How soon after competition for handicap cut?

NDJ4

Just checked the results in my club for last Sunday's competition and the winning score was 42 off a 14 handicap. Fair dues. So then I checked the previous Sunday's results and the same guy won that too, 40 points, again off a 14 handicap . Since Sunday he has been cut to 12.2 but that seems too little too late to me??

Would it be normal to let a guy win a competition one week and leave his handicap untouched for the following weeks competition? The SSS wasn't shown either, but how many shots should you expect to lose after winning 2 competitions in a row? 2 shots seems small to me?

I wasn't close enough to win but there were 2 guys on 40 points on Sunday, if I was one of them I'd be pretty pissed off. Or maybe I'm wrong and this is normal??

Mr. Larson

It would help if you gave dates and exacts. No one really knows so we all need to try to work it out - but you can't - So in the absence of that, let's speculate.

The following Mathematics don't quite add up to your scenario but they prove that it's kinda possible. Also they prova that without the figures it's hard 2 tell.

Golf course SSS is 37 off back tees.
Man is off 14.3 (14)
Man shoots 40 pts
CSS is 37pts (CSS can even be higher - depends on conditions)
Man beats CSS by 2 pts.
Man is Category 3 so gets cut .6
14.4 minus 0.6 = 13.7.
13.7 = 14 playing handicap
Man plays competition next week off 14 (13.7 exact)
Man shoots 42 pts
CSS is 36 (tough conditions)
Man beats CSS by 6 shots
Man is Category 3 so gets cut by the following:
12.1 - 12.3 - 12.5 - 12.8 - 13.1 - 13.4 - 13.7
Man plays competition next week off 12

Russman

He may have been off something like 14.4 when he had the 40 points a week ago and the CSS may have been, say, 38 points so he wouldn't have lost enough to be cut to 13.
At the weekend, the CSS could have been only 35 or 36 points and his 42 points may well have been such that he got cut to the new handicap mentioned.
All supposition on my part not knowing the details, but the scenario of winning 2 weeks in a row and the cuts not "seeming" to be correct isn't unusual.
Bear in mind that the CSS can change be a few shots and also winning doesn't deserve a "punishment" of a too large cut , generally in singles play handicaps take care of themselves.
Now if he was winning team events left right and centre I'd say something different obviously !!

Russman

@ jabberwocky, beat me to it !!

NDJ4

Thanks guys, it's good to see how it could possibly make sense. Exact dates were 3rd and 10th of May, Navan golf club. Stableford competitions off yellow tees. I didn't play on the 3rd, just yesterday. Beautiful playing conditions yesterday too, 51 competitors.

I only got my handicap last year and have only played in 3 or 4 competitions since. I'm hoping to get out a lot more this year as my game is really starting to come good. Anyway what i'm getting at is I'm still learning and still a bit clueless!

The CSS wasn't shown on the competition results sheet or at least i couldn't find it. What I thought was strange was that on yesterday's results sheet everyone's new handicap was shown but not on the previous sundays sheet which also led me to believe that no adjustments had been made. This sheet only had points scored by all competitors.

These are the only details I have sorry! There was no one around this evening to ask about this, i was hoping to ask the pro but he was giving a lesson.

Thanks again.

Speak Now

Are you registered on golfnet?
Usually you can see standard stratch the next evening assuming you played yourself.

willyg

Some clubs don't cut if it is a repeater competition, not sure why it should be especially if you had agood score with your first card

NDJ4

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

Are you registered on golfnet?
Usually you can see standard stratch the next evening assuming you played yourself.

Yeah I've been checking on golfnet since the weekend to see if my handicap was changed or if the competition details are up but not yet... Should these details be updated automatically or does the handicap secretary do this? All scores are entered on the computer after the round so I thought it would be updated sooner? Looking at the results sheet yesterday evening my handicap wasn't adjusted. I scored 33 points so this is probably correct?

zztop

willyg wrote: »

Some clubs don't cut if it is a repeater competition, not sure why it should be especially if you had agood score with your first card

What are the rules on repeat competitions.You score low Saturday
and low Sunday..can you get 2 .1s.
If you score low and high do you get .1 and cut the following day.
jabberwocky thanks for your SSS v CSS...you should take up teaching:P

willyg

zztop wrote: »

What are the rules on repeat competitions.You score low Saturday
and low Sunday..can you get 2 .1s.
If you score low and high do you get .1 and cut the following day.
jabberwocky thanks for your SSS v CSS...you should take up teaching:P

You can only get .1 back in Qualifying competitions, normally your monthly medals, an ordinary stableford comp doesn't count I think but you should get cut if you are under standard scratch...you should cut yourself until its processed also so if you score low the first time you need to cut yourself next time. also to get .1 back you must be approx 4 shots greater than SS for the day, and if you have say a 9 on a par 4 you will have it reduced to 7 for calculating whether you get .1. This stops people pulling up at the end if they aren't going to win

Daithio9

willyg wrote: »

You can only get .1 back in Qualifying competitions, normally your monthly medals, an ordinary stableford comp doesn't count I think but you should get cut if you are under standard scratch...you should cut yourself until its processed also so if you score low the first time you need to cut yourself next time. also to get .1 back you must be approx 4 shots greater than SS for the day, and if you have say a 9 on a par 4 you will have it reduced to 7 for calculating whether you get .1. This stops people pulling up at the end if they aren't going to win

This is incorrect.
If the competion is fully counting, you can get cut and can get .1 back, it doesn't matter what the format of the competiton is i.e. if the comp is stroke, V par or stableford.
This time of year you can take it that all competitions are fully counting.

Jasonw

willyg wrote: »

You can only get .1 back in Qualifying competitions, normally your monthly medals, an ordinary stableford comp doesn't count I think

it does. Take it from someone who has got more 0.1's back than he would like recently.

Jasonw

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Speak Now

NDJ4 wrote: »

Yeah I've been checking on golfnet since the weekend to see if my handicap was changed or if the competition details are up but not yet... Should these details be updated automatically or does the handicap secretary do this? All scores are entered on the computer after the round so I thought it would be updated sooner? Looking at the results sheet yesterday evening my handicap wasn't adjusted. I scored 33 points so this is probably correct?

Well if standard scatch was 37 or greater you should get 0.1 back.
Our club wouldn't be the quickest at these things, in fact the computer was broken on Sunday but the results were still on golf net when i checked on Monday.

Daithio9

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

Well if standard scatch was 37 or greater you should get 0.1 back.
Our club wouldn't be the quickest at these things, in fact the computer was broken on Sunday but the results were still on golf net when i checked on Monday.

Not if he's a cat 4 player he wouldn't, the CSS would have to be 38pts.
On a side note the SSS or CSS is not usually calculated in stableford pts it's almost given in strokes and you can convert to stableford quite easily, eg course par 72, SSS 73, CSS 71, in this example (when converted to stableford) the course rating is 35pts but on this occassion the CSS was 37pts.
SSS= Standard scratch score
CSS= Competition scratch score.

NDJ4

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

Well if standard scatch was 37 or greater you should get 0.1 back.
Our club wouldn't be the quickest at these things, in fact the computer was broken on Sunday but the results were still on golf net when i checked on Monday.

Still not showing up for me, last updated date in member handicap section on golfnet is 07/05/2010. I'll keep an eye on it.

Daithio9 wrote: »

Not if he's a cat 4 player he wouldn't, the CSS would have to be 38pts.
On a side note the SSS or CSS is not usually calculated in stableford pts it's almost given in strokes and you can convert to stableford quite easily, eg course par 72, SSS 73, CSS 71, in this example (when converted to stableford) the course rating is 35pts but on this occassion the CSS was 37pts.
SSS= Standard scratch score
CSS= Competition scratch score.

Not sure what category I'm in, is this based on your handicap? My handicap is 22.0.

I'll try to find out what the CSS was for both of these competitons. I don't want any 0.1s back though, i'm trying to go the other way!

Daithio9

NDJ4 wrote: »

Still not showing up for me, last updated date in member handicap section on golfnet is 07/05/2010. I'll keep an eye on it.



Not sure what category I'm in, is this based on your handicap? My handicap is 22.0.

I'll try to find out what the CSS was for both of these competitons. I don't want any 0.1s back though, i'm trying to go the other way!

Yes it's based on your handicap and your in category 4, also it's not unusual for there to be a delay in your handicap been updated on golfnet, I've had a few occasions when it has taken 2 or 3 weeks before it was updated.

Cat 1 = Handicap of 5 or less
Cat 2 = 6 to 12
Cat 3 = 13-20
Cat 4 = 21-28

soundsham

played 2 times last week both small cuts not affecting actual h'cap neither applied yet
also played 3 weeks ago on tues open day and should have recieved .1 not applied either
scores were recorded as a playing partner actually won that day and got chopped

have seen scores in the interim recorded........

anyway is it just down to the fact my own h'cap sec. has not got around to it yet or is there some other reason ??

PhilipMarlowe

Depends where you are looking.
Your handicap is what is on the computer in the club unless you know it to be lower.
In our place, when a competition is closed, the results are published to howdidido. So that site should reflect your current handicap but sometimes there are issues when the publishing isn't successful.. maybe the site is too busy or whatever... In this scenario, the computer in the club is accurate but the on-line version (howdidido) isn't showing the changes. This may go unnoticed until the next publish.
The handicap sec should run a routine at least once a week to keep golfnet up to date also. This should happen automatically when competitions are published but may need to be done separately also, particularly at busy times. Even when running this routine it still seems to take a few days for the away scores to be processed.

PhilipMarlowe

Oh, and I would always go off the computer rather than off a printout if you're unsure because sometimes the computer could be updated remotely and be different than the most recent print-out on the board.