.

    You know when can hear an "offness" - but in theory, from everything you've done, it shouldn't be there.


  • #6
    MilanPan!c
    Site Banned Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭MilanPan!c


    krd wrote: »
    No it's not note lengths. I would do each pattern identically.

    It's something else.

    Both patterns would be the same, but say the Hi-hat pattern as played by the internal sequencer would sound just that little bit better.

    You know when can hear an "offness" - but in theory, from everything you've done, it shouldn't be there.

    Any chance you could post samples of the drum differences?

    Actually hey, look here:

    http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56318


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  • #7
    krd
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭krd


    MilanPan!c wrote: »
    Any chance you could post samples of the drum differences?

    Actually hey, look here:

    http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56318

    Milan thanks for the link. it's probably something I'm doing wrong.

    Have you ever tried reading a Roland manual - they're translated directly from the original Japanese Haiku,


    Could you ask me again about posting the samples - I'm interested to seem them myself but it's a bit of a headache the way I have my set up (or not set up). I have seen stuff before where people have taken screenshots of waves - and it does look like Roland put some weirdness/accenting into their sequencers and stuff.


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