Judo to supplement BJJ

EnjoyChoke

I'm looking to do some Judo to supplement my BJJ game. Any clubs within easy reach of the M50 that would suit?
On a side note whats the etiquette on wearing a BJJ Gi to a Judo class?

Jason McCabe

If you can get out to Portmarnock its a great club. Trained there years ago when I was in Dublin.

Don't think they would mind if you had a BJJ gi on but I suppose it would be good to ask the instructor

arybvtcw0eolkf

Well you'd certainly be welcomed up in Portmarnock, and training with the BJJ Gi wouldn't be a problem (you wouldn't be allowed compete in it).

Ray Steers is a 4th dan Judo BB and a BJJ purple belt, so the class does a lot more on the ground (newaza) than most Judo clubs I've been to. Actually we've a few cross training in Judo and BJJ.

Training is at 7:00pm Mondays and Thursdays.

An alternative would be Andy Ryan's BJJ revolution (details are in my sig). Andy run's a Judo/BJJ class at 7:00pm on Tuesdays.

I haven't trained in Coolmine in a long time, however I should be out there this Thursday all going well, so I can't comment on their policy on the BJJ Gi on the mat.

**Just a quick edit.. If you fancy going to any of the above and your feeling a bit shy being a new face on the block I can hook up with you and introduce you to the guy's.

EnjoyChoke

Cheers for the info lads. Coolmine looks good location wise, the others are a bit too far of a trek. Thursday night training suits as well,do you know the times Makikomi? Also do you know if these guys let you pay by the class or is it a term thing?

arybvtcw0eolkf

EnjoyChoke wrote: »

Cheers for the info lads. Coolmine looks good location wise, the others are a bit too far of a trek. Thursday night training suits as well,do you know the times Makikomi? Also do you know if these guys let you pay by the class or is it a term thing?

I think all Judo classes are charged per class, usually anything from 5-7 Euro per class.

Where are you coming from?.

This is us up in Portmarnock.

lukeyjudo

Judo is awesome for BJJ, BJJ is awesome for judo. Coolmine Judo Club is awesome. Lets all be awesome together.

Coolmine times 8-9:30 Tues and Thurs, pay by the class €8 and BJJ gi is absolutely no problem, I wear one sometimes on the mat! Not the best for grip fighting though as its way to easy to grip but you will learn a lot in coolmine!

And anyone from any martial art can come in and train, its a very inclusive atmosphere and the coaches are great guys

arybvtcw0eolkf

lukeyjudo wrote: »

Judo is awesome for BJJ, BJJ is awesome for judo. Coolmine Judo Club is awesome. Lets all be awesome together.

Coolmine times 8-9:30 Tues and Thurs, pay by the class €8 and BJJ gi is absolutely no problem, I wear one sometimes on the mat! Not the best for grip fighting though as its way to easy to grip but you will learn a lot in coolmine!

And anyone from any martial art can come in and train, its a very inclusive atmosphere and the coaches are great guys

And thats exactly how I found it the few times I've trained there.

EnjoyChoke

Working in Tallaght living in Ashbourne so Coolmine Is kinda on the way home. Been meaning to cross train for a while now, finally going to put the wheels in motion!
Have a gnarly double weave BJJ GI so might start with that and see how it goes. Can always pick up a proper Judo one if all goes well.

arybvtcw0eolkf

EnjoyChoke wrote: »

Working in Tallaght living in Ashbourne so Coolmine Is kinda on the way home. Been meaning to cross train for a while now, finally going to put the wheels in motion!
Have a gnarly double weave BJJ GI so might start with that and see how it goes. Can always pick up a proper Judo one if all goes well.

Then Coolmine is your man!.

And as Luke more or less said, BJJ and Judo compliment each other perfectly, opposite sides of the same coin in fact.

Sid_Justice

EnjoyChoke wrote: »

I'm looking to do some Judo to supplement my BJJ game. Any clubs within easy reach of the M50 that would suit?
On a side note whats the etiquette on wearing a BJJ Gi to a Judo class?

Where are you currently training in BJJ? I think all the Judo clubs are in easy reach of the M50, there is a club in Ashbourne http://www.dsj.ie/location/ but Coolmine would probably be considered one of the 'best' places to learn judo in Ireland. Especially if you're looking for completive people to spar with.

If Judo doesn't clash with your BJJ, I'd fully endorse you give it a go.

bjj-fighter

This thread has convinced me to do the same! After the feckin' Leaving Cert though...I'm an awful one for the guard pulling!ha

arybvtcw0eolkf

bjj-fighter wrote: »

This thread has convinced me to do the same! After the feckin' Leaving Cert though...I'm an awful one for the guard pulling!ha

Not slagging you off, but the I'd safely say the biggest turn off for me (against BJJ) is guys just pulling guard and working from there.

OP, I trained in Coolmine tonight and needless to say I'll be a regular down there. Absolutely amazing, great bunch of lads. I'm battered & bruised, probably the toughest Judo training I've done ever.

Coolmine Judo Club - highly recommended.

Chris89

Makikomi, Guard is probably the most fundamental position in BJJ, bit weird that you find it a turnoff.

Bit like saying kicking turns you off football, just use your head or something.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Chris89 wrote: »

Makikomi, Guard is probably the most fundamental position in BJJ, bit weird that you find it a turnoff.

Bit like saying kicking turns you off football, just use your head or something.

Yea, right ok.

Chris89

Tommy Bitter Weight wrote: »

Yea, right ok.

Ehm, what?

I was serious, how can something so fundamental to a fighting system/sport, turn you off it?

And for competition etc, you would obviously need to play to your strengths, i remember i did a gi competition in Andy Ryans last year, first fight was against this guy who told me he ran his own judo school, that competition was literally my first time ever wearing a gi, i didnt fancy getting thrown and having to work from a bad position.. so i pulled guard and tried to work from there.

The same way any sports team/ sportsman or woman would try to work to neutralise their opponents strengths.

Just looks to me like you have a really close minded attitute towards bjj, which is strange considering it sounds like you have trained a couple of times.

Theres another thread about pulling guard too, maybe have a look at that, as some of the posters say, some of the biggest names in jiu jitsu work from their guard in the biggest competitions.

From a spectators point of view aswell, a nice sweep is easily as entertaining as a big throw.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Tommy Bitter Weight wrote: »

Not slagging you off, but the I'd safely say the biggest turn off for me (against BJJ) is guys just pulling guard and working from there.

Chris89 wrote: »

From a spectators point of view aswell, a nice sweep is easily as entertaining as a big throw.

See, as Sid says in the other thread - personal opinions.

Now the other thread was started so this one wouldn't go down this road, if I cared to debate this point I'd do it there, and I don't.

So if you can't help the OP's question in this thread I'd suggest you leave it there, I won't enter into a pissing match with you here over whats purely personal opinions on a technique.

Chris89

Its a discussion forum, i was only trying to have a discussion, not a pissing match, whatever that is.

Furious-Dave

Chris89 wrote: »

Makikomi, Guard is probably the most fundamental position in BJJ, bit weird that you find it a turnoff.

Bit like saying kicking turns you off football, just use your head or something.

Actually it's not weird at all. Throwing is fundamental to Judo. Why would it be weird when a Judoka gets frustrated when the BJJ guy he's rolling with pulls guard off the mark?

It's more like when an MMA striker keeps getting clinched up, even though clinch is a fundamental part of MMA.

Chris89

Thats not what he said, and if thats what he meant fair enough but still a bit narrowminded.

If youre a judoka who wants to start a match by throwing a guy, and he pulls guard, learn to pass said guard. Dont just brand it as a turnoff, surely you would be thrilled that there is a new avenue of learning or whatever to go down.

Furious-Dave

I'm all for cross training but by pulling guard the BJJ has just neutralized a major part of the Judoka's game. Naturally it's going to be a turnoff. I'd imagine that to the Judoka half of the excitement of the fight has been taken out of it.

Sid_Justice

Chris89 wrote: »

Thats not what he said, and if thats what he meant fair enough but still a bit narrowminded.

If youre a judoka who wants to start a match by throwing a guy, and he pulls guard, learn to pass said guard. Dont just brand it as a turnoff, surely you would be thrilled that there is a new avenue of learning or whatever to go down.

stop your trolling

arybvtcw0eolkf

Chris89 wrote: »

Thats not what he said, and if thats what he meant fair enough but still a bit narrowminded.

If youre a judoka who wants to start a match by throwing a guy, and he pulls guard, learn to pass said guard. Dont just brand it as a turnoff, surely you would be thrilled that there is a new avenue of learning or whatever to go down.

Your persisting in having more or less the same conversation in two separate threads.

If you want to discuss pulling guard, the pro's and con's of it there was a thread started specifically for that, you have been informed of this.

NG-DOC

Furious-Dave wrote: »

I'm all for cross training but by pulling guard the BJJ has just neutralized a major part of the Judoka's game. Naturally it's going to be a turnoff. I'd imagine that to the Judoka half of the excitement of the fight has been taken out of it.

If it's a turnoff, then don't enter a BJJ tournament.

Everyone has their preferences and if you want to throws do Judo, if you like BJJ and what comes with it, do that.

p.s i does bjj but i hate wen in judo n the guy throws me wtf iz dat i wUna do guard

Furious-Dave

NG-DOC wrote: »

If it's a turnoff, then don't enter a BJJ tournament.

Everyone has their preferences and if you want to throws do Judo, if you like BJJ and what comes with it, do that.

p.s i does bjj but i hate wen in judo n the guy throws me wtf iz dat i wUna do guard

Well I agree, and I think in BJJ rolling or competition pulling guard is to be expected. But in mixed events people from other styles might find it irritating. Of course it still works to the BJJ guys advantage, but that's not the point.

Anyway, I personally think that BJJ and Judo are a great mix.