Islam's war on Freedom?

darkman2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIq7tsVvEoY

Let's leave aside for the moment the fact that other religions have issues too i.e in the Catholic Church where buggering children and denying it afterward has become a popular past time amongst the institution - or the Jewish faith which think it can kick others off land and persecute and oppress them just because they can.....

That guy does make some very valid points about Islam and the Western World. At least other religions tolerate freedom of speech - which I think is what seperates Islam from most of the others. The other obvious point being that Islam is spreading like wildfire and is an enormous religion in it's own right.

If things keep going the way they are through immigration and growth in the religion then inevitably - it may take decades - it will become the dominant religion even in the West. At that point what happens to all the rights women, for example, fought long and hard to get. It's ironic that feminists in particular are the biggest advocates of tolerance towards others - Is this not tolerance of the intolerant? Won't these freedoms gradually be erroded as more and more Muslims get into posistions of Government in the West? And one day - like I say in the distant future - won't this come back at us very hard in the West?

Cookie_Monster

The're just going through their version of the crusades, another hundred years or so and they'll settle down to child abuse and rape just like the christians

OutlawPete

darkman2 wrote: »

won't this come back at us very hard in the West?

Yes.

Kasabian

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

The're just going through their version of the crusades, another hundred years or so and they'll settle down to child abuse and rape just like the christians

I am a Christian , I haven't abused or raped anyone.

AnonoBoy

Some ol' fellah ranting on Youtube.

Deadly!

That's on my must-watch list.

The_Kew_Tour

I think the man is spot on. We need to start treating this very serious.

I have been to many islam countries in past through my former job and the treatment especially of women is nothing short of disgusting.

Ireland has downfalls but by god these countries are miles behind when comes to knowing how treat everybody as equal.

The_Kew_Tour

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Some ol' fellah ranting on Youtube.

Deadly!

That's on my must-watch list.

You just did by sounds of it

Cookie_Monster

Kasabian wrote: »

I am a Christian , I haven't abused or raped anyone.

and not all Muslims are terrorists but I like to generalise

Kasabian

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

and not all Muslims are terrorists but I like to generalise

Fair enough

Orange69

darkman2 wrote: »

It's ironic that feminists in particular are the biggest advocates of tolerance towards others - Is this not tolerance of the intolerant? Won't these freedoms gradually be erroded as more and more Muslims get into posistions of Government in the West?

This is one of the few aspects of this whole disaster that gives me some sick delight... All the rabid liberal feminists are setting their daughters(daughters) up for a pretty nasty situation. They will realize this as they get older and wiser, like most liberals. But the damage is done at this point.

"If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain."

brianthebard

Ridiculous OP is ridiculous.

wonton

Kasabian wrote: »

I am a Christian , I haven't abused or raped anyone.

reminds me of this..........

2:10 onwards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui6-Wc0PDc4

Killer Pigeon

How about 'Freedom's' war on Islam?

Nodin

darkman2 wrote: »

Won't these freedoms gradually be erroded as more and more Muslims get into posistions of Government in the West?

This presumes that all muslims are (a) the same (b) radical/fundamentalist (c) immune to integration.

rovert

darkman2 wrote: »

At least other religions tolerate freedom of speech - which I think is what seperates Islam from most of the others.

Oh you theologian, you

old hippy

Nodin wrote: »

This presumes that all muslims are (a) the same (b) radical/fundamentalist (c) immune to integration.

Indeed. None of the muslims I knew back in Dublin were in any way radical. Mind you, none of them were in Govt

Pauleta

I agree with this mans opinion. We as lovers of freedom, liberty and democracy need to unite beyond nationalities and class divides to support the people who are fighting for freedom. We must destroy islamic extremists through all means necessary and gain the support of moderate muslims.

The likes of Saudi Arabia will self destruct when the oil runs out but in my opinion the Pakistani taliban are the single most threatening issue to the world today. If they take control of Pakistan and their nuclear arsenal it could be the end of life as we know it. The far left nut jobs should be ignored as they are as bad as a problem as the extremists.

starbelgrade

I listened to 30 secs of the video clip, and decided to stop after hearing this...

Just when you thought the United Nations couldn't get any worse, something called the Organisation of Islamic Conference which is a fancy way of saying 'a Saudi funded cartel of Islamic dictaorships' has been allowed to highjack the United Nations Human Rights Foundation, thus rendering it instantly & permanently worthless.

Basically because the ranting old man hasn't got a f*cking clue what he's talking about & if he is basing his argument on falsehoods or 'facts' made up to suit his own agenda, then there is really no point in either listening to his lies or having a debate on the subject based on his unbased rantings.

Simply put, The Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) is an international organisation with a permanent delegation to the United Nations. It groups 57 member states, from the Middle East, Africa, Central Asia, Caucasus, Balkans, Southeast Asia, South Asia and South America (Guyana and Suriname).

If this group is a 'a Saudi funded cartel of Islamic dictaorships', then I am the Pope.

On top of that, the United Nations Human Rights Council has been very vocally, one of the OIC's biggest critics, especially when it comes to the human rights issues in Israel.

If we are going to have a debate on the spread of Islam, then fine, I am open to discussion. If we are going to have a debate based on the lies & ramblings of am old man with a webcam & a personal agenda, then I shall not be taking part.

old hippy

Pauleta wrote: »

I agree with this mans opinion. We as lovers of freedom, liberty and democracy need to unite beyond nationalities and class divides to support the people who are fighting for freedom. We must destroy islamic extremists through all means necessary and gain the support of moderate muslims.

Therein lies the rub. You won't win much support by "destroying through all means necessary". Guantanamo Bay certainly didn't.

rovert

Check out his youtube channel every video has the lslam in the title. Pat Condell backed UKIP and is rumoured to have links to the BNP. So erm yeah.

brianthebard

Pauleta wrote: »

I agree with this mans opinion. We as lovers of freedom, liberty and democracy need to unite beyond nationalities and class divides to support the people who are fighting for freedom. We must destroy islamic extremists through all means necessary and gain the support of moderate muslims.

The likes of Saudi Arabia will self destruct when the oil runs out but in my opinion the Pakistani taliban are the single most threatening issue to the world today. If they take control of Pakistan and their nuclear arsenal it could be the end of life as we know it. The far left nut jobs should be ignored as they are as bad as a problem as the extremists.

Right, but having a counter jihad isn't extreme at all right? :rolleyes: cue squawks of "they started it". Well they didn't really when you think about it rationally, if you're capable of such a thing.

Rented Mule

old hippy wrote: »

Therein lies the rub. You won't win much support by "destroying through all means necessary". Guantanamo Bay certainly didn't.

Didn't work well for Hitler either.

wes

Another thread on Muslims, where basic facts are purposefully mis-represented, by the provided source. I guess there is no need for facts by You Tube video ranters.

Noreen1

Hmm, I think this guys views are slightly OTT, in the sense that you cannot generalise about any large group of people, whether that group happens to be a religious group or not!

However, I don't think any reasonable person would`deny that various groups have successfully (ab)used their "rights" as a minority/religious group to influence policy/legal systems - to the detriment of other groups - and done so in the name of "equality", or "freedom".

I have no desire to dictate to any group - but I have no intention of being dictated to either!

Noreen

Dyr

I remember someone making the point about islam that in the west we look on this as solely a religious issue but islam is not just a religion as we understand it in the west. It is a full structure with legal, financial, social etc elements and some of those elements are directly opposed to the core values that secular democracies are based on.

R0ot

Kasabian wrote: »

I am a Christian , I haven't abused or raped anyone.

Yet, you haven't abused or raped anyone yet.

Cheap Thrills!

Kasabian wrote: »

I am a Christian , I haven't abused or raped anyone.

Well, you'd want to pull up your socks and stop slackin!

Get cracking, you've a lot of catching up to do.

SugarHigh

I love how so many people in AH are always talking about how tolerant they are but the truth comes whenever Islam is raised.