help: graduate job for information systems student w/o coding!

powerofdreams

Hey gang

hope yer all well.

i have recently graduated with a degree and a master in information systems.

I have 12 months of related experience accumulated: CRM, and business analysis.

I am not very strong at coding and hope to secure something that does not involve actual coding.

I am currently unemployed and am making a serious effort to find work in a related field, I have put together the following job titles that might match up with what im looking for:

• Business Analyst
• ERP Consultant
• Oracle Consultamt
• SAP Consultant
• Procurement
• CRM
• Project manager
• System Design
• SCM
• SAP Designer
• Systems Analyst
• systems engineer

I was hoping that you guys could help me add a few more job titles to this list, in an effort to make my job hunting more effective.

From what I can see, the above list are the only job titles that match up with someone who studied IS, where development is not an element of the job.

Thanks for reading this far!

Welease

Most jobs in IT don't involve any coding, so I wouldnt worry to much on that score.. You could probably apply for any non-developer/software engineer type role.. but..

Personally I think you may be trying to cast the net a bit wide with your list of roles.. Take the Oracle / SAP consultant roles.. Have you worked with either?.. would anyone hire you as a consultant on something you know little about?.. probably not..

I would focus on the BA type role which you have experience with, or try to find more non descript graduate positions within companies. These would generally assume a lower level of experience and the focus would be on training you in the skills you need.

Best of luck.

artful_codger

you should be applying for QA roles, they require a good knowledge of the business domain and QA people work closely with BA's.

powerofdreams

thanks for the help guys, i will check out these roles, there appears to be a lot of BA, and QA, positions out there, but the responsibilities and scope of their work tends to vary hugely from job description to the next, and from one company to the next.

Would i be right in saying this?

artful_codger

i wouldn't say all QA and BA jobs vary hugely, but every company has a different product and a different development cycle, so no two jobs are the same... job descriptions must be taken with a pinch of salt, they're usually put together by a team leader who can have lofty expectations and delusions of grandeur about the actual skills required. The QA and BA roles are broadly similar across companies - become an expert in some or all of the system, fix bugs in existing software, test or contribute to requirements for new software.

If you're going down either route, become good at SQL - QA's/BA's need to be able to get to the data in order to analyse it and check it's correct.

AARRRGH

http://www.sage.ie/about/careers-vacancies-QA.aspx

Requires 3 years experience, but you never know, your 12 months CRM experience might be enough.

powerofdreams

Hi Arrrgh

thanks for the tip, didnt even know that SAP had a crm solution.

that job would be pretty sweet.

thanks for you help!

AARRRGH wrote: »

http://www.sage.ie/about/careers-vacancies-QA.aspx

Requires 3 years experience, but you never know, your 12 months CRM experience might be enough.

Sleepy

Look at support roles for ERP/CRM solutions. Generally the easiest route into consulting and certainly the best place to learn how the apps work 'under the hood'.

AARRRGH

powerofdreams wrote: »

Hi Arrrgh

thanks for the tip, didnt even know that SAP had a crm solution.

that job would be pretty sweet.

thanks for you help!

Not SAP - Sage!! :pac:

InReality

No offense but I would cut down the list. Personally I think there is no point looking at jobs that you are unlikely to get.
At least I'd ignore these type roles. The last 4 would need serious coding experience IMO.

• Project manager
• System Design
• SAP Designer
• Systems Analyst
• systems engineer

AARRRGH

InReality wrote: »

• Project manager

I don't think you need any coding experience (or even any technical skills) to be a project manager.

Based on my own experience anyway!

Welease

AARRRGH wrote: »

I don't think you need any coding experience (or even any technical skills) to be a project manager.

Based on my own experience anyway!

No coding or technical skills mandatory.. but it does help to have them for proper estimation/planning/control and bullsh1t detection with the developers

Most PM's would have a background in the skill they are now managing in my experience (not all though).

rick_fantastic

All of the above jobs are pretty much out of your league.

SAGE might be an option but you will be working in support for a while Im afraid.

Dont feel bad, everyone has to do it, Masters of or Masters.

Train up, put in the long hours, take all the bullsh1t and impress the hell out of your superiors.

You can start applying for jobs like the ones you mentioned when you have around 4 / 5 years experience. PS you need experience to be a consultant!!!

AARRRGH

rick_fantastic wrote: »

All of the above jobs are pretty much out of your league.

SAGE might be an option but you will be working in support for a while Im afraid.

Dont feel bad, everyone has to do it, Masters of or Masters.

Train up, put in the long hours, take all the bullsh1t and impress the hell out of your superiors.

You can start applying for jobs like the ones you mentioned when you have around 4 / 5 years experience. PS you need experience to be a consultant!!!

My first job (through college and then a bit after college) was tech support. I don't regret it at all. It taught me to problem solve.