ATH Knockout match no.4: Dare 2 Defy vs Dieselqueen

Bounty Hunter

So we had a quality opener with Voltwad seing off Volt_2007 to progress on to face Flahavaj in the quaterfinal and the really tight Degag vs Campo match which saw Campo progress to another QF, This was followed by the tie of the round imo (no offense to anyone) when Waltersobcheck booked his place in the next round at Danger Dave's expense.... now we find out the final first round winner as Dare 2 Defy takes on Dieselqueen.

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Q4: Not everyone likes celebrity involvement in pro-wrestling but its been proved in the past that if booked right this can be a big draw for a promotion. With that in mind if you could pick one feasable celebrity to have an angle in either TNA or WWE who would you pick? why them? and how would you suggest them being used during their time in that promotion?

good luck folks

D.Q

Hmmm a booking competition with a BWE booker. Good evening PW forum.

Celebrity involvement within the wrestling business seems to be a topical subject of late, with the New York times article, as well as Stephanie's recent comments about the guest host slot being the hottest ticket in Hollywood.

With that in mind, the celebrity I would book is Hollywood actor, Dwayne Johnson. Johnson has starred in such films as The Scorpion King, Doom and Race to Witch mountain. Oh yeah, and he's The Rock.

I find it interesting that the question BH provided implies that there is some form of choice. It has to be the Rock. With huge mainstream appeal, both in America and the UK, the Rock is an instantly recognisable face in most households. And to wrestling fans? He is a symbol of THE golden age in Pro Wrestling. But, and this is key, his legacy and the fact he has kept his profile high enough means that even todays Cena loving 10 year olds would cheer for him. Unlike say, Bret's lukewarm reception. The fans still care.

Probably the best promo the business has ever seen, and while he was no Kurt Angle in the ring, the man could tell a story between the ropes and create seriously electrifying matches. This combination of mainstream appeal and his appeal to wrestling fans, means that booking the Rock = $$$

Now, how would I book him. It would start with a guest host spot on Raw. John Cena walking backstage, comes face to face with the rock..nothing is said, just a staredown before the rock walks on.

After that I would have Cena hold the title, as he turns slightly heel, not full blown heel, not mean. But just arrogant, too confident in his own abilities. Proclaiming to be the best of all time sort of stuff. During this time he would be feuding with Orton. I would have the rock continually interrupt him via video on the titantron. Cena becoming more and more angry.

At the Royal rumble, I would have Orton take Cena to the limit, the ref takes a bump and Cena fearing a loss, grabs his title.. then the rocks music hits, and he costs Cena the title. I figure Cenas behaviour would put Orton more over as a face so that Cena could run as a heel going into Wrestlemania.

I'm not going to go into too much detail for the months leading up to Mania, the usual one upmanship. The rock could cost him his rematch at no way out etc.

Then I'd market the hell out of wrestlemania as the great one's return to the ring. Id have them brawl, like austin - rock at wm 17. This would take the spotlight away from their less than stellar ring skills and allow them to do what they do best, tell a story. Cena of course would have to go over.

I feel a program with the rock would cement Cena as THE star of todays wrestling world. The angle would split the fans completely, and be very very compelling viewing, which means buyrates. This is of course, more important to the board of directors than appealing to the fans, but this angle leaves everyone happy.

This angle would allow Cena to have a run as a slight heel, maybe test the waters(and win him some internet fans:P). As well as giving the Rock a proper send off, allow him to close the door on wrestling once and for all. Raw the next night would be a fitting tribute.

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There's been a load of problems in bringing in The Rock to even host Raw due to him promoting his movies and him shooting movies movies so the prospect of him even competing in a match would be little to none.

Sure you'd get the ratings on that match against Cena but you have to consider that Rock's last wrestling match was back in March 2004. There's no way imo that Rock could produce a great match considering he's been out of the ring as an active competitor for the last 6 years.

You also have to take into account that John Cena's merchandise (the orange tee's, form finger etc...) is the biggest seller in the WWE so by turning Cena heel, WWE would hit a loss (major or little, it doesn't really matter) in revenue from this.

He is a symbol of THE golden age in Pro Wrestling. But, and this is key, his legacy and the fact he has kept his profile high enough means that even todays Cena loving 10 year olds would cheer for him.

He's definetly up there as a symbol of modern wrestling but to say that 10 year old kids that cheer for Cena would cheer for Rock doesn't make much sense imo. They would've been 4 at the time of Rock's last match and I doubt they would've even watched WWF/WWE back then or even remember the "attitude" era of which The Rock was a major part of. Imo, the kids would only hear of the Rock the same way they've heard of Bret, through his legacy.

The angle would split the fans completely

I can't get around this point. How exactly would the fans be split down the middle if Rock would be face and Cena, the heel?? Cena is majorly over in the "WWE Universe" and by turning him heel by being cocky and arrogant would obviously turn the fans from him. The crowd would obviously be pro-Rock in this match and, imo, no-one would cheer for Cena, thus the fans wouldn't be split, they'd be pro-Rock and that's it.

and be very very compelling viewing, which means buyrates

While it probably would be compelling viewing, it doesn't equal buyrates. Take Mania 26, it had a great card and a brilliant build to it but it only did a 855,000 buyrate (lower than last year's Mania) so that's not true.


Anyway:
Q4: Not everyone likes celebrity involvement in pro-wrestling but its been proved in the past that if booked right this can be a big draw for a promotion. With that in mind if you could pick one feasable celebrity to have an angle in either TNA or WWE who would you pick? why them? and how would you suggest them being used during their time in that promotion?

This is a fairly tough question but I'll give it my best shot at it.

The celebrity I'd choose to book is an actor and is literally a part of wrestling history. Staring in films such as Damage, The Longest Yard and The Condemned, this man who broke Sylvester Stallone's neck in a fight scene for his new movie, The Expendables. He is Steve Williams but he's better known to fans as "Stone Cold" Steve Austin.

Like the Rock, most of the kids would know Stone Cold from his legacy in the attitude era but unlike Rock, Stone Cold was part of Mania 23 as the special guest ref in the battle of the billionaire's match and was the special guest ref at Cyber Sunday 08 (which was a PG PPV). Recently inducted into the HoF in 2009 as well as being a Raw guest-host on March 15th, I'd say most of the "WWE Universe" are pretty familiar with Stone Cold.

I'd start my storyline off in September. The WWE are having a mini-draft (to stack SD up for their debut on SyFy). 2 big names are moved around with Orton heading to SD while CM Punk goes to Raw. Punk loses his last match on SD against Taker. Teddy Long comes out to hake his hand to thank him for his services to SD but Punk informs him that he bringing Gallows, Serena and "the masked wrestler" (who'd be revealed by now) with him to Raw.

Punk loses a qualifying match to face the WWE champ at "Night of Champions". Over the next few weeks, he wants to improve his S.E.S by adding fresh blood to it. On 1 Raw in October, Punk goes down to the ring and cut's a promo and claims that Raw need's to be cleaned and, most importantly saved, from the evils of alcohol and prescription drugs. He ask's for anyone in the back that need's to be saved. Out comes WWE Champ, John Cena. Punk praises Cena for coming out as he's the shining example to the youth of the "WWE Universe" and will be the perfect member of the Straight Edge Society. Cena claim's that while the Straight Edge Society is a good idea, the face that Punk runs it defy's the meaning of it being any good.

The match between Cena and Punk for the Title is set for the new PPV that's replacing Survivor Series. Punk beat's down on Cena backstage 3 week's before the PPV, posing a doubt on him defending the title at the PPV. 2 week's before the PPV, we see that Cena is talking to someone on his mobile about helping him out and something about a torch in 2009. Cena ends the call with "So you'll be there for the PPV? Cool". Punk beat's John Morrison on Raw and then cut's a promo on how on Sunday week, he'll be the 1st ever Straight Edge WWE Champion. Cena comes out and informs Punk that he can bring his S.E.S to ringside with him to the PPV because Cena's not coming alone. The next week see's a worried Punk going around asking people who Cena's bringing with him on Sunday. Punk see's a few beer-can's lying around his locker room and a skull on his clothes and snaps.

At the PPV, Punk is out in the ring waiting impatiently for Cena to arrive while Serena and Gallows are at ringside. Cena comes out, ready for the match (and proving his doubters wrong). Both Cena and Punk go face-to-face as we wait and see who is in Cena's corner. *GLASS SMASHES* - Cue crowd going wild as Stone Cold makes his way down to ringside. The match would eventually end with Cena getting the win and a Stunner to Gallows and then, Punk. Both Cena and Austin celebrate with a couple of beer's as the crowd goes wild.

The next night on Raw, Austin and Cena would come out. Austin would praise Cena. Punk and the S.E.S would come out to ruin it but would get beaten off. Austin and Cena would celebrate with Austin shaking Cena's hand. Cena would leave the ring leaving Austin to give a speech. The rest of the Raw roster (bar S.E.S) would come out and Austin get's the fitting send-off he deserves.

Having Austin in a non-wrestling role would be ok as he's not able to actually compete due to his health. Leaving suttle hint's like the beer-cans and the skull would obviously give off the idea of Austin. Cena having Austin in his corner makes sense because of what happened at the '09 HoF when Austin "passed the torch" onto Cena while having Punk involved in this is perfect as Austin is renowned at enjoying a beer while Punk is Straight Edge. I feel having this match at the new PPV would draw in the numbers.

D.Q

Dare_2_defy wrote: »

There's been a load of problems in bringing in The Rock to even host Raw due to him promoting his movies and him shooting movies movies so the prospect of him even competing in a match would be little to none.
Sure you'd get the ratings on that match against Cena but you have to consider that Rock's last wrestling match was back in March 2004. There's no way imo that Rock could produce a great match considering he's been out of the ring as an active competitor for the last 6 years.

I didn't in any way mean that the two would put on a wrestling clinic. The big match feel of the fight would be enough to carry the two to a great spectacle. Much like Hogan-Rock, it would be more about the spectacle than great technical wrestling. Their personas alone would make it brilliant.

Dare_2_defy wrote: »

You also have to take into account that John Cena's merchandise (the orange tee's, form finger etc...) is the biggest seller in the WWE so by turning Cena heel, WWE would hit a loss (major or little, it doesn't really matter) in revenue from this.

Two things, with Randy carrying the belt, having been put over more as a face, his merch sales would probably be up. Also, the rocks merch is still on sale, with him returning to the ring, his sales would increase. And thats on top of the fact that people would still buy Cena shirts. His Merch sales wouldnt drop completely. The kids would still like him.

Dare_2_defy wrote: »

He's definetly up there as a symbol of modern wrestling but to say that 10 year old kids that cheer for Cena would cheer for Rock doesn't make much sense imo. They would've been 4 at the time of Rock's last match and I doubt they would've even watched WWF/WWE back then or even remember the "attitude" era of which The Rock was a major part of. Imo, the kids would only hear of the Rock the same way they've heard of Bret, through his legacy.

No, I disagree. Unlike Bret, the rock has figured prominently in recent wwe videogames. He has also been back a few times with Eugene, diva competition, and the video message for Smackdown anniversary. The reaction he has recieved for the video was huge. And that was the most recent of his appearances. Plus, unlike Bret, the wwe have protected his Legacy. Ie. No midgets.

I can't get around this point. How exactly would the fans be split down the middle if Rock would be face and Cena, the heel?? Cena is majorly over in the "WWE Universe" and by turning him heel by being cocky and arrogant would obviously turn the fans from him. The crowd would obviously be pro-Rock in this match and, imo, no-one would cheer for Cena, thus the fans wouldn't be split, they'd be pro-Rock and that's it.

I specified that I didnt mean to turn him completely heel. Just slightly. Not turn him against the fans. Some fans would agree, that yes, Cena is the best thing since sliced bread, while others wouldnt. You can see at any wrestling event, how much the younger fans love cena. If he came out and said he was the best, they would agree.

While it probably would be compelling viewing, it doesn't equal buyrates. Take Mania 26, it had a great card and a brilliant build to it but it only did a 855,000 buyrate (lower than last year's Mania) so that's not true.

yet, a wise man once said..

Dare_2_defy wrote: »

Sure you'd get the ratings on that match against Cena

Anyway:
Q4: Not everyone likes celebrity involvement in pro-wrestling but its been proved in the past that if booked right this can be a big draw for a promotion. With that in mind if you could pick one feasable celebrity to have an angle in either TNA or WWE who would you pick? why them? and how would you suggest them being used during their time in that promotion?

This is a fairly tough question but I'll give it my best shot at it.

The celebrity I'd choose to book is an actor and is literally a part of wrestling history. Staring in films such as Damage, The Longest Yard and The Condemned, this man who broke Sylvester Stallone's neck in a fight scene for his new movie, The Expendables. He is Steve Williams but he's better known to fans as "Stone Cold" Steve Austin

Like the Rock, most of the kids would know Stone Cold from his legacy in the attitude era but unlike Rock, Stone Cold was part of Mania 23 as the special guest ref in the battle of the billionaire's match and was the special guest ref at Cyber Sunday 08 (which was a PG PPV). Recently inducted into the HoF in 2009 as well as being a Raw guest-host on March 15th, I'd say most of the "WWE Universe" are pretty familiar with Stone Cold.

They would be equally familliar with the Rock. As for his guest host slot, all they would have seen is some tame guy promoting a movie. Austin said himslef on his twitter that he was annoyed at his watered down performance.



At the PPV, Punk is out in the ring waiting impatiently for Cena to arrive while Serena and Gallows are at ringside. Cena comes out, ready for the match (and proving his doubters wrong). Both Cena and Punk go face-to-face as we wait and see who is in Cena's corner. *GLASS SMASHES* - Cue crowd going wild as Stone Cold makes his way down to ringside.

The match would eventually end with Cena getting the win and a Stunner to Gallows and then, Punk. Both Cena and Austin celebrate with a couple of beer's as the crowd goes wild.

So you're saying that Cena, who the torch is being passed to, cant beat CM punk without help from a retired wrestler, who's health is so bad he cant even compete. This just buries CM punk, gallows and Cena. CM Punk, the heels who cant deal with dodgy knees... and Cena, the future star who cant win without his help. Even if stone cold's stunners didnt win the match for cena, his presence alone would imply that cena needs it. I cant help but feel that Austin isne neccessary to make punk cena work.

The next night on Raw, Austin and Cena would come out. Austin would praise Cena. Punk and the S.E.S would come out to ruin it but would get beaten off. Austin and Cena would celebrate with Austin shaking Cena's hand. Cena would leave the ring leaving Austin to give a speech. The rest of the Raw roster (bar S.E.S) would come out and Austin get's the fitting send-off he deserves.

He got the fitting send off he deserves at the HOF 09. Why sully it with another send off. Jr & king etc stressed that this was the last time he'd be in a ring at WM. He's already ruined that with a poor Guest host slot.

Having Austin in a non-wrestling role would be ok as he's not able to actually compete due to his health. Leaving suttle hint's like the beer-cans and the skull would obviously give off the idea of Austin. Cena having Austin in his corner makes sense because of what happened at the '09 HoF when Austin "passed the torch" onto Cena while having Punk involved in this is perfect as Austin is renowned at enjoying a beer while Punk is Straight Edge. I feel having this match at the new PPV would draw in the numbers

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I dont agree. The rock is well known in hollywood as Dwayne Johnson, whereas stone cold is still Stone cold. His celebrity status is that of a former wrestler. Not an actor. So as far as his celebrity status bringing new fans from the mainstream in..that wont happen.

I also feel that, Stone cold has no place in the new wwe. Everything that made him great, the violence, beer and foul mouth would be completely watered down by pg. The rock's character would adapt far better to the new era of PG.

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Damn it, your good at this:)

I didn't in any way mean that the two would put on a wrestling clinic. The big match feel of the fight would be enough to carry the two to a great spectacle. Much like Hogan-Rock, it would be more about the spectacle than great technical wrestling. Their personas alone would make it brilliant.

Hang on, so the only reason to book this match is for name value only?? As much as any wrestling fan would like to see the Rock back in the ring, I couldn't see Rock in a match esp against Cena. Shur the Rock even said it himself that he doesn't want to face Cena

link "I've never been interested in wrestling John Cena"

Two things, with Randy carrying the belt, having been put over more as a face, his merch sales would probably be up. Also, the rocks merch is still on sale, with him returning to the ring, his sales would increase. And thats on top of the fact that people would still buy Cena shirts. His Merch sales wouldnt drop completely.The kids would still like him.

So the kids would love a cocky and too arrogant Cena??? I know he's not a proper heel but there'd be no way that kids would buy his merch if he's a heel (proper or not).

No, I disagree. Unlike Bret, the rock has figured prominently in recent wwe videogames. He has also been back a few times with Eugene, diva competition, and the video message for Smackdown anniversary. The reaction he has recieved for the video was huge. And that was the most recent of his appearances. Plus, unlike Bret, the wwe have protected his Legacy. Ie. No midgets

Rock on SD 10th anniversary

That link is to the Rock's speech at the 10th anniversary show of SD. Notice the intro given to him (too remind the kids imo) as well as it's manly adults cheering him. Not much of a reaction from the kids.

The only reason WWE did the midget thing with Bret was because of what happened at Survivor Series 97. I sincerely doubt they would've done it if the screwjob at SS 97 never happened.

So you're saying that Cena, who the torch is being passed to, cant beat CM punk without help from a retired wrestler, who's health is so bad he cant even compete. This just buries CM punk, gallows and Cena. CM Punk, the heels who cant deal with dodgy knees... and Cena, the future star who cant win without his help. Even if stone cold's stunners didnt win the match for cena, his presence alone would imply that cena needs it. I cant help but feel that Austin isne neccessary to make punk cena work.

OK, I wrote that in a hurry so sorry if that confused ya:):)

The reason that SCSA would be in Cena's corner is to "even-up-the-odd's". The fact that Serena and Gallow's being at ringside while Cena faces Punk for his title would be intimidating for Cena imo. It'd be essentially a 3 on 1 situation. Having Austin in the corner of Cena would drive home the fact that the torch has been changed between the 2. Cena wins the match without SCSA's help but after the match, the S.E.S would beat down Cena, setting up Austin to make the save.

He got the fitting send off he deserves at the HOF 09. Why sully it with another send off. Jr & king etc stressed that this was the last time he'd be in a ring at WM. He's already ruined that with a poor Guest host slot.

Thing is, it wouldn't be Mania, it'd be at the new PPV in November. Given the disasterous number that lead to Survivor Series leaving us, at least knowing that SCSA would be at it should drive-up the buy-rate.

I dont agree. The rock is well known in hollywood as Dwayne Johnson, whereas stone cold is still Stone cold. His celebrity status is that of a former wrestler. Not an actor. So as far as his celebrity status bringing new fans from the mainstream in..that wont happen.

Give it 3 to 4 years imo. It took Rock an age to shed off the wrestling image when he first acted. Notice in most of Rock's movies, he uses Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson on the promotional posters. If you asked anyone who Dwayne Johnson or Steve Williams are, people would have no clue. Using Stone Cold does no harm to Steve Austin imo

D.Q

Hang on, so the only reason to book this match is for name value only?? As much as any wrestling fan would like to see the Rock back in the ring, I couldn't see Rock in a match esp against Cena. Shur the Rock even said it himself that he doesn't want to face Cena

The Rock also said that the wwe was his life, and that he would never ever leave it. For the right amount of money and share of the spotlight these men would do anything.

Name value certainly would be a big factor. But come on, Cena carried Khali to a decent match. I imagine, the Rocks natural athleticism and experience would more than compensate for his ring rust, especially with Cena looking after him. And thats assuming the Rock cant work a match.

So the kids would love a cocky and too arrogant Cena??? I know he's not a proper heel but there'd be no way that kids would buy his merch if he's a heel (proper or not)

People dont buy heel merchandise? Maybe not back in the eighties.. but these days? The line between face and heel is so blurred. People will not stop buying his merchandise because of a four months maximum heel turn. When Randy was a total heel last year, his merch was still selling, and he has nowhere near the fame of Cena.

And as I have said with Randy as the main man, and the rocks merchandise making a return, I imagine that WWE would put up with a slight drop in Cena sales.



Rock on SD 10th anniversary

That link is to the Rock's speech at the 10th anniversary show of SD. Notice the intro given to him (too remind the kids imo) as well as it's manly adults cheering him. Not much of a reaction from the kids.

are you serious? The mans name appears and there is an instant pop, an instant SUSTAINED pop. And there is literally no way of distinguishing that the cheers are coming from adult or child.

The only reason WWE did the midget thing with Bret was because of what happened at Survivor Series 97. I sincerely doubt they would've done it if the screwjob at SS 97 never happened.

Doesnt matter what the motives were. The important thing is, it still happened. They sullied brets legacy, the rock has been protected.





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Thing is, it wouldn't be Mania, it'd be at the new PPV in November. Given the disasterous number that lead to Survivor Series leaving us, at least knowing that SCSA would be at it should drive-up the buy-rate

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Sorry, my sentence structure was wrong there. I meant that, at WM, the commentators stressed that this was it, this was the goodbye. Not that it was Austins last time at wrestlemania.

I concede that it would HELP the buy-rates, but nowhere near the numbers Rock-Cena would draw.

Its nothing we havent seen before. Stone "kind of cold" steve austin back in a non wrestling capacity to dish out a few stunners and drink some beer. And the last time we saw him, he wasnt even bothered with the stunners.

So, we'd have a stone cold who cant get too involved physically, and who can't cut the promos he is famous for. Look at the promos in the stone cold appreciation thread on this very board. Wouldnt and more importantly COULDNT happen in this era.

Give it 3 to 4 years imo. It took Rock an age to shed off the wrestling image when he first acted. Notice in most of Rock's movies, he uses Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson on the promotional posters. If you asked anyone who Dwayne Johnson or Steve Williams are, people would have no clue. Using Stone Cold does no harm to Steve Austin imo

I'd have to disagree. Dwayne Johnson is being used. Not the rock anymore. I think it was on soccer am recently he was asked if its dwayne "the rock" johnson, the rock or dwayne johnson, and he said its "Dwayne Johnson". Stone cold is just in action movies, being the tough guy. The Rock has been in a DISNEY movie. What better to appeal to kids?

And another thing, youre saying that Stone cold doesnt have the name at the moment? So we'll have to wait 3-4 years. This would put even more strain on his physical involvement, as well as devaluing his current profile within the...sigh *vomits* wwe universe.

The reason that SCSA would be in Cena's corner is to "even-up-the-odd's". The fact that Serena and Gallow's being at ringside while Cena faces Punk for his title would be intimidating for Cena imo. It'd be essentially a 3 on 1 situation. Having Austin in the corner of Cena would drive home the fact that the torch has been changed between the 2. Cena wins the match without SCSA's help but after the match, the S.E.S would beat down Cena, setting up Austin to make the save

So, 4 years down the line, an even more unfit and old Stone cold beats up what the wwe are trying to push as the top heels of the new generation. What POSSIBLE benefit does this bring? The torch has been passed already, it was passed at the HOF. It doesn't need cementing from someone who is unable to pass it properly.

What they would need to do with this situation, and dont get me wrong, its good booking, is allow an up and coming star, like morrison or whoever they are pushing to make the save. Allowing for a possible passing of the torch from cena in a few years.

I feel that having a watered down, older stone cold would only take away from the angle.

And if it is neccessary for the torch passing symbolism to be further cemented, the rock putting him over at wrestlemania would do a far ebtter job. Stone cold has given him his blessing so to speak, at WM. The rock putting him over would seriously cement him as the number one guy. Not that I believe it needs further cementing.

Look at the WM torch passing down the years... hogan - rock, and austin and rocks wm battles 15, 17 and.. 19(?). This could be another one of those moments. They could even have a handshake, turning cena face again, and drive up those all important merch sales.

And with the rock angle, it is alot more credible. It is a huge celebrity and wrestling LEGEND, giving Cena his blessing between the ropes. In a wrestling capacity.

But I feel this has been derailed, its not about Cena being cemented as the number one guy. This has already happened. He is THE man in the company. Its about which celebrity could do a better job drawing buyrates.

So I put it to you, The Rock VS Cena at wrestlemania, in a wrestling capacity.. or Stone "not so cold" steve austin in Cenas corner at the new survivor series in a non wrestling capacity.

Which do you think will get more buys?

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DieselQueen wrote: »

So I put it to you, The Rock VS Cena at wrestlemania, in a wrestling capacity.. or Stone "not so cold" steve austin in Cenas corner at the new survivor series in a non wrestling capacity.

Which do you think will get more buys?

I'm not gonna counter all of that response (I'd be here all night if I did) so I'll use my final counter with this:

In all honesty, which would be the more likelier to happen?? Rock coming back to face Cena (who he publically stated he doesn't want to face) or Stone Cold appearing in the WWE??

I'll finish with this. We all know Rock is done with wrestling. IF he decides to come back for a match against Cena at Mania, he will look rusty and the match will be one, if not the biggest flop in the history of Wrestlemania. Imo, it will be like Goldberg vs. Lesnar at Mania XX ...ten minutes of staring and taunting, five minutes of actual wrestling.

To tell you the truth, it wouldn't be one of the best matches of the night, it would be just a headline, like The Rock has returned for one match only, but once you ask someone about the match, they'd probably want to talk about a different one.

What would it be like for the kids who never seen The Rock wrestle face off against Cena when Rock hasn't been in the ring for 6 years. The performance from Rock would prob tarnish the legacy they've heard of the Rock (how good he is etc....)

Bounty Hunter

With 70% of the vote we have our first Semi-Finalist (due to numbers someone had to get a bye in the next round too) as Dieselqueen progress despite a valiant effort from the first BWE booker to fall to the wayside in Dare 2 Defy. Congrats/commiserations on the result guys