software compressors

iquinn

oddly, there's an interesting thread on gearslutz: link

If you start reading around post #22

Possibly explains why a lot of software compression doesn't sound that great, well to my ears anyway.

DamagedTrax

iquinn wrote: »

oddly, there's an interesting thread on gearslutz: link

If you start reading around post #22

Possibly explains why a lot of software compression doesn't sound that great, well to my ears anyway.

BS for nerds.

if top releases can be made totally ITB then why some nerd on GS thinks he's discovered some amazing secret is beyond me.

with all due respect if ITB compression doesnt sound good to you then either you dont know how to use it or your source material is crap (or you have the fine tuned ears of a bat). agreed a software comp is never gonna sound the same as an 1176/lA2A/CL1B but to say they dont sound good is just silly.

ive seen well respected engineers use a digi compressor. are they wrong and do their mixes not sound good?

EDIT: not really having a go at you OP but this BS just bugs me. all those that are goin on about it, i bet given a good mix with some OTB and ITB compression 99% wouldnt have the first clue which instrument had hardware or software compression on it.

i'd say possbily greg ubk might have an idea but that guy is one in a million and even he has stated that it really isnt that important at all. final product is everything.

me, i'm happiest with a mix of everything. track with hardware, mix with hard and soft.

MilanPan!c

Def more 1% nonsense.

dav nagle

Sidechain a good tune in Logic and then tell me software compressors are bad!!


I am buying one of these in 3 weeks! very excited!

Virus Polar T2

iquinn

DamagedTrax wrote: »

BS for nerds.

if top releases can be made totally ITB then why some nerd on GS thinks he's discovered some amazing secret is beyond me.

with all due respect if ITB compression doesnt sound good to you then either you dont know how to use it or your source material is crap (or you have the fine tuned ears of a bat). agreed a software comp is never gonna sound the same as an 1176/lA2A/CL1B but to say they dont sound good is just silly.

ive seen well respected engineers use a digi compressor. are they wrong and do their mixes not sound good?

EDIT: not really having a go at you OP but this BS just bugs me. all those that are goin on about it, i bet given a good mix with some OTB and ITB compression 99% wouldnt have the first clue which instrument had hardware or software compression on it.

i'd say possbily greg ubk might have an idea but that guy is one in a million and even he has stated that it really isnt that important at all. final product is everything.

me, i'm happiest with a mix of everything. track with hardware, mix with hard and soft.

I didn't say any of that. Some I like, some I don't, that's all.

DamagedTrax

iquinn wrote: »

I didn't say any of that. Some I like, some I don't, that's all.

i know but what would a forum be without "know it all" return arguments?

dav nagle

DamagedTrax wrote: »

i know but what would a forum be without "know it all" return arguments?

Every thread needs a ''know it all''!

Anima

That pacorro guy is talking bollacks in post 21.

PaulBrewer

I've better thangs to be at than readin' GearSlobs !

I was quizzing Cenzo Townshend about this very subject recently.

He was saying that he's a big fan of the Waves Jack Joseph Puig collection and the Chris Lord Alge 1176 plugs.

I spoke to an esteemed Boards member about the same subject yesterday who made the point that our Plug-Ins Day in Windmill a while back raised his eyebrows somewhat regarding plugin quality is a positive fashion.

I'd be inclined to agree with both of the above.

woodsdenis

If it sounds good it is good. The Glue by Cytomic is a really good SSL bus type and drum room squasher plug IMHO.:D. The Massey comp is great for more transparent compression. These are the only ones I use now.

iquinn

PaulBrewer wrote: »

I've better thangs to be at than readin' GearSlobs !

I was quizzing Cenzo Townshend about this very subject recently.

He was saying that he's a big fan of the Waves Jack Joseph Puig collection and the Chris Lord Alge 1176 plugs.

I spoke to an esteemed Boards member about the same subject yesterday who made the point that our Plug-Ins Day in Windmill a while back raised his eyebrows somewhat regarding plugin quality is a positive fashion.

I'd be inclined to agree with both of the above.

Again, nobody is saying software comps aren't good, but that many have this aliasing aspect that (in his opinion) means they're not as good as they could be.

Interestingly enough those comps you mention don't have the aliasing and by his 'metric' they should sound great.

iquinn

woodsdenis wrote: »

If it sounds good it is good. The Glue by Cytomic is a really good SSL bus type and drum room squasher plug IMHO.:D. The Massey comp is great for more transparent compression. These are the only ones I use now.

I really like The Glue too.

bedbugs

That GS thread is the most ridiculous waste of time. Those dudes have way too much time on their hands.

madtheory

It doesn't actually take a whole lot of time to do, and it beats watching TV...

i57dwun4yb1pt8

... or actually sitting on your fat hole making music

madtheory

Yes, of course, it is possible to spend all your time making music, sure it is

PaulBrewer

woodsdenis wrote: »

If it sounds good it is good. The Glue by Cytomic is a really good SSL bus type and drum room squasher plug IMHO.:D. The Massey comp is great for more transparent compression. These are the only ones I use now.

I'm just downloading The Glue now - features look terrific.

I bought the Massey Tapehead which I've been trying on barky hi-hats and cymbals.

I'll try the Massey comp too.

Thanks.

PaulBrewer

Bought the Glue ... Thanks Denis and iQuinn

studiorat

DamagedTrax wrote: »

BS for nerds.

if top releases can be made totally ITB then why some nerd on GS thinks he's discovered some amazing secret is beyond me.

with all due respect if ITB compression doesnt sound good to you then either you dont know how to use it or your source material is crap (or you have the fine tuned ears of a bat). agreed a software comp is never gonna sound the same as an 1176/lA2A/CL1B but to say they dont sound good is just silly.

ive seen well respected engineers use a digi compressor. are they wrong and do their mixes not sound good?

EDIT: not really having a go at you OP but this BS just bugs me. all those that are goin on about it, i bet given a good mix with some OTB and ITB compression 99% wouldnt have the first clue which instrument had hardware or software compression on it.

i'd say possbily greg ubk might have an idea but that guy is one in a million and even he has stated that it really isnt that important at all. final product is everything.

me, i'm happiest with a mix of everything. track with hardware, mix with hard and soft.

With all due respect I don't think the GS discussion is about ITB vs Hardware. It's about the aliasing caused by the processing itself.

DamagedTrax

studiorat wrote: »

With all due respect I don't think the GS discussion is about ITB vs Hardware. It's about the aliasing caused by the processing itself.

im due no respect so dont sweat it rat

anyway, i got halfway thru the thread and started to read why a plugins attack time doesnt go faster than 1 sample (which in itself is BS) and how hardware does, before i started snoozing.

i can be an engineering nerd with the best of them but that thread, while probably a wankfest for some, just left me wondering WTF?!?!?!

Echoplex

I didn't read that thread but I do think that Compressors are the least successful plug-ins. I have considerable experience of the GML Eq's hard and soft. I prefer the software one. Speaking of which. George Massenburg was interviewed on the topic. He doesn't do a Comp plug in because it wouldn't be possible to make one good enough. The Sonnox comp is the most useable that I have come across. However, even that one benefits greatly from being used in a Parallel manner.
DD

DamagedTrax

Echoplex wrote: »

I didn't read that thread but I do think that Compressors are the least successful plug-ins. I have considerable experience of the GML Eq's hard and soft. I prefer the software one. Speaking of which. George Massenburg was interviewed on the topic. He doesn't do a Comp plug in because it wouldn't be possible to make one good enough.
DD

he's about to release a tdm comp.

MilanPan!c

I love these threads...

madtheory

DamagedTrax wrote: »

he's about to release a tdm comp.

Link?

PaulBrewer

woodsdenis wrote: »

If it sounds good it is good. The Glue by Cytomic is a really good SSL bus type and drum room squasher plug IMHO.:D. The Massey comp is great for more transparent compression. These are the only ones I use now.

Just bought the Massey Comp - 2 knobs + 2 switches . Beautiful ...

DamagedTrax

madtheory wrote: »

Link?

its somewhere on GS.

was started a year or two ago and is nearing completion seemingly.

TDM only though

dear all,

my partner and i are waiting for our patent application to clear. at that time we'll have a TDM-only version of the new DRC available for purchase.

it is important for us to only implement PT TDM at this time, having to do in large part with security.

i can tell you two things: 1> it is very, very good (and has been thoroughly beta-tested), & 2> there's no "Crest Factor" control.

George

Echoplex

Any more detail on that GML comp, a link, or have we a psychic
amongst us :-)

I would buy the very first one, no matter what cost. He pretty much invented the best eq and manufactured it, then bettered that with software.
I am sure his now comp will illustrate just how inadequate the current crop is.

I wonder now and then why Yamaha never entered the plug-in market. Their
O series comp is the most transparent that I haven't heard.

DD

DamagedTrax

look above

Echoplex

Found the thread, which goes back to 2008 at least. George's most recent comment was that he and his partner were waiting on patent's. Could be a while. I look forward to that day. However, I note that there have been many attempts at 'smart' compressors. The RNC is a very successful example. The GML 8900 is not. The Aphex Compellor is.
With the old analogue compressors, the dynamic behaviour was pretty much set in stone. Two knobs. We accepted each ones particular flavour. I'm talking about how they react, grab, release. We worked around it. Ditto with 'fixed' plug-ins, they are just not as good for some reason.
I hope George has a 'Manual' mode. With skill, Attack Release, Hold, and Decay can be made to work just fine.
At the end of the day, it's the driver, not the car.

DD

madtheory

http://www.conversationsnetwork.org/levelator

Rockshamrover

madtheory wrote: »

http://www.conversationsnetwork.org/levelator

Great stuff, thanks MT

Rockshamrover

woodsdenis wrote: »

If it sounds good it is good. The Glue by Cytomic is a really good SSL bus type and drum room squasher plug IMHO.:D. The Massey comp is great for more transparent compression. These are the only ones I use now.

I got this yesterday, it's brilliant and only $99.00. Thanks for recommendation Dennis.

gomaith2010

The alesis i02 is an excellent bit of portable kit as well if you were looking at recording something from audio or midi