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There are skins all over the place

  • 20-05-2010 8:10pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭


    Thursday 29/04/10

    Tuesday night I received a text from John, who I go shooting with regularly. "Things are really bad at Stephens place, Tom said skins all over the place, what night you able to come up, we try to put a stop to the killing". Stephen and Tom are two of Johns brothers. Because of prior commitments, Thursday was the earliest I could be anywhere.

    Tonight I headed for Johns house, we'd make the rest of the journey together in his van. He had both of his batteries charged so meant business, I've just the one 18amp battery this year. On the way he was telling me what had been happening. "Stephen and Tom have been out, but they can't get near enough the foxes with the shotguns".

    Now, the lay of the land. This holding is a vast expanse of bog with a few hills in it that are made up of improved land. Apart from the perimeter fence surrounding the place and the handling pens there are no fences. The weather isn't as much of a problem as I had been thinking, it's over cast with intermittent showers, so that's helped hide most of the big moon that's out, and there's a half decent breeze up. It's too warm and yet again I find myself over dressed.

    There are two access roads coming in off the main road, within the holding there is one long semi paved road and numerous grassy track ways and paths. Tom has gone in ahead of us and stationed himself upon the top of the largest hill in the place. John and I have come in the other road and as we're heading towards our parking up spot I spy a fox along the top of a ridge. We're out of the van and try the caller and have a walk after it but no joy and we don't spot it again.

    As we're finishing up looking for that fox Tom rings John, there are a pair of foxes heading towards him. I should say he's just got a shotgun, plus he's a long way off. By the time I get there, John's gone off the other side of the hill, there's just the one fox. He's well out on a flat and doesn't come in to play.

    We all stationed ourselves around the big hill Tom had been on, after a while there's a lamp flashed at me. Two more foxes spotted the other side of the hill, away we all go. Getting around the hill I can only see one fox's eyes, and it's also well out. But, it's moving steadily right to left across me. We move along the hill side to track it, losing it for a while. At the left hand end of our hill we hang around for a while. Tom spots a very bright set of eyes on a fenced hill with an area of bushes on it a few hundred yards from us. "They den in those bushes, the neighbours don't mind us going in there".

    There's a bog track heading almost from where we are to the edge of the hillock the fox is on. "But, you won't see them over those bushes". "I think it's worth a look, I'm going to head down a piece along that track". The fox watches me as I creep down the hill and onto the track. I've a spot picked out which I think will be OK for a shot if I can reach it. With a bit of luck I spot an even better raised area just on the side of the track farther on, I chance my arm and make it there.

    The Leica tells me I'm 153 yards from the bushes, the fox is just down the hill in front of the enough to present me with a good backstop, any farther up the hill and I doubt I'd have taken the shot, as I don't know what's behind those bushes. Taking aim I place a bullet behind the fox's left shoulder and it drops instantly.

    Then all hell broke loose.

    As soon as I had the shot off I see a second set of eyes, right beside that fox which neither Tom nor I had seen from the big hill. This fox is doing a lot of moving around in the bushes. I can see it a few times but I can't take the shot because I've no good backstop. I stay where I am, and after a couple of minutes I can see the fox starting to move cautiously down the hill towards the fox I've just shot.

    My eyes must be playing tricks on me, this new fox looks very far away. At least that's what my scope rule is telling me "Small = far away!". I grab the Leica again, no, the bushes are 153 yards away all the time, and this fox is in front of those same bushes. I check the magnification on my scope, yes, it's set to the normal 8x, I check the fox, still very small, I range again, still 153 yards!

    Whatever the story is here it's high time I do something about this second fox. I'm sure of my range so I wait until it's sniffing the shot fox and place another Vmax, dropping the second fox instantly. Without thinking, I hear myself saying "Ah, here, come on!" out loud. I see a set of eyes dart away from where I know for sure one fox is lying. I'm going through the usual process, "Did I wing or miss that second fox? No, can't have. Is there a third fox? Has to be!. Again I wait for my third fox to come out of the bushes, it comes down from the bushes quicker than the second one and a third Vmax bowls it over too.

    Tom comes down off the hill and meets me on the track, "Did you get him?", he says, thinking I was shooting at the same fox all of the time! "I got all three...".

    (It still hasn't dawned on me through the action these are two cubs, as you all have no doubt worked out by now).

    We took a walk over to inspect the damage. As we're walking up the hill towards the bushes, I see the first fox laid out, then I glance and see the second fox laid out. Wondering where the third fella is I'm about to say to Tom, "Wouldn't surprise me if there's a third fox laid out not far from these two", when I finally see the first fox I shot was the vixen and these are her two cubs lying beside her, a young dog and vixen.

    We retreat from the bushes back to our hill. For the rest of the night we keep a sharp eye on those bushes, in case another cub would come out. In any case we see no more eyes beside the vixen so I reckon she had just those two.

    We have more action with another four sets of eyes, but no joy to be had with them this night.

    Afterwards we're all back over looking the vixen. I head back down to my spot on the track. Tom has seen a fox out on the flat heading towards there from what now would be behind where I am. We don't see it again, but Tom spots yet another fox coming out of the bushes low down out of my sight, I get the lamp flashed at me again.

    This fox is coming into me lovely and I'm down and have the rifle ready. The fox comes to the stand alone remains of a turf bank and promptly disappears on me. John and Tom can still see it from the hill and John starts moving down the hill well off to the left. I can't see what's going on, so I stay put in case the fox comes back at me. I see John walking through the bog, then I hear a loud dull kerthump as he fires the 12gauge. A dog fox well accounted for at 35 yards.

    Tom's lost the hat his sister brought home from Australia for him. So John and myself head up one side of the hill searching for it while Tom heads around the other side. We're just talking about how hard it is to keep track of the foxes here, with all the cut away turf brinks and small hillocks for them to walk a hundred yards of so behind completely hidden, when John spots yet another fox!

    There's a rough path running along the base of the hill, we're on it heading in the direction of this new fox. I know I'll get a decent spot at the side of it for a shot, but, we've got a big problem. The wind is going diagonally from us across out the flat towards where the fox is heading.

    We pick our spot, ranging the fox at around 190 yards. It promptly vanishes behind one of those brinks. It pops up again, I don't know how it didn't wind us, and as it's considering hopping a stream I squeeze off the fourth Vmax of the night. Our second adult dog fox.

    By the time we'd collected all our foxes for the photo and got back to Tom I was fit only to have a snooze on the ground in the rain! Tom headed off in the Jeep, John and I had a long walk back to his van, spotting another fox on the way. A long but productive night, hopefully we got the right ones.

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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,979 ✭✭✭Eddie B


    Another productive night with the lamp John! Excelent write up!;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭Spannerman7


    A valuable service there John, well done and nice write up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,679 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    Good shooting there John, there must be some plague of foxes around your neck of the woods. The cubs look solid as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭thebull09


    I love to see a new thread johngalway, i always know im in for a story and a great story at that, keep them coming john


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭sikastag


    Spot on John. Great read. Some excitment id say, LOTS of eyes in one area. No better pony for keeping a cool head!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭endasmail


    good shooting john
    that place up there must be alive with foxes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭welsummer


    well done, big lumps of cubs.
    whats the red button on the end of you scope


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    welsummer wrote: »
    well done, big lumps of cubs.
    whats the red button on the end of you scope

    He has Butler creek scope caps. the red thing releases the cap.
    Very handy they are.
    I use them on my scopes too..Stops rain and mist getting on the lens


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭welsummer


    thought so!!
    i use to use them , but i found that if any rain got inside them and you closed the cap that they would fog up something terrible.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    welsummer wrote: »
    thought so!!
    i use to use them , but i found that if any rain got inside them and you closed the cap that they would fog up something terrible.

    I only use the fore end or large one.

    the Nightforce scopes vari part moves the entire end so I find the cap on that end a nuisance.

    Butler creek make good stuff.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    I've a use for both caps. The small cap on the ocular lens is there mostly to protect the lens itself from scratches, accidents can happen and that would be an expensive one. The large cap on the objective lens end is pretty much there to keep rain off the lens when I have the rifle slung. The length of the sunshade pretty much negates the scratch issue unless something really unlucky were to happen.

    The only time I find the lid of the small cap is an issue is when I am zooming up to 22x to check bullet holes when zeroing. But that happens so rarely as not to be an issue!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭yog1


    as always a great and inspiring read, one day i hope to be half as successful and capable hunter as you,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭ssl


    Great shooting, great write up!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭vermin hunter


    lovely read john that cheered me up for the day


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,031 ✭✭✭deeksofdoom


    Well done John, another 5 down, are we ever going to win the war against those ginger bastards?:eek:....... and they said we'ld be home for christmas!:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭clivej


    Good read again John.

    Did you get any photo's of the damage they were doing to the sheep herd?

    As I've said before theres a fox farm near you and the ANTI's are releasing them bit by bit.;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    I didn't Clive, there's a den, but it's in a huge rhododendron jungle. I didn't bother with photos of bits around the place as we were too busy on the night. Next night we were there was just nasty, cold, wet, windy & late and being honest about I just wanted the hell out of there that night.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭mallards


    Great read John. I'm amazed by the sheer numbers of foxes out your way, it can't be natural!

    Mallards


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭clivej


    mallards wrote: »
    Great read John. I'm amazed by the sheer numbers of foxes out your way, it can't be natural!

    Mallards

    A lot of the ladies are wearing fox fur coats in the local Saloon bar near John. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭wildlifeboy


    could you not take a break during cubbing season, that read upset me. poor little fella's. you are what gives hunters a bad name.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭jap gt


    could you not take a break during cubbing season, that read upset me. poor little fella's. you are what gives hunters a bad name.

    why is it giving hunters a bad name, a neighbour asked him to help out, he shot the foxes problem solved, its things like this that give hunters a good name if you ask me, its about protecting livelyhoods not sport


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,679 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    could you not take a break during cubbing season, that read upset me. poor little fella's. you are what gives hunters a bad name.
    Did you read the thread title?
    That might give you a clue as to what John was doing out there in the middle of the night and the next night.
    I don't think it was for sport more to try and solve the problem on the farm that was plagued with foxes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    CJhaughey wrote: »
    Did you read the thread title?
    That might give you a clue as to what John was doing out there in the middle of the night and the next night.
    I don't think it was for sport more to try and solve the problem on the farm that was plagued with foxes.

    I think wildlife boys real name is Tree Hugger :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭dicky82


    Well done John, another 5 down, are we ever going to win the war against those ginger bastards?:eek:....... and they said we'ld be home for christmas!:rolleyes:

    ay ay us gingers have a hard enough time of it as it is what with dodging the sun and being mistaken for duracel batteries and now being called bastards:rolleyes::D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭dicky82


    cracking read john. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    could you not take a break during cubbing season, that read upset me. poor little fella's. you are what gives hunters a bad name.

    I disagree with shooting foxes for sport or for game bird protection during the cubbing season but John was helping a neighbour protect his livestock = his livelihood. Foxes have benefited greatly from human farming activity, but have to pay the price when they become a problem for the farmer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 315 ✭✭pajero2005


    could you not take a break during cubbing season, that read upset me. poor little fella's. you are what gives hunters a bad name.

    Maybe the Nature & Bird Watching Fourm might be more your cup of tea ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭clivej


    Your an awful man John Galway trying to protect your livelihood an all.

    Its only cos of the green welly brigade that we have any areas left to shoot over at all ( :D ) fare play to 'em. ;)

    treehugger.jpg


    But I like this tree hugger better

    3419525672_fa24046110.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    Great stuff John, I haven't had the opportunity to take a fox yet, however, your stories make great reading. The nearest I got was scaring one away, he was trying to have one on my pigeons away. I fired over him as I didn't think the shot I was using would produce a clean kill. Pity I didn't have the rifle with me that day.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    could you not take a break during cubbing season, that read upset me. poor little fella's. you are what gives hunters a bad name.

    If you get upset that easy, it might be best to stay away from a hunting forum. If your are that sensitive this really is not the place for you. Coming here is like a person with OCD [of the hygiene type] entering a very messy place, it will not be good for them


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