Heineken Cups 2011 and 2012

kensutz · 17-05-2010 11:04am #1

They're on in the Millennium Stadium in 2011 and Twickers in 2012.

youcancallmeal · 17-05-2010 11:19am

Okay

17-05-2010 11:21am

Wonder why Landsdowne hasnt got it yet

thomond2006 · 17-05-2010 11:25am

Deleted User wrote: »

Wonder why Landsdowne hasnt got it yet

Because it's tiny.

JustinDee · 17-05-2010 11:25am

Deleted User wrote: »

Wonder why Landsdowne hasnt got it yet

The Aviva Stadium didn't get it because it is only just completed.

who the fug · 17-05-2010 11:26am

Deleted User wrote: »

Wonder why Landsdowne hasnt got it yet

Because they changed the name and forgot to tell the organisers of the Heino, who now can't find a listing for Landsdowne Road

LeeroyJones · 17-05-2010 11:27am

kensutz wrote: »

They're on in the Millennium Stadium in 2011 and Twickers in 2012.

This is ridiculous! not that i think that they should be held in Ireland, but I'm getting tired of the same stadiums being used to showcase European Clubs rugby finest showpiece. This is, I think, the 4th time each of these stadiums are being used.

Rugby is never going to spread with decisions like this. They should give the final to Italy at least, they contribute every season to the competition, have never hosted a final and have some great stadiums in which to do so!

Even aside from Italy, the game should be showcased around Europe, after all it is the European Rugby Cup

17-05-2010 11:29am

JustinDee wrote: »

The Aviva Stadium didn't get it because it is only just completed.

A little foresight though. Its ready now, so next year or the year after would have been fine.

Crash · 17-05-2010 11:36am

They didn't get it because the UEFA europa league final would be on 3 days before, and the ERC weren't happy that the stadium could be turned around in that time, despite the stadium managers saying it was completely possible, afaik.

JustinDee · 17-05-2010 11:40am

thomond2006 wrote: »

Because it's tiny.

Au contraire, its big enough for a UEFA final.

LeeroyJones · 17-05-2010 11:47am

JustinDee wrote: »

Au contraire, its big enough for a UEFA final.

I'd like to think that the Heineken Cup is a bigger deal than the Europa League!!!

JustinDee · 17-05-2010 11:57am

LeeroyJones wrote: »

I'd like to think that the Heineken Cup is a bigger deal than the Europa League!!!

That would depend on who's playing the ERC final. Otherwise its business as usual with the UEFA Cup.

shawpower · 17-05-2010 11:59am

They didn't get the 2011 final because of the UEFA final. They didn't get the 2012 final because the ERC wanted to tie in with the Olymics being in London.

outwest · 17-05-2010 12:00pm

milan
munich
madrid
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all great city, and having the final in them city would inhance the game there.

Eoin · 17-05-2010 12:24pm

I'm all on for having big games in developing countries, but not when there is no local interest at all in the competition.

thomond2006 · 17-05-2010 12:34pm

JustinDee wrote: »

Au contraire, its big enough for a UEFA final.

Au contraire encore, that's the Europa League Final not the Champions League Final.

JustinDee · 17-05-2010 12:35pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Au contraire encore, that's the Europa League Final not the Champions League Final.

I know what it is. Its the UEFA Cup renamed.

BoarHunter · 17-05-2010 12:45pm

6th time for Cardiff ... 4th for twicker... and why not Italie ???? these stadiums are fine but a bit of routine now.

I think i'm going to put money on Ospreys to be in the finale next year

Blisterman · 17-05-2010 12:47pm

eoin wrote: »

I'm all on for having big games in developing countries, but not when there is no local interest at all in the competition.

Well it could help increase the profile in those countries. People are gonna be travelling anyway, (unless there's a Wasps/Harliquins final in 2012.) Why not have a nice trip to Spain?

LeeroyJones · 17-05-2010 12:56pm

eoin wrote: »

I'm all on for having big games in developing countries, but not when there is no local interest at all in the competition.

How do you plan to generate an interest then?

LeeroyJones · 17-05-2010 12:59pm

JustinDee wrote: »

That would depend on who's playing the ERC final. Otherwise its business as usual with the UEFA Cup.

I reckon that any Heineken Cup Final would sell out 70,000 regardless of who's playing. Whereas for a Europa League you could only be that confident with a 50,000 stadium.

Eoin · 17-05-2010 1:18pm

Blisterman wrote: »

Well it could help increase the profile in those countries. People are gonna be travelling anyway, (unless there's a Wasps/Harliquins final in 2012.) Why not have a nice trip to Spain?

People won't necessarily travel though, especially if it's two French teams in an away final.

LeeroyJones wrote:

I reckon that any Heineken Cup Final would sell out 70,000 regardless of who's playing.

Some do, some don't. Look at the one in Lansdowne a few years ago - it was barely even half capacity, and those numbers were probably flattered a little by Irish people going as well.

LeeroyJones · 17-05-2010 1:25pm

eoin wrote: »

Some do, some don't. Look at the one in Lansdowne a few years ago - it was barely even half capacity, and those numbers were probably flattered a little by Irish people going as well.

Yes but the profile of the Heineken Cup has risen significantly since then, and not only in Ireland.

While debate remains over which is a priority in France over the Top 14 and the Heineken Cup, the Heineken Cup is still a big deal there and their fans would love to see their team in the final. I'd be quite confident of and English, Welsh and Scottish teams filling the capacity too. If an Italian team managed a route to the final I wouldn't expect a huge following, which is further reason the profile of rugby should be enhanced at every opportunity like hosting a final

thomond2006 · 17-05-2010 2:18pm

JustinDee wrote: »

I know what it is. Its the UEFA Cup renamed.

My point is that it's the second tier European competition, nowhere near as prestigious as the Champions League.

bamboozle · 17-05-2010 2:23pm

eoin wrote: »

People won't necessarily travel though, especially if it's two French teams in an away final.

Some do, some don't. Look at the one in Lansdowne a few years ago - it was barely even half capacity, and those numbers were probably flattered a little by Irish people going as well.

well it also helps when the draw for the semi final is done behind closed doors and low and behold 2 teams from the host final country end up with home draws in the semi finals...
i think Rome or somewhere in Italy deserves a final

Risteard · 17-05-2010 2:25pm

I wonder would the San Siro be an option in the future. I'd really like to see Italy get one, even if their teams are unlikely to get to the final, but that didn't stop Murrayfield.

It filled out for the All Blacks match.

durkadurka · 17-05-2010 2:26pm

Cynic in me thinks that they dont need to hold it in Ireland because we are already nuts about HEC.

I'd love to see it in san siro or noucamp or something. I'd love a trip to one of those grounds.
Its not out of the question - Noucamp is not that far from Southern france where most of the great French teams are, and they filled the San Siro for the All blacks last year.

JustinDee · 17-05-2010 2:28pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

My point is that it's the second tier European competition, nowhere near as prestigious as the Champions League.

But a much higher profile across Europe regardless.

LeeroyJones · 17-05-2010 2:33pm

JustinDee wrote: »

But a much higher profile across Europe regardless.

than the Heineken Cup??? I disagree.

I'm pretty sure Atletico Madrid returned some of their allocation this year despite not winning a major tournament in years.

JustinDee · 17-05-2010 2:39pm

LeeroyJones wrote: »

than the Heineken Cup??? I disagree

Of course it is. Outside of the Six Nations countries (being generous here that Italians would know about it nationwide) and quite possibly some parts of municipal Spain, how widespread do you think the Heineken Cup or H Cup is?

LeeroyJones · 17-05-2010 2:45pm

JustinDee wrote: »

Of course it is. Outside of the Six Nations countries (being generous here that Italians would know about it nationwide) and quite possibly some parts of municipal Spain, how widespread do you think the Heineken Cup or H Cup is?

the Europa League is a broader competition, but for the teams and fans involved the Heineken Cup is more presitigious than the Europa League is to Football fans

JustinDee · 17-05-2010 3:28pm

LeeroyJones wrote: »

the Europa League is a broader competition, but for the teams and fans involved the Heineken Cup is more presitigious than the Europa League is to Football fans

Yes, its a much bigger competition hence what I said.

billybigunz · 17-05-2010 5:35pm

What a snub not to get 2012.

JustinDee · 17-05-2010 5:41pm

billybigunz wrote: »

What a snub not to get 2012.

Its because of the Mayans.

[Jackass] · 17-05-2010 9:54pm

We didn't get it for 2011 because of the Europa League final on in the same week, and we didn't get it in 2012 because the ERC wanted to jump on the London Olympics bandwagon. What an amazing year to live in London, would nearly move back just for the craic!

Dublin will get it in 2013, but I think the GAA and Croke Park should table a bid and cut out the IRFU & Aviva.

I'd nearly prefer that it's played in San Siro or Camp Nou or something. I think Rugby needs to expand into developing nations and give them some top quality Heineken Cup rugby. Didn't Italy sell out the San Siro before to play New Zealand or someone like that? I'm sure it would sell out again for a Heineken Cup final from local interest alone.

I think Italian rugby needs to be given a major marketing push over the next few years with the national side in 6 Nations, the new provinces in Heineken Cup and Magners League, they need to start pulling in the crowds and growing the sport. France were very weak when they first joined the then 5 nations, and have become arguably the best Northern Hempisphere side for the most part. Italy could replicate this.

Heineken Cups 2011 and 2012

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