éirigí Protest

OhNoYouDidn't

On the basis the GRA's position on the bank bailout is ultra critical and led to the Minister for Justice boycotting their conference, can someone please explain to me why the protest today was dealt with such ruthless ferocity by the Gardaí?

silverharp

to be fair they are not a popular movement and they were trespassing. I'll not shed a tear if a bunch of left wing scummers have their heads cracked.

OhNoYouDidn't

silverharp wrote: »

to be fair they are not a popular movement and they were trespassing. I'll not shed a tear if a bunch of left wing scummers have their heads cracked.

Well they are much more popular today then they were yesterday.

I'm not arguing that the protest needed to be dealt with, but did the Gardaí really need to baton charge gawpers and literally stick the boot in? It seems contradictory that the Garda union agrees with these 'left wing scummers' analysis and then goes out and hospitalises a number of them, including with punches and kicks.

Seems like an unnecessary turning up of the heat....

Kristopherus

silverharp wrote: »

to be fair they are not a popular movement and they were trespassing. I'll not shed a tear if a bunch of left wing scummers have their heads cracked.

Agreed. What gives those good-for-nothing wasters the right to forcefully occupy any building that does not belong to them. Of course offering themselves for election would be alien to them :rolleyes:

OhNoYouDidn't

Kristopherus wrote: »

Agreed. What gives those good-for-nothing wasters the right to forcefully occupy any building that does not belong to them. Of course offering themselves for election would be alien to them :rolleyes:

I see the tone is going to be to describe them as waste and justify giving them, literally, a kicking because of this.

But the key point is how is it different to, say, threatening industrial action? Are the Gardaí workers in blue and in this with the rest of the public sector and angry about the FF destruction of the economy or are they the storm troopers of the state? They seemed to give a pointed and brutal answer to that on the Green today....

It seems very contradictory for the GRA to make militant speeches threatening action over government banking policy and then the Gardaí dish out some very severe beatings to a group who do exactly that.

Hooch

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

On the basis the GRA's position on the bank bailout is ultra critical and led to the Minister for Justice boycotting their conference, can someone please explain to me why the protest today was dealt with such ruthless ferocity by the Gardaí?

The Garda responded to the illegal entry and illegal occupation of a private building. The Garda used force to remove them and rightfully so. The protesters refused to leave.....they were removed....they resisted.....them were removed with force.

We are sworn to uphold the laws of this land, whether we agree with the Government or not is not relevant. We have a job to do and we will do it.

If this turns into a trolling thread it will be locked.

OhNoYouDidn't

nice guy always wrote: »

The Garda responded to the illegal entry and illegal occupation of a private building. The Garda used force to remove them and rightfully so. The protesters refused to leave.....they were removed....they resisted.....them were removed with force.

We are sworn to uphold the laws of this land, whether we agree with the Government or not is not relevant. We have a job to do and we will do it.

If this turns into a trolling thread it will be locked.

Its a public building if one is to be semantic...

That is all taken as a given, the Gardaí had to deal with the protest of course. What I am wondering about is the manner in which the Gardaí dealt with the issue. A neighbour of mine is in hospital with internal bleeding as a result of a number of kicks to the stomach from a Garda, and he was simply protesting, not involved in the occupation.

There was a level of aggression from the Gardaí today not seen since the H Block protests, and I think that is worthy of debate, especially seeing as the aims of the protest are fundamentally in line with the aims of your union.

I have to agree with NGA here. If a Garda had to have been beat to death by these guys, they'd say it was necessary and for their cause. If a Garda pushes one of these guys out of a building, there's screams of "Police Brutality".


I can assure ye, after having seen some of the clips on youtube and the likes of what went down with these guys recently, I only wish there was some Police Brutality. Might knock some sense into them.

Don't get me wrong now, I'm not trying to cast these guys as evil-doers or anything. I'm sure they believe in what they're standing up for and all, but do they think that because they're protesting, they have immunity?

OhNoYouDidn't

Deleted User wrote: »

I have to agree with NGA here. If a Garda had to have been beat to death by these guys, they'd say it was necessary and for their cause. If a Garda pushes one of these guys out of a building, there's screams of "Police Brutality".


I can assure ye, after having seen some of the clips on youtube and the likes of what went down with these guys recently, I only wish there was some Police Brutality. Might knock some sense into them.

Don't get me wrong now, I'm not trying to cast these guys as evil-doers or anything. I'm sure they believe in what they're standing up for and all, but do they think that because they're protesting, they have immunity?

When was a Garda ever 'beaten to death' at any demo in this country? Thats a strawman.

Immunity from what though? Of course the Gardaí had to end the occupation, but did they need to use punches and kicks to do so? Not one Garda injury yet a number of protesters in hospital does not sound to me like a resonable or proportionate level of response. The Gardaí were not attacked or abused at this protest.

Can I take it from your response that the Gardaí have decided that eirigi are a group that need sense 'knocked into'?

eroo

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Its a public building if one is to be semantic...

That is all taken as a given, the Gardaí had to deal with the protest of course. What I am wondering about is the manner in which the Gardaí dealt with the issue. A neighbour of mine is in hospital with internal bleeding as a result of a number of kicks to the stomach from a Garda, and he was simply protesting, not involved in the occupation.

There was a level of aggression from the Gardaí today not seen since the H Block protests, and I think that is worthy of debate, especially seeing as the aims of the protest are fundamentally in line with the aims of your union.

As NGA stated, they broke the law and were arrested.. just like anyone else would be. They resisted, possibly using force, and were arrested through use of force.

To be honest, as the cases were just before the court today and are still under investigation I do not think it is right to discuss them. However I will say this: for one of the arrested protesters to be remanded in custody means it is a very serious incident. If your neighbor or you yourself have complaints about AGS's handling of the protest and detention of protesters, contact the Garda Siochana Ombudsman Commision.

OhNoYouDidn't

eroo wrote: »

As NGA stated, they broke the law and were arrested.. just like anyone else would be. They resisted, possibly using force, and were arrested through use of force.

To be honest, as the cases were just before the court today and are still under investigation I do not think it is right to discuss them. However I will say this: for one of the arrested protesters to be remanded in custody means it is a very serious incident. If your neighbor or you yourself have complaints about AGS's handling of the protest and detention of protesters, contact the Garda Siochana Ombudsman Commision.

I have no doubt he will, but I am not here to speak for him.

But to get away from the specific to the general in terms of the rules of this forum, every report I have seen on today seems to have a recurring theme, the Gardaí were exceptionally aggressive. Is this a taste of what is to come with a long summer of protest (including by AGS) or just this particular group that were perceived to have deserved it?

wicklaman83

eroo wrote: »

As NGA stated, they broke the law and were arrested.. just like anyone else would be. They resisted, possibly using force, and were arrested through use of force.

To be honest, as the cases were just before the court today and are still under investigation I do not think it is right to discuss them. However I will say this: for one of the arrested protesters to be remanded in custody means it is a very serious incident. If your neighbor or you yourself have complaints about AGS's handling of the protest and detention of protesters, contact the Garda Siochana Ombudsman Commision.

Ohnoyoudont can i just advise you this poster is just a student so although he might sound he knows what he's talkin about he doesnt

OhNoYouDidn't

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

When was a Garda ever 'beaten to death' at any demo in this country? Thats a strawman.

Immunity from what though? Of course the Gardaí had to end the occupation, but did they need to use punches and kicks to do so? Not one Garda injury yet a number of protesters in hospital does not sound to me like a resonable or proportionate level of response. The Gardaí were not attacked or abused at this protest.

Can I take it from your response that the Gardaí have decided that eirigi are a group that need sense 'knocked into'?

Firstly, just incase there's any confusion, I've no association with the Gardaì at all.

You'll note the use of the word "if" at the start of my post. My point is that these people are playing the sympathy, "oh, poor me" card and deserve what is coming to them.

Watch the youtube videos of the protestors trying to get into the Dàilf for example. Towards the end of the TV3 one, a woman is holding her head saying a Garda picked her out and deliberately attacker her. The TV3 guy repeatedly says to her "they were trying to break past the Gardaì to get into the Dàil and the woman ignore him, pretty much continually saying how right she is and how the Gardaì should've just let them walk in.


Of all the youtube videos, pictures, posts, threads and stories I've heard of on the internet and from people in real life, every time I ever hear of a Garda using force on a person, it always, always seems that the Garda had no choice in the matter.


In opinion; If you harass or resist a Garda, you deserve what you get.

OhNoYouDidn't

Deleted User wrote: »

Of all the youtube videos, pictures, posts, threads and stories I've heard of on the internet and from people in real life, every time I ever hear of a Garda using force on a person, it always, always seems that the Garda had no choice in the matter.

I'd be fascinated to know what situation means a Garda had no choice but to stick the boot into someone on the deck?

Deleted User wrote: »

In opinion; If you harass or resist a Garda, you deserve what you get.

Seriously?

A slap? A kick? A bullet?

Odysseus

nice guy always wrote: »

The Garda responded to the illegal entry and illegal occupation of a private building. The Garda used force to remove them and rightfully so. The protesters refused to leave.....they were removed....they resisted.....them were removed with force.

We are sworn to uphold the laws of this land, whether we agree with the Government or not is not relevant. We have a job to do and we will do it.

If this turns into a trolling thread it will be locked.

Serious question, but I don't know if you or any other member can answer it, maybe from a hypothetical viewpoint. It appeared that some of the protesters had head injuries, especially with an ASP it that not a red area?

Now I only seen a bit of on the News that night and I have to admit I'm guessing about the cause of those injuries. However, I have doing a bit of stick work with members of other forces, its a few years now. However, from what I remember those guys would have stated that during their training, the head was seen as a last response. I also know the difference between training and real life situation.

I'm not trolling and more than likely you guys are not in a position to comment on it publicly, forgive the pun, it was something that struck me whilst I was watching them bit I seen

Mr Jinx

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

I'd be fascinated to know what situation means a Garda had no choice but to stick the boot into someone on the deck?



Seriously?

A slap? A kick? A bullet?

How do you know this happened ? did you witness these events? or were these horrific events described to you by your friend/eirigi/any idiot off indymedia who are obsessed with their "secret police".

OhNoYouDidn't

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

I'd be fascinated to know what situation means a Garda had no choice but to stick the boot into someone on the deck?

You seen the Dàil-gates video, the Shell protestors and the likes. The Gardaì might even agree with the protestors, but they're sent places to get things done. For the most part... they'll do it.

Seriously?

A slap? A kick? A bullet?

Bullets aren't exactly commonplace in An Garda Sìochàna, but yes, I stand by what I say. If a Garda repeatedly asks you to move from a location and you want to play the hard man, I would personally hope you are dragged violently into the nearest squad car and beat into the back of it. (not you personally, obviosuly, I'm talking in general)


In many cases, the Gardaì are nice guys and normally won't do that, because they're all for an easier life or don't want to run the streets attacking people (ie; just like everyone else).

However, how many times can a Garda threaten to ues force against you to remove you, but not actually do it, before he becomes a laughing stock?

The Gardaì aren't a National group of comedians. They're already far too friendly at the moment in my opinion. The country is going down the toilet as far as crime is concerned. If Judges are just going to slap the wrists of criminals, then I firmly believe that the Gardaì should be seen to be putting manners on people.


I believe a slap off a Garda would sort many situations out a lot quicker than back and forth bickering. But as I say above, they're a nice group of people, and I've never had a bad experience with them, they clearly don't want to be going around attacking people.


These protestors wouldn't budge and so the Gardaì removed them using necessary force, not excessive force.


Can you imagine how many people were burgled, attacked and robbed, and Gardaì couldn't get to the scene because they had to babysit these clowns instead?

Cavehill Red

Deleted User wrote: »

Bullets aren't exactly commonplace in An Garda Sìochàna, but yes, I stand by what I say. If a Garda repeatedly asks you to move from a location and you want to play the hard man, I would personally hope you are dragged violently into the nearest squad car and beat into the back of it.

That's a frankly appalling statement to make.

eroo

darren254 wrote: »

Ohnoyoudont can i just advise you this poster is just a student so although he might sound he knows what he's talkin about he doesnt

I'm not a student, I have a job and earn my keep.

Cavehill Red

Cavehill Red wrote: »

That's a frankly appalling statement to make.

OK, So finish the story;

"Today I was dispatched to a scene where a man had entered a location and refused to move. I approached him and asked him to remove him self from the location but he insisted he would not move under any circumstances.

So, I decided the best course of action was to..."

Cavehill Red

Why are you moving the man along from this location?

Trespassing.

Hooch

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Its a public building if one is to be semantic...

That is all taken as a given, the Gardaí had to deal with the protest of course. What I am wondering about is the manner in which the Gardaí dealt with the issue. A neighbour of mine is in hospital with internal bleeding as a result of a number of kicks to the stomach from a Garda, and he was simply protesting, not involved in the occupation.

There was a level of aggression from the Gardaí today not seen since the H Block protests, and I think that is worthy of debate, especially seeing as the aims of the protest are fundamentally in line with the aims of your union.

If your neighbour is in hospital then im sure he was involved in it....outside the building. In a public disorder situation when a Garda directs you to leave....thats exactly what you do.

I have seen too many of these "peaceful protesters" playing sick and injuried only to walk away from hospital hours later.....then only thing delaying them being the understaffed Nurses!!!

The level of force would have been in proportion to that which was needed. Lets just get this right......the incident was a Riot. Simple. Please beware that lethal force is authorised for quelling a Riot.....though in our society protesters like these should thank themselves lucky.....try doing it in another country and see what happens.

Odysseus wrote: »

Serious question, but I don't know if you or any other member can answer it, maybe from a hypothetical viewpoint. It appeared that some of the protesters had head injuries, especially with an ASP it that not a red area?

If you are refering to the Dail issue last week....please look carefully at the videos. Apart from seeing the Rossport "rent a crowd for trouble brigade" in the middle of it, note that the man with the long hair who says he was hit by Gardai...can be clearly seen being hit by his own protesters!!!


The head is a red point....however one of the international ASP strikes is to the shoulder, in an attempt to break the collar bone. If a protester makes sudden movements...IE attacking a member of AGS then there is no telling where the strike may end up. Im not trying to suttly say we hit people in the head....we most certainly do not....however remember....its them that unlawfully entered and occupied a premises and refused to leave.

Odysseus wrote: »

However, from what I remember those guys would have stated that during their training, the head was seen as a last response. I also know the difference between training and real life situation.

It is a last response....however try aiming for someone coming running at you or trying to pull you to the ground......


Right im tending to agree with Eroo on this, it is under active Criminal Investigation which will hopefully lead to serious criminal convictions.

Im going to lock the thread. Anyone who wants to discuss the lock PM me and i'll take it to our mod forum.