Daywhite, Nitewhite question.

jackthelad321

Hi there

I just recieved my Daywhite home whitening (bleaching) soloution. I got the 9.5% stuff. I was just wondering if this stuff is good, as I got it in thailand and I couldn't communicate completely with the staff. I was talking to the receptionist downstairs and she was telling me of the stuff. I was going to get a 20% Nitewhite but then (as i was confused) she rang the dentist and he said to give me the 9.5% stuff.

I wonder is this is because:

I have thin teeth, so it is preferable for sensitivity?
It is better to start with this one, to see how you react?
This one is actually very strong? (30 mins, not 6-8 hours)
it is just the cheaper one, and that's why he said it? he had no reccomendations for me after fitting the mould.

basically i just want good results, i can handle a little sensitivity. I don't mind putting in the stuff overnight, as opposed to 30 mins, for the best results.

I bought four tubes of 9.5%, but i can trade them in anytime before saturday (unopened) for any of the other percenteges (15, 20, 22), and it can be Daywhite or Nitewhite.

Any one (perhaps dentists!) who can shed some light on this for me, and if it matters etc.?

regards

JACK

ballsymchugh

i take it the concentrations are of hydrogen peroxide??

normally some take home kits with concentrations of 9.5% are used after an initial 60 minute in-house dose of 35-40% carbamide peroxide.
maybe the dentist just didn't think you needed them whitened that much.

day dreamer

Hi jack, hope you are safe in thailand at the mo!

the reason things are confusing is that you had treatment abroad and there is a language barrier, also the dentist should go through things with you, not receptionist

there is no way to say what kind of bleaching you woud be suitabe for without examining you, usually 15 - 17% is used for at home bleaching, in office or surgery bleaching can use a stronger concentration

georgieporgy

I remember from another thread you spoke of acid erosion. So expect some sensitivity when bleaching. Night time bleaching gives best results (as opposed to daytime) and for that you need carbamide peroxide (not hydrogen peroxide). The lower concentration will cause less sensitity. On the other hand if you have a lot of sensitivity you will not be able to wear them all night!

The bleach trays have to be really snug fitting on the teeth and not overlapping the gums for good results.

The bleach gel formula can vary in many ways not just in strength but also viscosity, and then there are a variety of black market bleaches with dubious content. As daydreamer has said you have to make a choice as to who you allow to work on your teeth and then you have to trust that individual.

My guess is if you went to a bona fide dentist you won't do yourself too much damage using whatever you have been given. if it hurts a lot just stop using it.

jackthelad321

ballsymchugh wrote: »

i take it the concentrations are of hydrogen peroxide??

normally some take home kits with concentrations of 9.5% are used after an initial 60 minute in-house dose of 35-40% carbamide peroxide.
maybe the dentist just didn't think you needed them whitened that much.

Thanks for the comment, I think i might just go back in and ask to see the dentist quickly. I do understand that he should have chatted to me about it but, at the prices charged, I think an in-and-out system is firmly in place. I will just be using the stuff twice a day for a few weeks until i get results. I really have tea/fag/ othercrap stains on my teeth, so i doubt he would have though i needed less on that front, i really wish, but no, my teeth are badly stainued, no matter what i do or how much i brush/floss etc. i can't get past a level of clean, whitey/yellow tinge.

day dreamer wrote: »

Hi jack, hope you are safe in thailand at the mo!

the reason things are confusing is that you had treatment abroad and there is a language barrier, also the dentist should go through things with you, not receptionist

there is no way to say what kind of bleaching you woud be suitabe for without examining you, usually 15 - 17% is used for at home bleaching, in office or surgery bleaching can use a stronger concentration

I thank you for your reply, I really do need a stronger (in my opinion) bleach. Everyone's teeth look clean and white but when i look at mine i can see the tea remains (worse than fags). I agree the dentist should have but ... I can always get the other stuff from amazon now with the moulds i got. It just seemed strange the advice and i didn't feel it was in my best interests, I should just try it and shut up but, seeing as i can return it, I though i'd see what others had to say. I am excited about home whitening and just want to stop seeing the horrible tinge of yellow everytime i smile. Interestingly the dentist did say that it was much better than the lazer whitening which they charged double for.... seems to be the trend.

I do have one question, if i get satisfactory results, can i protect the colour by using good toothpaste and mouthwash and flossing etc. por will the colour fade back, and therefore always need to be bleached? Can your recomend a programme for me to follow to maximise the results?

Thanks again (i am fine in Thailand, but they have a curfew tonight for the first time ever! anyway i'm leaving saturday)

JACK

ballsymchugh

for long term, you will probably need top ups every few years. just try and give up the cigarettes and you'll do yourself a big favour. did you not have a polishing done before you were given the bleach?? just rereading your original post... did you see a dentist at all, or just the receptionist?

or you could get a tan. teeth seem to look whiter on people who are just back from holidays. unless you've got really irish skin and just burn for a couple of days.

jackthelad321

ballsymchugh wrote: »

for long term, you will probably need top ups every few years. just try and give up the cigarettes and you'll do yourself a big favour. did you not have a polishing done before you were given the bleach?? just rereading your original post... did you see a dentist at all, or just the receptionist?

or you could get a tan. teeth seem to look whiter on people who are just back from holidays. unless you've got really irish skin and just burn for a couple of days.

Thanks a million for the reply.
I did see the dentist, i got a cleaning and polishing done, and then after was fitted for a mould and got the bleach three hours later, when the mould was ready. So i just came to reception to get it, and that's where the receptionist (or dental assistant, technician maybe) gave me the stuff. The language barrier was a bit of an issue, but not awful. I just remember thinking to myself ''hmmm, it's a bit confusing, and i know my teeth are stained fairly badly, so why the weaker stuff?'' the receptionist/technician told me it was actually the strongest, and a newer type. I remained unconvinced. All i want is to get these bastard teeth white, and i would have thought that i'd need a stronger percentage. Who knows??

I have just checked my tube and it is, officially, 9.5% Hydrogen peroxide Whitening (not bleaching!) gel. 2.4cc/2.4ml Daywhite ACP

to finish, i have actually quit smoking since november, and lowerd my tea intake drastically, and have taken a zealous, near fanatical, interest in my teeth. all is well but i can't, just can't, shake the deep stains and it is as annoying as depressing as futile. It kills me that i'm stuck with yellowish teeth (26yrold) no matter what i do.

Should i just go ahead with the 9.5 stuff, or is there a better one for me IYO?

sorry for the quizzing, i find it hard getting dental advice for some reason (especially abroad) and this site is a blessing undisguised!

P.s As for the tan, Jesus i'm a farmer born and bred: i have an eternal t-shirt tan. Probaly not the soloution to my problem!

Again thanks for any help!

ballsymchugh

http://www.polawhite.com.au/pola-day/pola-day.asp

you've got something like this. i was asked to try it out on a few patients in britland and don't remember the satisfaction being the greatest. see how it goes though. everyone is different.

jackthelad321

ballsymchugh wrote: »

http://www.polawhite.com.au/pola-day/pola-day.asp

you've got something like this. i was asked to try it out on a few patients in britland and don't remember the satisfaction being the greatest. see how it goes though. everyone is different.

Fair enough. the description was exact for what i got, save for the actual product. On amazon (i know, not the guidebook or last word exactly) The Products score fairly highlym so i assume they have some merit. Perhaps the products have the exact same stuff on them etc.

Here's a queation: is there much, nay, anything you can do to whiten, that is to say bring back a natural whiteness, to teeth? i have head many ways, arm and hammer being one on a forum here, and baking soda... I honestly brush my teeth for 5 mins, 3 times a day, floss and mouthwash, and have quit the fags completely and tea for the most part. I guess if i have to always stain them it seems a little fake in some way, or at the very lest a persistent cost.

what do you think??

again, thanks for all the replys you guys are great!!!

georgieporgy

hydrogen peroxide is 3 times stronger than carbamide peroxide so what you have been given is strong. anything stronger ( in hydrogen peroxide) would burn your gums.

whitening/bleaching..... same thing. the terminology is moving towards using the more accurate term whitening these days.

what you have been given is meant for daytime use .Sounds like stuff distributed by Disscuss Dental in USA.

hydrogen peroxide is easily ruined by heat so try to store it in a cool place . in fridge is ok but not necessary. just avoid excess heat.

These daytime systems work but the degree of whitening varies. you just can't be sure of the outcome till you try it.

If you were to go back and change it the suitable NIGHTTIME gel would be 16% CARBAMIDE peroxide. However you would need a really good fitting tray to get good results. It takes 2 days to manufacture such a tray ( I make them) so something done in 3 hours will not have that perfect seal ,so..... that means what you have will be ok for daytime use but not so good for nighttime.

So stick with what you have been given and let us know how it works out. You will begin to see results in a few days.

jackthelad321

georgieporgy wrote: »

hydrogen peroxide is 3 times stronger than carbamide peroxide so what you have been given is strong. anything stronger ( in hydrogen peroxide) would burn your gums.

whitening/bleaching..... same thing. the terminology is moving towards using the more accurate term whitening these days.

what you have been given is meant for daytime use .Sounds like stuff distributed by Disscuss Dental in USA.

hydrogen peroxide is easily ruined by heat so try to store it in a cool place . in fridge is ok but not necessary. just avoid excess heat.

These daytime systems work but the degree of whitening varies. you just can't be sure of the outcome till you try it.

If you were to go back and change it the suitable NIGHTTIME gel would be 16% CARBAMIDE peroxide. However you would need a really good fitting tray to get good results. It takes 2 days to manufacture such a tray ( I make them) so something done in 3 hours will not have that perfect seal ,so..... that means what you have will be ok for daytime use but not so good for nighttime.

So stick with what you have been given and let us know how it works out. You will begin to see results in a few days.

Thanks for the advice, i feel like it's a bit more cleared up now. It i strue that the tray only took 3 hours; i have tried them and what i feel is the top one is really good, tight and secure, the bottom is not as good, the left side is a touch loose but at the very back on the left, at the front it feels very snug also. I imagine any looseness would always come from the back not the front.

I am just going to give them a go, no point over thinking everything, i just do find dental stuff complicted. Thanks for the advice on the heat also, on the sheet with the tubes it says to store in a fridge, probably more pertinent here than at home due to the excessive heat, so i'll just store it in a fridge where possible. At least it's not a fortune to reorder the stuff if it does spoil.

Many many thanks, i will let you know in a week or two how it is going, be it good, bad or indifferent.

Thanks to all the posters, you guys are the best

JACK!:D