Slatted Shed without grant

SuckinDiesel

I'm looking to build a small 2 bay slatted shead. Without the grants it will be fairly basic.

Do you think its a good idea to go ahead with it this year or should i wait for sometime in the future when the grants are back again.

From talking to a few they reakon there isn't much in the difference between building now without the grant and building a few years ago with it.

vanderbadger

hard enough to see grants coming back the way things are at the moment..as you say you will get better value now than a few years back anyway

pakalasa

Sucking Diesel,

If you do decide to go ahead make sure to stick to the department specification, especially with the tank itself.
Builders will tell you, you can get away with less steel, dont need water bar etc. Anything over ground can be easily repaired, but if the tank itself gives problems.....aint easy to fix.

reilig

Steel is much cheaper than the grant era (but it is creeping up at the moment)
Concrete and slats are way cheaper.
Labour is at its cheapest level in the last 10 years.

Its a great time to build IMO.

You could build just as cheap as with the grant 2 years ago - and you will have much less hassle with inspections and cowboy builders.

Figerty

Yep, Stick to the department spec. Better safe than sorry, go with someone with a track record in quality.

Plan carefully,, you only want to do this once.

I did one a while back with a creep area for calves, and calving cows. I included a calving gate and a crush for cows in case a section was needed. Both have been invaluable.

agrostar

Yes stick to the grant specs for the tank it would be alot safer this way. There is little to be saved on the steel structure of the building by opting to use lighter steel as there is nearly as much and sometimes even more labour involved in fabricating the frame. Ensure the frame is atleast blasted and primed then painted. To use the lighter steel and not use any cross bracing, acute bracing ect you may save afew hundred euro but imo it is aswell to have the job done right:) Another thing you need to watch for is what cladding your builder will be using as this will cause a big variation on price. Imo your as well use the best cladding you can afford preferably Grant Approved Specificition (agribild r corrifarm ect) If you look at any old buildings the sheeting is the first place that will go. If you do opt to use non grant r galvanise ensure there is good airflow through the building as trapped stale air is the number 1 cause of premature failure of both grant and non grant cladding. We are involved in fabricating and erecting farm buildings ourselves im sorry to say:p:D and yes as reillig said labour is def at its cheapest for ten yrs:eek:. Structural steel went up last month with another increase due next month and to throw salt in the wounds cladding is to increase with our suppliers the start of the month:mad:.

Pacoa

Structural steel went up last month with another increase due next month and to throw salt in the wounds cladding is to increase with our suppliers the start of the month

I guess the weak euro won't be helping things either from this on.

irish moiled

Hi
I am looking to build a 2 bay slatted shed.
I am wondering what size of tank i would suit this type of shed. plan to use it for 10 cows and 10 weanlings.

buffalobilly

for ten cows and tel weanlings i think a two bay would be too small and you would need a three bay with a lie back for cows when they
calf a three bay tank will not cost you much more than a two bay one there
is as almost as much labour with a two bay as a three bay as for slats for a two bay back in the grant days two bays would have cast you €2400 -70%
€1680 =€720 where as now they will cost you €2000 (prices are aproxomate)
with no grant but probably steel and labour will be less than back then but you
will not build a shed as cheap as with the grant :rolleyes:

bob charles

pakalasa wrote: »

Sucking Diesel,

If you do decide to go ahead make sure to stick to the department specification, especially with the tank itself.
Builders will tell you, you can get away with less steel, dont need water bar etc. Anything over ground can be easily repaired, but if the tank itself gives problems.....aint easy to fix.

^^^^^^ take good heed of this advice and also I would say get a engineer to sign off on the tank when completed, make sure to get them involved as the tank is being built so they see exactly whats happening

grazeaway

you know i'm actually thinking of puttign in a new tank as well. not stcuk for space but have yearling on straw at the moment and was thinking of putting in a 3 bay tank into one of the leantos. its in teh next shed after teh main tanks and at 90deg to the main tank. I was thinking that if i bring it out to the second tank i could cut a hole between the tanks which would allow any build up in one to flow into the other. i reckon the main tank would fill up faster.

how much would i be looking at for a 3 bay tank with slats and feeding passage. shed is 45x30. i reckon i can use the neighbours digger to dig out the hole.

cj maxx

was talking to a fella who did shuttering and all for the grant work. i did a bit of shuttering/tying steel on a few . we got talking about the price of steel and he was reminicing about the grant days when he would just price it and add the grant as pure profit . every thing was ''cost of steel gone up'' when in fact it had never been cheaper. seen this culture when the ould pair got the house insulated. i reckoned the grant would have covered it but no . they price dearer and people pay because the grant money. its weird.

vanderbadger

i have a yard to one side of 4 colum hayshed type building, it could easily be roofed onto the existing shed as leanto, I often wonder would it be cheaper to dig out yard build a slatted tank where the yard is now and roof it in, OR just roof it, make a passageway and build a tank external to new roofed in shed, this would be a covered in tank not slatted and run an auto scraper into the external tank? probably no advantage in building non slatted tank, anyone runnning scrapers from non slatted shed into tank like this?

grazeaway

vanderbadger wrote: »

i have a yard to one side of 4 colum hayshed type building, it could easily be roofed onto the existing shed as leanto, I often wonder would it be cheaper to dig out yard build a slatted tank where the yard is now and roof it in, OR just roof it, make a passageway and build a tank external to new roofed in shed, this would be a covered in tank not slatted and run an auto scraper into the external tank? probably no advantage in building non slatted tank, anyone runnning scrapers from non slatted shed into tank like this?

depends on how good the concrete yard is and what you want to put in the shed. it'll probably be near enough the same cost for either tank and lean-to. it would be different if you were putting cubicles or a creep area at the back of the shed and scraping down the feed passage. if it were an existing shed that needed more storage i could see the logic of the external covered tank, but i reckon you'd be better off sticking the slatted tank in. what were you planning to put into it?

vanderbadger

grazeaway wrote: »

depends on how good the concrete yard is and what you want to put in the shed. it'll probably be near enough the same cost for either tank and lean-to. it would be different if you were putting cubicles or a creep area at the back of the shed and scraping down the feed passage. if it were an existing shed that needed more storage i could see the logic of the external covered tank, but i reckon you'd be better off sticking the slatted tank in. what were you planning to put into it?

well the problem i have is that my slatted shed has woefully inadequate storage, 3 bays are on the other side of the hayshed but the tank will prbably be nearly full at christmas, the hayshed part is divided into sections, these are cubicles that scrap into 3 bay tank, calf creep ,calfing pens and more dry pens, its a big shed thats not fully utilized. I suppose if this yard im talking about was slatted it would tie in well with these existing sheds in terms of calf creeps etc however I would loose my crush etc whixh are positioned in this yard and have to rebuild that elsewhere, i dont really need more slatted pens though, I do need more slurry storage.

mf240

vanderbadger wrote: »

well the problem i have is that my slatted shed has woefully inadequate storage, 3 bays are on the other side of the hayshed but the tank will prbably be nearly full at christmas, the hayshed part is divided into sections, these are cubicles that scrap into 3 bay tank, calf creep ,calfing pens and more dry pens, its a big shed thats not fully utilized. I suppose if this yard im talking about was slatted it would tie in well with these existing sheds in terms of calf creeps etc however I would loose my crush etc whixh are positioned in this yard and have to rebuild that elsewhere, i dont really need more slatted pens though, I do need more slurry storage.

would a slurry tower be out of the question?

vanderbadger

mf240 wrote: »

would a slurry tower be out of the question?

well i wondered about them but to be honest dont know much about them, are they expensive compared to concrete tank? also not sure where I could fit one relatively close to original tank, would i have to be emptying original tank with tanker and pumping into tower?
would it be an option to add a tank onto original tank, as someone said earlier make a box hole in the end wall of original tank so it could over flow into new tank?

mf240

dont know what price towers are but I do know that you can pump up into them with an agitator pipe attaches to the top and you change a flap to direct the slurry up the pipe (this is only on some agitators)

we have a cubicle shed that has two tanks connected by a three foot square flowchanel works grand, channell is 16feet long.

grazeaway

vanderbadger wrote: »

well i wondered about them but to be honest dont know much about them, are they expensive compared to concrete tank? also not sure where I could fit one relatively close to original tank, would i have to be emptying original tank with tanker and pumping into tower?
would it be an option to add a tank onto original tank, as someone said earlier make a box hole in the end wall of original tank so it could over flow into new tank?

Lad up the road put in a tower a few years back and I asked him the same question. The tower is built below the main tank and has a sump that the slurry flows into. There is a pump fixed to the tower and when the sump fills he drives down the tractor and pumps it into the tower. He did say that he had to build a barrier accross the field below the tower in case it bursts. What you do maybe is build accross the front of the hay shed and link it to the other tank.

vanderbadger

grazeaway wrote: »

Lad up the road put in a tower a few years back and I asked him the same question. The tower is built below the main tank and has a sump that the slurry flows into. There is a pump fixed to the tower and when the sump fills he drives down the tractor and pumps it into the tower. He did say that he had to build a barrier accross the field below the tower in case it bursts. What you do maybe is build accross the front of the hay shed and link it to the other tank.

not really an option to build it there,, I would have to move out into nearest field beside yard. kinda prefer the idea of an underground tank

grazeaway

vanderbadger wrote: »

not really an option to build it there,, I would have to move out into nearest field beside yard. kinda prefer the idea of an underground tank

Could you dig up the feed passage and put the tank in right next the one already there? And cut a hole between the tanks and then cover it and use it as a feed passage again?

vanderbadger

grazeaway wrote: »

Could you dig up the feed passage and put the tank in right next the one already there? And cut a hole between the tanks and then cover it and use it as a feed passage again?

ya i suppose, didnt think of that, wonder would it be awkward to dig out inside shed