2000 new teaching jobs

population

In today's Independent

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/2000-new-teaching-jobs-as-pupil-numbers-soar-2177959.html

I believe education is important but seriously where is the money going to come from???

average_runner

Make cuts in other departments, education is important and this is a move that needs to happen with the baby boom at full speed.

Can always make cuts in council offices etc

The_Honeybadger

40 million a year, we gave anglo 4 billion last year, I know what I'd rather spend money on. If they are needed due to pupil numbers then the state has little option but to hire them, thats 2000 off the dole also, very positive news IMO

ei.sdraob

mickeyk wrote: »

40 million a year, we gave anglo 4 billion last year, I know what I'd rather spend money on. If they are needed due to pupil numbers then the state has little option but to hire them, thats 2000 off the dole also, very positive news IMO

Matt Copper mode on:

how dare they hire 2000 new teachers when there are people in negative equity :rolleyes:

gandalf

As long as they make those teachers who are on temporary contracts permanent first and weed out the ones who are just taking up space as well. While I welcome 2000 new jobs there is no point throwing money at this without ensuring we are getting value for money.

I agree that the majority of teachers do a good job but there are a minority who do not and there should be a mechanism to remove them from positions like there should be a mechanism to reward the few teachers who go above the call of duty to their students as well.

Banned Account

I have no problem with incraesing teaching numbers - after they look at the curriculum, length of hours, performance of staff, average salaries and duty payments.

ardmacha

This is the proper way to plan PS provision. Determine the volume of output required and if this has increased then increase the numbers, or the opposite. Whatever observations people may have about individual teachers performance, it is clear what they are supposed to do, which is not true of much of the bureaucracy.

gandalf

ardmacha wrote: »

This is the proper way to plan PS provision. Determine the volume of output required and if this has increased then increase the numbers, or the opposite. Whatever observations people may have about individual teachers performance, it is clear what they are supposed to do, which is not true of much of the bureaucracy.

Agreed but again why hire 2000 when for example 2500 enthusiastic teachers could be hired and 500 under performing ones let go. There is no point increasing numbers employed if some of the existing pool of teachers are not performing their duties and allowing students to exit the education system without the adequate skills they are supposed to have to function and get a job in society.

And as Fitzcaraldo has said this should be part of a review and reform of all facets of our education system.

This article from the IT a few days ago makes interesting reading

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/education/2010/0511/1224270129062.html?via=mr

Sponge Bob

they did not mention that the Croke park agreement will oblige any teacher surplus in their own school to move up to 30 miles to work.

600 will be in primary and 330 in second-level

But there are schools with too many teachers and they will be redeployed first. The net result will not necessarily be 930 new slots. Right now they don't quite know how many will retire this summer either.

Permabear

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ardmacha

Since children are born several years before entering school, there is scope for not replacing teachers when they retire, if the numbers are dropping.

dean21

Now here is a chance for some of you moaning private sector to join the public sector

Tipp Man

dean21 wrote: »

Now here is a chance for some of you moaning private sector to join the public sector

Yeah cause there aren't enough people doing Arts courses as it is

doc_17

donegalfella wrote: »

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This provision is already in place. Schools staffing allocations are based on the number of students they enrol. If the number goes up so does the allocation, if it falls so does the allocation. That's why those teachers are being appointed. It is also the reason why those teachers were not appointed last year.

Nijmegen

They'll just do what they always do: Half the teaching jobs won't be created, quietly, and they'll pay for the other lot by not paying out grants that are promises to the schools, as per usual.

lily09

These are not extra jobs. They will maintain the pupil teacher ratio, it is due to rise in birth rate.This is not a huge announcment, it was announced in the December budget.

Unfortunatly as there are only 7 extra schools being built this year, it will be interesting to see where they are going to go..

dean21

dean21 wrote: »

Now here is a chance for some of you moaning private sector to join the public sector

f that, thanks though

implausible

donegalfella wrote: »

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You're obviously unaware that that's how the system already works!:rolleyes: Numbers fall, you lose teachers; numbers go up, the school gets more teachers.

The media have made a big meal out of this, making it sound like a boom for the teaching profession. It's a simple reaction to a simple equation: more children = more teachers.

oppenheimer1

population wrote: »

In today's Independent

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/2000-new-teaching-jobs-as-pupil-numbers-soar-2177959.html

I believe education is important but seriously where is the money going to come from???

My guess is its going to come from third level, where fees will be reintroduced.