Guitar Arpeggiator Stomp Box?

quicklickpaddy

Is there such thing? I googled it and youtubed it and all I could come up with were mods and ones that weren't mass produced. Any of you know if anyone makes one?

darrenw5094

quicklickpaddy wrote: »

Is there such thing? I googled it and youtubed it and all I could come up with were mods and ones that weren't mass produced. Any of you know if anyone makes one?

What is it supposed to do???

Taking short cuts from guitar practice will not help in the future.

quicklickpaddy

darrenw5094 wrote: »

What is it supposed to do???

Taking short cuts from guitar practice will not help in the future.

Ha, no I can sweep. Think Muse, not Malmsteen.

rcaz

darrenw5094 wrote: »

Taking short cuts from guitar practice will not help in the future.

:rolleyes:
Just 'cause the OP is looking for a new way to play guitar, he's 'taking short cuts'?

OP, AFAIK arpeggiators as you might know them from synths work before the signal is generated, working on the MIDI or CV signal rather than the audio signal. You're looking for something that takes chords you play and plays the notes individually, like it would on a synth, right? That's not possible to do. There are boxes that could take one note and pitch shift it according to a sequence, like the Eventide Pitchfactor, but I don't think that's what you're looking for, and it wouldn't be as musical as a synth's arpeggiator.

darrenw5094

El Pr0n wrote: »

:rolleyes:
Just 'cause the OP is looking for a new way to play guitar, he's 'taking short cuts'?

The OP saw the funny side of my comment.

rcaz

darrenw5094 wrote: »

The OP saw the funny side of my comment.

I didn't.

darrenw5094

El Pr0n wrote: »

I didn't.

I noticed.:)

quicklickpaddy

El Pr0n wrote: »

:rolleyes:
Just 'cause the OP is looking for a new way to play guitar, he's 'taking short cuts'?

OP, AFAIK arpeggiators as you might know them from synths work before the signal is generated, working on the MIDI or CV signal rather than the audio signal. You're looking for something that takes chords you play and plays the notes individually, like it would on a synth, right? That's not possible to do. There are boxes that could take one note and pitch shift it according to a sequence, like the Eventide Pitchfactor, but I don't think that's what you're looking for, and it wouldn't be as musical as a synth's arpeggiator.

Basically, yeah you know what I'm looking for. Maybe even just playing the root note and setting the key. I have a Harmonist which I have to set what key i'm playing in first so by the same logic they could do that with an arpeggio as opposed to a single harmony line? Cos it'd just be changing the harmony it's playing to make the arpeggio.

As far as playing chords into goes... Look up the EHX Voice Box. I bought it a while ago. Very clever pedal. You plug you guitar into it and it reads the chords you're playing and then you plug a mic in and sing and it makes multiple-voice vocal harmony in your voice, around your voice, that adjusts if it doesn't suit the chord... If I haven't made that too complicated

rcaz

quicklickpaddy wrote: »

Basically, yeah you know what I'm looking for. Maybe even just playing the root note and setting the key. I have a Harmonist which I have to set what key i'm playing in first so by the same logic they could do that with an arpeggio as opposed to a single harmony line? Cos it'd just be changing the harmony it's playing to make the arpeggio.

As far as playing chords into goes... Look up the EHX Voice Box. I bought it a while ago. Very clever pedal. You plug you guitar into it and it reads the chords you're playing and then you plug a mic in and sing and it makes multiple-voice vocal harmony in your voice, around your voice, that adjusts if it doesn't suit the chord... If I haven't made that too complicated

Yeah, but all those pedals are taking one note and adding frequencies of different multiples to the signal, so if you play one note into a pedal set up to give you a major triad with an octave, you're getting your fundamental frequency F, the major third 1.25F, perfect fifth 1.5F and the octave 2F. The pedal is just duplicating and multiplying your input signal. I guess the EHX Voice Box uses the same engine as the POG and HOG pedals, which is very good at doing that process across chords.

You're looking for a pedal that can differentiate between the chords you play into it, and jump between them, right? I don't think any pedal can take one signal (while MIDI/CV would be a few signals, one signal per note) and decipher each note you're sending into it and then arpeggiate them. Seems like it's beyond the scope of a guitar stomp box.

quicklickpaddy

El Pr0n wrote: »

Yeah, but all those pedals are taking one note and adding frequencies of different multiples to the signal, so if you play one note into a pedal set up to give you a major triad with an octave, you're getting your fundamental frequency F, the major third 1.25F, perfect fifth 1.5F and the octave 2F. The pedal is just duplicating and multiplying your input signal. I guess the EHX Voice Box uses the same engine as the POG and HOG pedals, which is very good at doing that process across chords.

You're looking for a pedal that can differentiate between the chords you play into it, and jump between them, right? I don't think any pedal can take one signal (while MIDI/CV would be a few signals, one signal per note) and decipher each note you're sending into it and then arpeggiate them. Seems like it's beyond the scope of a guitar stomp box.

Hmm... Well like you were saying in your first paragraph and with my harmonist that you have to set which key you're playing in first, if you could set it to say Cmajor and played just an A, then it could give you an Am arpeggio or play a B and get a Bdim arpeggio... I'm not too sure what my harmonist does when I play a note that's not in C actually (when it's set to C)... I'll have to go check later

quicklickpaddy

This is pretty cool...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6idBRbO7RU&eurl=http://www.youtube.com/user/PsiKTrOn&feature=player_profilepage

rcaz

quicklickpaddy wrote: »

This is pretty cool...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6idBRbO7RU&eurl=http://www.youtube.com/user/PsiKTrOn&feature=player_profilepage

Cool, that's like a step-pitch shifter. Nice job.

quicklickpaddy

El Pr0n wrote: »

Cool, that's like a step-pitch shifter. Nice job.

Yeah not exactly what I'm looking for but its close!

darrenw5094

quicklickpaddy wrote: »

This is pretty cool...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6idBRbO7RU&eurl=http://www.youtube.com/user/PsiKTrOn&feature=player_profilepage

Damn you Paddy......that youtube demo just hypnotised me.

Remember the good old days.........when people actually played the guitar.

I can't wait for the Joe Satriani pedal. I will finally master the Satriani style.

Owen

My Boss GT-Pro has one in it. I'd imagine the floor based better GT-10 would have it too.

quicklickpaddy

PaintDoctor wrote: »

My Boss GT-Pro has one in it. I'd imagine the floor based better GT-10 would have it too.

Really? Does it just play the Major arpeggio of whatever note you're playing or what?

quicklickpaddy

darrenw5094 wrote: »

Damn you Paddy......that youtube demo just hypnotised me.

Remember the good old days.........when people actually played the guitar.

I can't wait for the Joe Satriani pedal. I will finally master the Satriani style.

Ah there's no excuse for that opening riff thing. You really should play that yourself. But if I get something similar to the synth in Bliss by Muse... That'd be lovely.

Or if it was ever possible, something like the D-Beam arpeggiator on any of the Roland Juno keyboards... They're immense craic

Sandvich

darrenw5094 wrote: »

What is it supposed to do???

Taking short cuts from guitar practice will not help in the future.

Yeah, because everyone plays guitar in the same way. Hurr.

Owen

The owners manual for the GT-Pro is here, might help answer your question above. I can't ... as my rig is in the band van

http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/_support/om.cfm?ln=en&dsp=0&iCncd=691&iStcd=4

NoQuarter

darrenw5094 wrote: »

Taking short cuts from guitar practice will not help in the future.

darrenw5094 wrote: »

Remember the good old days.........when people actually played the guitar.

I can't wait for the Joe Satriani pedal. I will finally master the Satriani style.

You'd give an asprin a headache!

darrenw5094

king-stew wrote: »

You'd give an asprin a headache!

That pedal has given me a headache.;)

Sandvich

darrenw5094, the problem with guitar is not people taking "easy routes", it's with people doing things like in the "old day", and missing the point since back then it was cutting edge.

I'd rather someone have an interesting sound than a "good" technique(read: Blues ****).

quicklickpaddy

Sandvich wrote: »

darrenw5094, the problem with guitar is not people taking "easy routes", it's with people doing things like in the "old day", and missing the point since back then it was cutting edge.

I'd rather someone have an interesting sound than a "good" technique(read: Blues ****).

Bit OT but I like to keep the two separate. I'm partial to a bit of Malmsteen/Satriani etc but I don't really think it sounds all that nice. It is very fun to play though.

I actually have two amps... Fender Deluxe Hot Rod for nice tone and a Line 6 Spider III for masturbation.

68 lost souls

I really want one of those roller shofters now, da,m it my pedal board is crammed full already stop making me have GAS.

demanufactured

PaintDoctor wrote: »

My Boss GT-Pro has one in it. I'd imagine the floor based better GT-10 would have it too.

It does.

NoQuarter

Dont suppose its on the Pod XT LIVE???

quicklickpaddy

I think I've cracked it! I just got a PH-3 (only oafter upgrading from a PH-2) and with a little bit of playing around I found what I was looking for. I'll post the youtube video here as soon as it uploads... It's taking it's f*cking time! :mad:

Demeyes

demanufactured wrote: »

It does.

The GT8 had one too. It was called auto riff or something like that. You play a note and it would play a sequence after. If I recall correctly there was a few different sequences it could do. I can't remember if it let you program one in or not.

quicklickpaddy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMf5UHF20TY

So what do you think? Excuse my playing btw

NoQuarter

Love the sound to be honest. So unusual and interesting!

quicklickpaddy

king-stew wrote: »

Love the sound to be honest. So unusual and interesting!

Thanks. I'm really happy how it turned out... Pretty much exactly what I was thinking of!

Now to try use it in a song...

Dord

quicklickpaddy wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMf5UHF20TY

So what do you think? Excuse my playing btw

Sweet, if you put a gate after it you could get a more choppy sound. I think that'd be awesome.

quicklickpaddy

Dord wrote: »

Sweet, if you put a gate after it you could get a more choppy sound. I think that'd be awesome.

There's a gate on the microsynth which means its at the start of the line but I think even changing to the bridge pick up which I do in the video does gives it that choppier sound

NoQuarter

quicklickpaddy wrote: »

Now to try use it in a song...

With an effect like that a song would write itself.

quicklickpaddy

Actually... I'm off to see what it sounds like with a vocoder on the end! :eek:

citizenerased1

wooow :eek:

Sandvich

quicklickpaddy wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMf5UHF20TY

So what do you think? Excuse my playing btw

Awesome I'll try that with my M9.

I'd like to see darrenw5094 try that with his picking dynamics :P

rcaz

That sounds awesome, quicklickpaddy! Nice job!

I've been thinking about this, and one thing I really want to do is get the MIDI control working on my Whammy pedal. I could program my laptop to control the pitch shift. In my mind, it seems pretty easy to do in Pure Data or something...

Sandvich

I haven't tried using MIDI with my Whammy or M9 yet. Sounds awkward.

I was thinking that a bandpass type filter would work very well for this. Because you'd be emphasising the low frequencies, then the mid then the highs. I might try the seek wah model on my M9.

rcaz

Sandvich wrote: »

I haven't tried using MIDI with my Whammy or M9 yet. Sounds awkward.

I was thinking that a bandpass type filter would work very well for this. Because you'd be emphasising the low frequencies, then the mid then the highs. I might try the seek wah model on my M9.

Hmm... That'd work with white noise input and a really tight and resonant filter and a big dirty compressor/booster/overdrive/whatever afterwards

darrenw5094

Sandvich wrote: »

Awesome I'll try that with my M9.

I'd like to see darrenw5094 try that with his picking dynamics :P

I have just ordered the lot from Thomann. Hmmm.....can't wait.;)

Sandvich

El Pr0n, paddy and the OP, you may be interested in this clip -

http://www.box.net/shared/io87l7o7ja

MXR Blue Box doing "true arps" and other glitchy stuff. I used a clever trick to make it too that :P

You can't really control what it's arping all that well though(Though maybe if I just played the chord, I don't think I actually tried that enough), but if you just want it for the general oldschool synth sound effect then it's fine.