End of 15 aside comp for u12 and down

greengreen

I was wondering what people think of the new go game model being rolled out by the GAA.It will replace comp. at u12 level with skills workshops and small mini games with no scores/winners. Will this promote more interest or will kids look to rugby and soccer to be on a team that plays in a competition? Any opinions either way?

Spiritoftheseventies

This is being done in soccer as well in some leagues.Good idea IMO. Skill development are very important part of the process so it will be time well spent.

D'Agger

Honestly I don't see the point in doing this - growing up we played out u-12 football matches and used training for skills development which aided us as a team. You need competition as far as I'm concerned and anybody will tell you that you can train all you want but playing matches gives you that bit of sharpness and develops you as a footballer

Razor60

These changes were brought into Dublin football many years ago to develop each and every player, even the weaker players.

The small sided game started off over 10 years ago and has since been devloped into Juvenile games or Go Games as we know it.

The idea of small sided games is to give the weaker players more touches of the ball or strikes on the hurl.

At 15 a side only the manager would put this player in corner forward and he/she would never get a touch of the ball.

Competition......Games up to U11 are non competitive.....even though all adults make the game competitive. Let the kids play ball and they will enjoy themselves.. When they get to U12 they can worry about competitions and improving as a player.

If there is anything else you wish to discuss just drop us a line......

rebel girl 15

A study by Niall Moyna showed that with the smaller games, the players get more touches per game, there are more shots on goals, a higher perceived exertion and a higher perceived competence.

It is much better for developing skills in players when they are getting more touches on the ball. It is a great development imo

Lex Luthor

I get requests all the time from managers of opposing teams to play as many players as possible in a game so they all get a chance but I decline as much as possible. My opinion is that the more on the pitch, the better players dominate more and weaker players fade off into the corners.

at U10 level which I am involved with, I try to give as many players a game as possible and move them around in different positions. There is a kid who has constantly been played at club level up at corner forward that never sees the ball, that I have played in midfield or centre forward in the school team. In the last few games he has gained so much confidence that it has spilled into his club team.

Competition is good for kids. We play small 7 a side games on Thurs night and the kids love playing them as there is a lot of passing. We even go to the extreme to give a foul against a team if they play a ball without looking up and just 'hoofing' it or if they pass a ball to a team mate in a crod of players when they have the option of passing to a player in space.

Too many adults are trying to play the game they missed out on as kids through the kids and its not right. They need to let the kids play the game and win or lose on their own merits.

If a kid is interested in GAA they will play it for the love of the sport and not the scoring. Its up to the mentors to help them follow any guidleines put out in front of them

Spiritoftheseventies

Always thought it was thirteen aside for under 12s to begin with

1united

Whilst I agree with the theory that the smaller games gives all players plenty of touches of the ball, in our club in reality all that happens is that the better players can just by-pass the weaker (don't like to use this word) players, which only disheartens these players even more. Even putting the stronger players in defence they can just carry the ball as far as they can then shoot to score from near midfield.

Lex Luthor

I was speaking to the U12 manager at my club and he is not happy that he now has to go back to playing less players on the pitch as they played 15 a side for the last year and the kids will find it hard to change.

The one rule that I think is excellent is limiting players to 2 touches of the ball. It restricts really good players from dominating a game and promotes passing a lot more. Our lads recently played in a Comm Games match against a team that had a really strong midfielder that would not be out of place in a 12yr old match. He dominated the game and because it was full rules he was able to travel from midfield to scoring position and won the game for them.

Their forwards got virtually no touches of the ball for the majority of the game and even though they won and were probably happy, I would like to see them involved more.

rebel girl 15

There is a simple solution for not having as many players on the team - play two games. I know some camogie clubs in Cork play 9/10 a side across the pitch, with two games going on at the one time. More players playing at the same time, and most underage clubs have 20 players per panel

There is a one hop one solo rule that was brought in for under 12 and 14 this year in Cork, I've been told

keane2097

1united wrote: »

Whilst I agree with the theory that the smaller games gives all players plenty of touches of the ball, in our club in reality all that happens is that the better players can just by-pass the weaker (don't like to use this word) players, which only disheartens these players even more. Even putting the stronger players in defence they can just carry the ball as far as they can then shoot to score from near midfield.

Just limit players to one hop/one solo obv.

deisedude

I think its a great idea. There is too much of an emphasis at winning at all costs at the expense of teaching kids the skills of the game. Not just in GAA either

Lex Luthor

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

There is a simple solution for not having as many players on the team - play two games. I know some camogie clubs in Cork play 9/10 a side across the pitch, with two games going on at the one time. More players playing at the same time, and most underage clubs have 20 players per panel

There is a one hop one solo rule that was brought in for under 12 and 14 this year in Cork, I've been told

Thats great in theory but not all clubs have big panels. Up here in Kildare, only the big towns have big panels...some country clubs can barely field 11 at the age group.

rebel girl 15

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Thats great in theory but not all clubs have big panels. Up here in Kildare, only the big towns have big panels...some country clubs can barely field 11 at the age group.

You have a couple of options then - have the big town clubs play the big town clubs and the country clubs play the country clubs. Or if the country club with 11/12 players is playing a town club, then the town club could play one team in the first half and another in the second, or they have two country teams come play their two panels. Its all about a small bit of foresight and organisation for it to work!

keane2097

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

You have a couple of options then - have the big town clubs play the big town clubs and the country clubs play the country clubs. Or if the country club with 11/12 players is playing a town club, then the town club could play one team in the first half and another in the second, or they have two country teams come play their two panels. Its all about a small bit of foresight and organisation for it to work!

+1

Is it really that hard to think of a workaround for that situation?

rebel girl's suggestions came to mind pretty much instantly, and solve the problem pretty easily.

Mute

greengreen wrote: »

I was wondering what people think of the new go game model being rolled out by the GAA.It will replace comp. at u12 level with skills workshops and small mini games with no scores/winners. Will this promote more interest or will kids look to rugby and soccer to be on a team that plays in a competition? Any opinions either way?

Its already lost my 12yr to rugby.

The need to understand to compete at that levlel.

keane2097

Mute wrote: »

Its already lost my 12yr to rugby.

The need to understand to compete at that levlel.

Agreed - abit of healthy competition is vital for people to become passionate about a sport imo.

Razor60

Hi there,

As a member of the committee that introduced Go Games structure to Dublin, here are my views.

Dublin have large numbers at all age groups and teams numbers do change from week to week with extra players joining and also teams losing numbers.

Under 8's would play 7 a side
Under 9's would play 9 a side
Under 10's would play 9 a side
Under 11's would play 11 a side
Under 12's would play 13 a side

Within each age group, teams a grouped for fixtures based on the number
of teams they can field and they would travel together. At under 8's in Dublin, some clubs have 3 teams travelling together every saturday morning to a venue. A, B, and C teams are not streamed at this age group. Its great for logistics. If a club wishes to break that group up, they would need seperate mentors to travel with each team.

So each club would say how many teams they field and they are grouped accordingly. If you can only field 1 team, you only play against teams with 1 team.

This could work in all counties but they would need to have mentors to take both teams.

Streaming would take place from U10 upwards.... so if you had 2 teams, your A panel would be your strongest team.

Cups are run on an aggregate score basis for 2 team groups, whereas for the league seperate league tables are kept for the A and B team.

For it to work, each county needs to encourage all clubs to have all the relavant equipment to play. The Board would have to train up club referees.

Anyway, they are my thoughts......any questions

Lex Luthor

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

You have a couple of options then - have the big town clubs play the big town clubs and the country clubs play the country clubs. Or if the country club with 11/12 players is playing a town club, then the town club could play one team in the first half and another in the second, or they have two country teams come play their two panels. Its all about a small bit of foresight and organisation for it to work!

What we did at our club which is fairly big is create a 3rd team with the excess of players and request that team to be added in the league structure. We had no option as some players were not always getting as much time on the pitch. Now every player is getting a lot more game play