Beware ! Waves Audio wins lawsuit against two NYC studios

PaulBrewer

http://www.audioprointernational.com/news/1976/Waves-Audio-wins-lawsuit-against-two-NYC-studios

DamagedTrax

commercial studio using cracks is plain stupidity.

but waves really arent doing themselves any favours either with how they went about this whole thing.

PMI

Its all very quiet here now haha people running and hitting un-install buttons haha

Dravokivich

I can understand that the studio should be using valid software, with valid keys on their own pc's.

But is this saying that the studio are responsible for 3rd party bringing in a Laptop / PC for a session with cracked software and using it alongside the studio's gear?

jtsuited

waves must really be pissed that a certain cracking community recently cracked EVERY waves plugin (for mac) and bundled it .

studiorat

I remember reading about Waves ringing up studios looking to book time providing they had waves products on their computers.

I wonder would it wash here with the whole entrapment thing?

DamagedTrax

Dravokivich wrote: »

I can understand that the studio should be using valid software, with valid keys on their own pc's.

But is this saying that the studio are responsible for 3rd party bringing in a Laptop / PC for a session with cracked software and using it alongside the studio's gear?

on a third party's set-up prosecution would be crazy and unfair but a 3rd party installing cracks on a studio machine can easily be stopped.

i was recently mixing in the engine room and wanted to install my softube plugs. i had to get the house engineer to password each install. not a problem as they were legit.

also asking the visiting engineer for an install list before the session can stop cracks getting installed. that way he only needs to bring his dongle and all plugs will be waiting and ready to go for him.

DamagedTrax

studiorat wrote: »

I remember reading about Waves ringing up studios looking to book time and asking did they have waves products.

I wonder would it wash here with the whole entrapment thing?

thats the behaviour im talking about when i say they arent winning any friends.

Neurojazz

Their upgrade and license system is a farce - i've got a legal l3-16 and it's a nightmare to reinstall it on a new machine, lost any chance of me ever returning to buy anything they make.

Don't get me wrong, not against people protecting their software but how they do it.

MilanPan!c

As some of you know, I used to work for a large music software company.

There policy was pretty simple:

we don't care about piracy, because we believe that professionals are exposed to software via piracy and we also believe when they make money they'll buy our stuff.



Seems pretty reasonable.


Though.

Software is soooooo cheap, so it's hard to understand why, if you find something you like you don't just buy it.

He'll, buy two things a month and you'll be sorted very quickly!

madtheory

It's unfortunate that those studios that they were made an example of. It's a bigger problem in colleges, how is one to police students doing installs? No point in removing install rights on the machine, that messes with Pro Tools, doesn't it?

PMI

Dont have any waves stuff myself.... have always seen hassle with it so always steered clear so im clear

Did look at the latest bundle though, or should I not bother?!? I have the IK T-racks 3 stuff which I find good enough....

madtheory

Not worth it IMO either. The Rennaisance compressor and the Axx version of it are excellent. That's about all I ever use, but can and do live without it. Other companies do better versions of everything else IMO.

PaulBrewer

PMI wrote: »

good enough....

Heathen ! :eek:

PaulBrewer

The Waves API and SSL plugs I think sound very good, I'd be interested in hearing better versions from other manufacturers.

I think Vocal Rider is great and the JJP and CLA collections. I'd like to hear better comp emulations if there are any ?

madtheory

Levelator does 95% of what Vocal Rider does, and it's free, although it's an offline process. Haven't heard the API/ SSL. But Q10, the Linear Phase eq, the IR reverb, Rennaisance stuff (except comp) the L1,2,3, all the pitch stuff... all done better elsewhere.

dav nagle

ive luv waves they are amazing...

TelePaul

This pleases me. I'm happy any time people challenge the espoused belief that just because something is available on the internet, it's free.

PaulBrewer

madtheory wrote: »

Levelator does 95% of what Vocal Rider does, and it's free, although it's an offline process. Haven't heard the API/ SSL. But Q10, the Linear Phase eq, the IR reverb, Rennaisance stuff (except comp) the L1,2,3, all the pitch stuff... all done better elsewhere.

Where ! ?

Pt HD compatible please.

madtheory

There's any number of better eq and pitch mod plugins, Digi's own Revibe is far superior to any Waves 'verb, Massey L2007 beats L2, Digi comp 3, once you take the time to programme it, does what RComp can do.. And check out Levelator, it's excellent...

Quiggers

cloud computing will negate all this anyway, its just a pity that in ireland
or bandwidth is so shody that we'll just be cut off from the cloud.

and you cant blame waves for being pissed, programming is slow boring work,
there's no way its about the love, its about the money, why else would you
math out what a compressor with input transformers does.

Quiggers

thats pointless too, better to have a few and know how to use them properly
rather than having everything and not knowing where the wet/dry knob is.

Echoplex

I reckon Waves blew it when they did that WUP thing. Yearly rent for plug-ins!
However, they have rolled that way back now.
I get the impression that they haven't done anything new since the L1, L2.
All their product since then seems to be rehashes of older pieces. e.g. the L3 is some sort of combination of a C4 and and L2. I would assume that the 'name' plugs are just the same old code with a different interface.
I am up to date, Platinum. I A/B Eq's, Comps etc. now and again.
Perhaps unfairly I put Waves up against MDW and Sonnox.
I have to say that Waves never wins.
The C4 is very useful for rescue Mastering. The L2 hasn't really been beaten yet to my ear. I have tried many of the alternatives, and they don't really hold up.
Until.....PSP Xenon. It's different, but at least equally good.
DD

ClutchIt

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Software is soooooo cheap, so it's hard to understand why, if you find something you like you don't just buy it.

He'll, buy two things a month and you'll be sorted very quickly!

?
Proper software costs about €400 which isn't that cheap. Although in value for money terms it's amazing. I still think we should pay for the legit stuff.

MilanPan!c

ClutchIt wrote: »

?
Proper software costs about €400 which isn't that cheap. Although in value for money terms it's amazing. I still think we should pay for the legit stuff.

If you're a business than 400 is cheap.

If you're a hobbyist or even part-timer there's option which many people consider to be essentially as good for much much much much less.

100 would get you a LOT of software.

Very that can't be said for instruments, hardware, computers, etc.

Relative to a engineer's other costs software is dirt cheap!

tweeky

With "Waves" plug-ins such as SSL/API we're talking a lot more than €400. I think the "Massey" plugs are the best value for money in Town, especially when you are talking TDM.

TelePaul

MilanPan!c wrote: »

100 would get you a LOT of software.

Garritan Personal orchestra 4 methinks!

jimi_t2

Niall - Dahlia wrote: »

I have a few cracked plugs at home, loading up any of them there's a 50/50 chance the whole thing is going to seize up, I wouldn't dream of running a commercial setup on cracked software.

Really?

Anytime I use a syncrosoft dongle, its 50/50 I'll freeze or BSOD.

ProTools will be completely eclipsed in about 10 years, if not less. Its getting easier and easier to lamp together a half decent summing engine and the freeware DAWs out there are starting to match it in ability.

Also, tying into proprietary hardware? Behave

madtheory

Summing is over rated. It's always been trivial, there was just that one time Digidesign forgot the dither... Agreed about hardware though, that will change very soon.