Dark forces hiding truth over abuse

Winty

This freaking idiot is at it again.
You Mr Martin are the Archbishop of Dublin, Any bullsh*t cover up is down to you. You had the power to stop Children being abused.

Dont be blaming Luke Skywalker or anyone else, you had the force and you use it badly. Now grow some Kahuna and make a stand.

The buck stops with you, stop pushing the blame over to Brady he is just and bad as the rest of them. Your smoke and mirror tactic is not working. What were you doing when all this Shenanigans was going on, reading the bible in you bedroom?


http://www.independent.ie/national-news/dark-forces-hiding-truth-over-abuse-says-martin-2174965.html

Self-righteous bell end wants people to feels sorry for him

Menengroth™

you had the force and you use it badly

-.-'

bonerm

Winty wrote: »

Dont be blaming Luke Skywalker

I see where you're going with this , but I don't see why the Storm Troopers should shoulder any of the blame?

Overall I agree tho. There has been to much Star Wars related paedophilia occurring since George Lucas raped my childhood.

Danbo!

Its like we're living in some fantasy land the way these guys are getting away with such bullshit.

Look at this dope below, saying that satan is causing all the sexual abuse.

What. The. Fuck?

I started putting in bold where I thought the story was full of crap, and oh, look what happened.

http://www.aolnews.com/weird-news/article/satan-is-in-the-vatican-says-catholic-exorcist-gabriele-amorth/19392201

(March 10) -- The Rev. Gabriele Amorth, the man who has served as the Vatican's chief exorcist for 25 years, says the signs are there: The devil has infiltrated St. Peter's.

Specifically, Amorth cites recent sexual abuse and pedophilia scandals as well as what he deems a cover-up in the shooting deaths of two of the Vatican's Swiss Guards and one of the guard's wives as proof that the Catholic Church's most famous site is less than pure.

"When one speaks of 'the smoke of Satan' in the holy rooms, it is all true -- including these latest stories of violence and pedophilia," Amorth was cited as saying by The Times of London. The smoke of Satan references a phrase coined by Pope Paul VI.
Gabriele Amorth, an exorcist in the diocese of Rome poses in Rome, 2005.
Giulio Napolitano, AFP / Getty Images
Rev. Gabriele Amorth, who served as the Catholic Church's chief exorcist for 25 years, claims the devil has infiltrated the Vatican.

The Vatican, according to Amorth, was also home to "cardinals who do not believe in Jesus and bishops who are linked to the demon."

Many of Amorth's claims are made in a new autobiography, titled "Memoirs of an Exorcist."

Amorth, who is the founder and president of honor of the Association of Exorcists, became an official exorcist in the Catholic Church in 1986, The Times reports. But Amorth's diagnosis may not mean that the church is preparing a Vatican exorcism any time soon.

Saying that Amorth had "gone well beyond the evidence" for Satanic possession of the Vatican, Rome-based exorcist the Rev. José Antonio Fortea Cucurull told The Times, "Cardinals might be better or worse, but all have upright intentions and seek the glory of God."

In an interview in 2002, Amorth was asked what defines an exorcism.

"Exorcism is a public prayer of the church done with the authority of the church," Amorth replied. "Because it is done by a priest name by the bishop; it is a prayer for the liberation from the demon, from the evil influence of the demon or of the evil provoked by the demon."

Popular conceptions of the practice are largely based on the 1973 film "The Exorcist," which Amorth called "exaggerated," but also praised for presenting an accurate picture of the possessed.

In the past, Amorth has attributed events ranging from fires in Sicily to the business woes of the airline Alitalia to the workings of Satan.

Winty

Stee wrote: »

Its like we're living in some fantasy land the way these guys are getting away with such bullshit

With you Stee

Its not even 9 yet and I am in a bad mood reading this crap

hal9000

A long time ago in a diocese far far away....

Saint_Mel

Winty wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/dark-forces-hiding-truth-over-abuse-says-martin-2174965.html

Dark Forces headline yet not 1 mention of "Dark Forces" in the article or quotes from Diarmuid Martin

Kersh

(March 10) -- The Rev. Gabriele Amorth, the man who has served as the Vatican's chief exorcist for 25 years, says the signs are there: The devil has infiltrated St. Peter's.

Specifically, Amorth cites recent sexual abuse and pedophilia scandals as well as what he deems a cover-up in the shooting deaths of two of the Vatican's Swiss Guards and one of the guard's wives as proof that the Catholic Church's most famous site is less than pure.

"When one speaks of 'the smoke of Satan' in the holy rooms, it is all true -- including these latest stories of violence and pedophilia," Amorth was cited as saying by The Times of London. The smoke of Satan references a phrase coined by Pope Paul VI.
Gabriele Amorth, an exorcist in the diocese of Rome poses in Rome, 2005.
Giulio Napolitano, AFP / Getty Images
Rev. Gabriele Amorth, who served as the Catholic Church's chief exorcist for 25 years, claims the devil has infiltrated the Vatican.

The Vatican, according to Amorth, was also home to "cardinals who do not believe in Jesus and bishops who are linked to the demon."

Many of Amorth's claims are made in a new autobiography, titled "Memoirs of an Exorcist."

Amorth, who is the founder and president of honor of the Association of Exorcists, became an official exorcist in the Catholic Church in 1986, The Times reports. But Amorth's diagnosis may not mean that the church is preparing a Vatican exorcism any time soon.

Saying that Amorth had "gone well beyond the evidence" for Satanic possession of the Vatican, Rome-based exorcist the Rev. José Antonio Fortea Cucurull told The Times, "Cardinals might be better or worse, but all have upright intentions and seek the glory of God."

In an interview in 2002, Amorth was asked what defines an exorcism.

"Exorcism is a public prayer of the church done with the authority of the church," Amorth replied. "Because it is done by a priest name by the bishop; it is a prayer for the liberation from the demon, from the evil influence of the demon or of the evil provoked by the demon."

Popular conceptions of the practice are largely based on the 1973 film "The Exorcist," which Amorth called "exaggerated," but also praised for presenting an accurate picture of the possessed.

In the past, Amorth has attributed events ranging from fires in Sicily to the business woes of the airline Alitalia to the workings of Satan.

That sounds like the 3rd secret of Fatima.

Anyhow . . its a disgrace, these people being protected should be in prison.

Or frozen in Carbonite forever . .:pac:

Winty

Saint_Mel wrote: »

Dark Forces headline yet not 1 mention of "Dark Forces" in the article or quotes from Diarmuid Martin

Maybe you have found the Dark Forces that are giving him the Hee Bee Gee Bees

dilallio

hal9000 wrote: »

A long time ago in a diocese far far away....

Must be true - look at the end of this church procession ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npHWX1dciOE

reprazant

Winty wrote: »

This freaking idiot is at it again.
You Mr Martin are the Archbishop of Dublin, Any bullsh*t cover up is down to you. You had the power to stop Children being abused.

Dont be blaming Luke Skywalker or anyone else, you had the force and you use it badly. Now grow some Kahuna and make a stand.

The buck stops with you, stop pushing the blame over to Brady he is just and bad as the rest of them. Your smoke and mirror tactic is not working. What were you doing when all this Shenanigans was going on, reading the bible in you bedroom?


http://www.independent.ie/national-news/dark-forces-hiding-truth-over-abuse-says-martin-2174965.html

Self-righteous bell end wants people to feels sorry for him

Did you actually read the article?

He is saying that there are forces with the Church that would prefer that the allegations never had come out and this, on a personal level, fills him with dismay.

Where exactly is he blaming anyone?

goose2005

Why doesn't he just say who these "forces" are?

philologos

OP: Diarmuid Martin has been one of the strong motivators in releasing documents in the RCC Dublin diocese to the authorities, and in urging reform in the education system. I would hardly call him an idiot, and I would say that his disappointment is very genuine.

The only justification I can see for calling him an idiot for feeling such disappointment is anti-theism rather than dealing with the substance of the article.

star.chaser

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Winty

Jakkass wrote: »

OP: Diarmuid Martin has been one of the strong motivators in releasing documents in the RCC Dublin diocese to the authorities, and in urging reform in the education system. I would hardly call him an idiot, and I would say that his disappointment is very genuine.

The only justification I can see for calling him an idiot for feeling such disappointment is anti-theism rather than dealing with the substance of the article.

Sorry I must have missed something, I did not know that Mr. Martin did everything he could to stop abuse, Where was he in the 70s and 80s or am I missing the big picture

Winty

reprazant wrote: »

Where exactly is he blaming anyone?

He is blaming anyone he can rather than admit he was and still is part of the problem

TheZohanS

The Article:

AN emotional Diarmuid Martin claimed last night that "strong forces" in the Catholic Church wanted the truth about clerical sex abuse scandals to remain hidden.
The Archbishop of Dublin revealed he had never felt so disheartened and dejected since assuming the post six years ago.
His remarks could be interpreted as a broadside at the Vatican and Irish hierarchy.
In a deeply personal but sombre address, the 65-year-old church leader indirectly hit out at Cardinal Sean Brady and other bishops for failures to fully protect children from paedophile clerics.
Dr Martin was speaking at Ely Place in Dublin, the headquarters of the archly conservative church group the Knights of Columbanus, on 'The Future of the Catholic Church in Ireland'.
Almost six months after the publication of the Murphy Report on abuse cover-ups in the Dublin diocese, Dr Martin revealed the most obvious reason for his discouragement was "the drip-by-drip never-ending revelation about child sexual abuse and the disastrous way it was handled".
"There are still strong forces which would prefer that the truth did not emerge," he said.
"On a purely personal level, as Diarmuid Martin, I have never, since becoming Archbishop of Dublin, felt so disheartened and discouraged."

Winty

the 65-year-old church leader indirectly hit out at Cardinal Sean Brady and other bishops for failures to fully protect children from paedophile clerics.

Why did he not do someting

opinion guy

bonerm wrote: »

Overall I agree tho. There has been to much Star Wars related paedophilia occurring since George Lucas raped my childhood.

Indiana ???

A Primal Nut

Winty wrote: »

Why did he not do someting

He only became Archbishop in 2003 and to be fair he has been the only high up person in the Church to come out of the whole scandal with any credit.

Your opening post was rediculous by the way. Read the article!

Winty

A Primal Nut wrote: »

He only became Archbishop in 2003 and to be fair he has been the only high up person in the Church to come out of the whole scandal with any credit.

Your opening post was rediculous by the way. Read the article!

The curse of the Irish

Always obey the RCC, what credit can you give to Mr. Martin. Again where was he in the 70s and 80s. A man just does not arrive to Archbishop without climbing the ladder. He has climbed the greasy pole to get to where he is today

Winty

A Primal Nut wrote: »

He only became Archbishop in 2003 and to be fair he has been the only high up person in the Church to come out of the whole scandal with any credit.

Your opening post was rediculous by the way. Read the article!

Have you an answer for post #18?

reprazant

Winty wrote: »

The curse of the Irish

Always obey the RCC, what credit can you give to Mr. Martin. Again where was he in the 70s and 80s. A man just does not arrive to Archbishop without climbing the ladder. He has climbed the greasy pole to get to where he is today

From 1976 to 1999, he was based in Rome, then Glenalough, then Geneva, then Dublin.

Since he was barely in Ireland, let alone Dublin, there is a strong chance that he did not know of the full scale abuse and the cover up which was happening, hence his disgust and his attempts to get full disclosure of all abuse.

These attempts have led him to be ostracised by the regular clergy in Ireland and to get privately censured by the Vatican for not toeing the Church line but hey yeah, lets abuse what seems to be the one member of the church in Ireland that is trying to actually do something about it.

philologos

Another question you might want to ask yourself is what position was Diarmuid Martin in in the 70's and 80's and what knowledge did he have at that time period. Without such information your post is irrelevant to discussing the earnest efforts that Martin has put in since 2003.

reprazant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diarmuid_Martin#Work_for_the_Holy_See

In 1976 Diarmuid Martin began to work in the service of the Holy See for the Pontifical Council for the Family. He later worked on the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, being appointed the Under Secretary in 1986 and the Secretary in 1994. On 6 January 1999 he was ordained as Titular Bishop of Glendalough by Pope John Paul II. On 17 January 2001, he was appointed Titular Archbishop of the same diocese. This marked his appointment as the Holy See Permanent Observer in Geneva, at the United Nations Office and Specialised Agencies and at the World Trade Organisation. It was in this capacity that he represented the Holy See at various UN conferences, including the International Conference on Population and Development. He led the delegations of the Holy See to the Ministerial Conference of the World Trade Organisation (Doha, 2001), the World Conference against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance.

During the 1990s, Diarmuid Martin represented the Holy See at major United Nations International Conferences, spoke about the Church's teachings on social matters at a variety of Bishop Conferences, and was a member of various Vatican Offices, including the Central Committee for the Great Jubilee of the Year 2000. Also, he was involved in discussions between the World Council of Churches and the Catholic Church as well as the World Faiths Development Dialogue. He also represented the views of the Holy See to the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank, where he advocated for debt relief for less developed countries.

Winty

reprazant wrote: »

From 1976 to 1999, he was based in Rome, then Glenalough, then Geneva, then Dublin.

lets abuse what seems to be the one member of the church in Ireland that is trying to actually do something about it.

In 1961 Archbishop McQuaid established a hostel in Dublin for boys who had been in industrial schools — mainly Artane — In the mid 1960s, one of these priests was the young Diarmuid Martin.

So in the 60s he was working with young children and never never saw or heard of any abuse????

Funny That

reprazant

I don't know.

Do you?

Or do you just accuse everyone with no shred of evidence other than your own moral high ground?

your logic seems to be that since he is a priest, he is either a paedo or has helped cover it up. Either one or the other. And that it is true for all priests in Ireland.

SEPT 23 1989

Opus Dei

Winty

reprazant wrote: »

I don't know.

Do you?

Or do you just accuse everyone with no shred of evidence other than your own moral high ground?

your logic seems to be that since he is a priest, he is either a paedo or has helped cover it up. Either one or the other. And that it is true for all priests in Ireland.

Glad we agree on someting

reprazant

Winty wrote: »

Glad we agree on someting

You seem to be they type of neanderthal that reads the red tops and then goes and burns down a paediatrician's office.

Who needs proof! Who needs to prove anything! Guilty by association!

A Primal Nut

Winty wrote: »

Have you an answer for post #18?

Its possible that he knew about the abuse and did nothing. Its also possible that he didn't know about the abuse and did his best in the circumstances after it became public. Without evidence its hard to tell either way, but as far as I am aware he was never mentioned in any negative sense (if at all) in either of the reports released last year (Murphy and Ryan). And thus far no victims have pointed their fingers at him as someone who knew and did nothing which is why I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Have you any answer for the fact that in your opening post you said 'dark forces' referred to Star Wars or Satan, even though the article he made clear he referred to individuals within the church who were resistant to change.

Winty

reprazant wrote: »

You seem to be they type of neanderthal that reads the red tops and then goes and burns down a paediatrician's office.

Who needs proof! Who needs to prove anything! Guilty by association!

Now Father your just being rude and thats a sin.

Winty

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Have you any answer for the fact that in your opening post you said 'dark forces' referred to Star Wars or Satan, even though the article he made clear he referred to individuals within the church who were resistant to change.

Have you read post #4
The Rev. Gabriele Amorth tells us that satan is behind it all

reprazant

Winty wrote: »

Now Father your just being rude and thats a sin.

Lol. :rolleyes:

Primary school grammar mistakes is the real sin.

A Primal Nut

Winty wrote: »

Have you read post #4
The Rev. Gabriele Amorth tells us that satan is behind it all

Believe it or not they are different people. In fact, he may well be one of the people Diarmuid Martin is referring to as a strong force who wants to keep it secret.

The person who wrote that article used dark forces in the headline but quoted Martin as using strong forces. There is a big difference. Dark Forces in this context makes people think of demons, satan, etc. Clearly he meant individuals in powerful positions within the church. He went for the dramatic, misleading headline and its feeding your frenzy.

Winty

A Primal Nut wrote: »

misleading headline and its feeding your frenzy.

No Frenzy just interest

I will give Diarmuid a break, maybe he did know nothing of abuse and maybe he is a down to earth good craic type of guy, and maybe the time he spent in an industrial hostel nothing happened.
I will never know the full story and the fact he was never noted in any report (Murphy or Ryan) he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

But maybe he is just a good spin doctor ???

Blackhorse Slim

reprazant wrote: »

Lol. :rolleyes:

Primary school grammar mistakes is the real sin.

Primary school grammar mistakes are the real sin

reprazant

Blackhorse Slim wrote: »

Primary school grammar mistakes are the real sin

Damn you!

* shakes fist angrily at Slim *

What excuse will it be next :rolleyes:, some of these people clearly think it's still the 13th century.

It's about time these abusers were rounded up, face trial and locked up.