Health minister and the rise of obesity Linked?

dermothickey

Hi Everyone,

I've only ever peeked in to the conspiracy threads, But after responding to a previous thread here it got me seriously thinking about the rapid rise of obesity during the Harney years of being the Health minister.

Now I don't mean to be nasty or slanderous because of someone's weight. It is a genuine sickness and not something to be poked fun at.

My main question is since she has been health minister Ireland went through a massive rise in obesity could this be linked?

In the way that people look at our Minister of Health, Yet don't seem to see someone who looks very healthy, has this changed peoples opinions on what is acceptable healthwise in this country?

Or is it simply put you don't need to be healthy to run and promote health?

robtri

dermothickey wrote: »

Hi Everyone,

I've only ever peeked in to the conspiracy threads, But after responding to a previous thread here it got me seriously thinking about the rapid rise of obesity during the Harney years of being the Health minister.

Now I don't mean to be nasty or slanderous because of someone's weight. It is a genuine sickness and not something to be poked fun at.

My main question is since she has been health minister Ireland went through a massive rise in obesity could this be linked?

In the way that people look at our Minister of Health, Yet don't seem to see someone who looks very healthy, has this changed peoples opinions on what is acceptable healthwise in this country?

Or is it simply put you don't need to be healthy to run and promote health?

might be something in that.... lol

Yitzhak Rabin

dermothickey wrote: »

It is a genuine sickness and not something to be poked fun at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXTq2_3LfXM

dermothickey

Hahahaha I watched that last week.Live in New York i think

Brown Bomber

dermothickey wrote: »

Or is it simply put you don't need to be healthy to run

It definitely helps.

mysterious

Why is this a conspiracy theory and why is it even a topic?

This is not a conspiracy theory this is called trivial pseudo nonsense that makes no relevance to what really matters.

Torakx

Ricky Gervais is funny
On a serious note,i dont think the health ministers appearance has much to do with the publics interpretation of what a good way to look or lifestyle is.
I think those types of archetypes are filled by actors/esses in tv soaps,movies and adverts.How they diet and behave is dictated by whoever is paying to put it out in the public eye i suppose.
I do think the health minister should be looking into it more.
I tried to buy chewing gum that wasnt sugar free and all i could find was hubba bubba's!The healthiest chewing gum on the shelf.
Money and advertising from big corperations is what dictates obesity imo.

mysterious

Shudders at this topic. Why do people even pay attention to Mary Harney or politics for that matter. None of them can run a fridge never mind a country.

I hope this gets locked, this is absurd. No one in this world "made you fat". You made yourself fat. And a fat person walking down the street or running in a high ranking position is not going to make you fat either. A fat woman eating beside you isn't going to "make you get fat either". Mary harney representing healthcare is also not going to make you fat.

She is fufilling a role, simply because people

A. Don't take responsibility for their own lives
B. Don't stand up to their own voice
C. Don't take care of their own health
D. Don't have basic cop on to know that Mary Harney isn't responsible for your health.

The only role on health, is YOU are responsible for your health and wellbeing.

mcmoustache

Could this be linked to population control? They've failed to control the population so far. Perhaps obesity might finally be the become the means of mass control.

Fat people are rather docile and easily controlled. They can be exploited and abused more easily. They are more susceptible to the mass brainwashing as a result of their addiction to television and the internet (the energy requirements for getting a fat person vertical and keeping them that way are quite high). They are more easily herded. A bit like sheep.
They don't live for too long either.
Obesity, on average, reduces a person's life by six or seven years. This way, the global elites can rob money from the masses in the form of pensions that no longer need to be paid.
They don't reproduce very effectively. It's quite difficult for a fat person to find a mate. They can sometimes be ugly, smelly and sweaty and these characteristics are less desirable in the human sexual selection process. The act of copulation itself happens rarely for most obese people. Again, this comes down to the energy needed to repetitively bob up and down for 10 minutes without succumbing to heart failure. In the longer term, this lowers the population.
They are addicted to processed foods which were created and are provided by the system. These foods are loaded with additives and fat people go crazy for them. In fact, fatty foods are so effective as a means of delivering mind control drugs to the masses that chemtrails fell out of fashion in the sixties. It also keeps the masses suckling at the breasts of the nwo.

If I was a nwo member, I would definitely try to keep the people obese. The sheepl would never rebel. I think dermot could be onto something here.

dermothickey

Seriously though Mcmoustache that's what I was thinking.

Then we need to look at the role of a Health minister in general. Is it to prmote your health and well being? Or is health looked at in this country as wait til you get sick then go to the hospital to be treated for the symptoms and receive drugs from the legal drug dealers?

Could someone who qualifies to become a health minister be someone who promotes health and fitness. Would this have an effect on people? I think it would and I seriously don't think anyone here could dispute this. So in the case of the current health minister..the question is would someone who doesn't inspire fitness is it having an effect? That is the question.

Not a good example but look at the Greens in Government, There's a politician who IS his role.

Lab_Mouse

dermothickey wrote: »

Hi Everyone,

I've only ever peeked in to the conspiracy threads, But after responding to a previous thread here it got me seriously thinking about the rapid rise of obesity during the Harney years of being the Health minister.

Now I don't mean to be nasty or slanderous because of someone's weight. It is a genuine sickness and not something to be poked fun at.

My main question is since she has been health minister Ireland went through a massive rise in obesity could this be linked?

In the way that people look at our Minister of Health, Yet don't seem to see someone who looks very healthy, has this changed peoples opinions on what is acceptable healthwise in this country?

Or is it simply put you don't need to be healthy to run and promote health?

Yeah your right I get hungry just looking at her:pac:

Di0genes

dermothickey wrote: »

Seriously though Mcmoustache that's what I was thinking.

Then we need to look at the role of a Health minister in general. Is it to prmote your health and well being? Or is health looked at in this country as wait til you get sick then go to the hospital to be treated for the symptoms and receive drugs from the legal drug dealers?

Could someone who qualifies to become a health minister be someone who promotes health and fitness. Would this have an effect on people? I think it would and I seriously don't think anyone here could dispute this.

So you want the health minister to be a glorified PE teacher? What next, the minister for defence should be the guy who's able to beat up the most baddies?

You clearly have no idea about modern medicine and the role of a Minister of health.

Yitzhak Rabin

Di0genes wrote: »

So you want the health minister to be a glorified PE teacher? What next, the minister for defence should be the guy who's able to beat up the most baddies?

You clearly have no idea about modern medicine and the role of a Minister of health.

Civil Servants, and specialist consultants make the decisions re: health. The minister, is essentially the go-between for the public and the organisation.

It should be someone who promotes health. They are supposed to be leaders. How on earth can a minister for health have any credibility dictating to us what is healthy, and what is not. For instance, how can she lecture on the dangers of smoking/drinking/drug taking, when the biggest killer in Ireland is heart disease, which is as a result of, among other factors, a poor diet.

Leaders, leading a healthy lifestyle, does have an effect on the public. Things like when GWB went running to promote healthier lifestyles, it was shown to have an effect.

....and apart from all that , she's a p1ss poor politician anyway.

RGDATA!

mysterious wrote: »

No one in this world "made you fat". You made yourself fat. And a fat person walking down the street or running in a high ranking position is not going to make you fat either.

this basically.

fatness isn't a sickness, it's a lifestyle choice, and i have piled on a bit of pork over the last few years btw, so i say this as a fattie.

however, while it's not really the forum to talk about this stuff seeing as it did come up, i do think Mary Harney should have recognised that, at best, a lot of people would point to the irony of her physical condition and her being minister of health, and perhaps got into better shape for her own sake, and for the sake of her public perception and that of her office. No more than Gerry Ryan who was anxious to lose a few stone for his TV chat show, but didn't seem bothered about operation transforming himself.
not so much a conspiracy as what you might call "a bit irish"

there's always a lot to be said for leading by example

RGDATA!

Di0genes wrote: »

So you want the health minister to be a glorified PE teacher? What next, the minister for defence should be the guy who's able to beat up the most baddies?

You clearly have no idea about modern medicine and the role of a Minister of health.

look at it this way. if we had a minister for health who smoked 60 a day he/she would get no end of **** for it. of course the role of minister for health isn't being a PE teacher or health guru, but leading by example never hurts, especially in a country like Ireland where people love to point out hypocrisy.
Politicians play this game to their advantage too - I have worked in accounts therefore I'd make a great minister for finance etc etc, so it cuts both ways.

dermothickey

Di0genes wrote: »

So you want the health minister to be a glorified PE teacher? What next, the minister for defence should be the guy who's able to beat up the most baddies?

You clearly have no idea about modern medicine and the role of a Minister of health.

At the least someone who Looks and is Healthy. We all know that prevention is better than cure. Living a healthy lifestyle and promoting a healthy lifestyle should be an aspect and a characteristic of being a HEALTH minister. Just relax, look at the irony of the situation, we have an overweight minister in charge of HEALTH. It is proven that living a healthy lifestyle keeps you away from the hospital and modern drugs.

Or what we are led to believe is being a minister of health, the job entails getting votes, no obvious signs of HEALTH.

Just trying to bring life and politics to the basics.

Brown Bomber

dermothickey wrote: »

Hi Everyone,

I've only ever peeked in to the conspiracy threads, But after responding to a previous thread here it got me seriously thinking about the rapid rise of obesity during the Harney years of being the Health minister.

Now I don't mean to be nasty or slanderous because of someone's weight. It is a genuine sickness and not something to be poked fun at.

My main question is since she has been health minister Ireland went through a massive rise in obesity could this be linked?

In the way that people look at our Minister of Health, Yet don't seem to see someone who looks very healthy, has this changed peoples opinions on what is acceptable healthwise in this country?

Or is it simply put you don't need to be healthy to run and promote health?

A fair point.

But I don't see it myself, unless anyone actually looks up to politicians as some kind of role-model. Children maybe? But politicians just aren't glamourised at all towards children.

Fat kids come from lazy, "sit you in front of nickleodeon while I smoke 20 Major in the same room as you that your little lungs are breathing in and read my gossip magazine and feed you ready-meals, soft drinks and other processed crap" parents

Fat kids come from selfish parents. How they become so is for another thread.

dermothickey

Well that's fat children, which rightly so there is a massive increase in obesity. It's more all encompassing than that as a lot of people start putting on the pounds later in life. I wonder was Harney a fat kid? And whether she inspired to become a health minister. Maybe when they were dishing out the ministries with the P.D's they all had a laugh and says..I tell ye what lads for the spoof we will make Harney health minister..ha? what you think lads? Do you think they'll notice?

This is all in jest, I hope ye are aware of that.

Di0genes

dermothickey wrote: »

At the least someone who Looks and is Healthy.

Why?

We all know that prevention is better than cure.

Not in all cases? What about Mental Health? Genetic disorders? Pre natal care?

The role of Minister of Health is vastly more complicated than looking good in a tracksuit and eating 5 portions of fruit and veg.

Living a healthy lifestyle and promoting a healthy lifestyle should be an aspect and a characteristic of being a HEALTH minister. Just relax, look at the irony of the situation, we have an overweight minister in charge of HEALTH.

Jesus wept. A person's physical characteristics should and aren't a defining characteristic of a job. You're basically saying that the ability to bench press and run five k gives you the right to manage the budget for a countries health system.

It is proven that living a healthy lifestyle keeps you away from the hospital and modern drugs.

The healthiest man in the world can't stop himself from getting Alzhemiers.

Or what we are led to believe is being a minister of health, the job entails getting votes, no obvious signs of HEALTH.

Just trying to bring life and politics to the basics.

Unfortunately life isn't basic or simple.

dermothickey

Your just nitpicking really that's o.k, differing opinions are what they are differing opinions, However I haven't PRETENDED to know more than you. I will say though to imply that our health minister should be wearing a tracksuit is not what I said. I said we need someone who promotes health. And the answer to your question Why? Why not :D:D

End of discussion it's a lighthearted piece Im out of here enjoy your day dude

mysterious

Di0genes wrote: »

Unfortunately life isn't basic or simple.

:rolleyes:

Life is natural and simple, society isn't. Shudder... ugh. Come on Diogenes, This basic common understanding and yet you can't even see this, when trying to correct someone else....

RoboClam

mysterious wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Life is natural and simple, society isn't. Shudder... ugh. Come on Diogenes, This basic common understanding and yet you can't even see this, when trying to correct someone else....

Shudder.... ugh... oohhh... Mysterious, why do you say such things. It's obvious that the universe isn't simple. Just look around you and you can see that.

mysterious

RoboClam wrote: »

Shudder.... ugh... oohhh... Mysterious, why do you say such things. It's obvious that the universe isn't simple. Just look around you and you can see that.

It is simple, people make things complicated.

bonkey

Enough bickering, folks.

Mysterious...if you have a problem with a thread, please don't take it upon yourself to post to that effect. You're not a moderator.