Williams v cintron

stellarartois

Is anybody else waiting up for the cintron v williams fight? Anyone have any streams?

cowzerp

Yeah big time, this is a quality fight and anyone who loves boxing has to see this, Cintron can finish with 1 punch and Williams is a pressure fighter with skill who can also finish well..

Cintron is 1 of my favourite fighters to watch but Williams is the most dangerous man in boxing imo!

This is a must see

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Wasn't sure to watch this or UFC, but after reading that post from an MMA mod I have to watch this!:P

nacho libre

oh Machida V Shogun is on tonight as well. It's going to be a late one!

cowzerp

baz2009 wrote: »

Wasn't sure to watch this or UFC, but after reading that post from an MMA mod I have to watch this!:P

nacho libre wrote: »

oh Machida V Shogun is on tonight as well. It's going to be a late one!

Thank Jebus for Sky +

Benny Lava

Will Williams get a big welterweight fight if he wins this?

My gut feeling is no, he will fight someone at middleweight if Pavlik and Martinez rematch and then fight the winner or just fight Martinez again if Pavlik chooses not to take the rematch.

keane=cock

anyone know if any streams will be showing the repeat off sky tomorro morning?

MCMT

Anyone got a link for this? Specifically looking for sopcast but anything will do at this point.

joepenguin

There ya go. http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=74841&part=sports

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Dave Clarke not presenting on Sky?!:eek:
What is the world coming to?:pac:

digme

sopcast://35999

HBO

cowzerp

about to start, lets get it on!!

digme

What a beautiful jab cintron has.

MCMT

Cheers for the links.

Aye, Cintron's jab has wonderful snap. He's fighting really smart here. Can't see things staying this way for long though.

Bodhisopha

He's faking!!!

digme

oh fuk

digme

Bodhisopha wrote: »

He's faking!!!

Don't be an silly,he's training for bloody months for this.

magma69

This is ridiculous!

Bodhisopha

Poor bastard. Good old boxing, eh.

eagle eye

Ok firstly I hope Cintron is ok.

Having a decision in a situation like this is a complete joke.

Furthermore how the fcuk could any judge have it 40-36 either way?

eagle eye

Bodhisopha wrote: »

He's faking!!!

He wanted to continue, the Doctor stopped it.

Bodhisopha

eagle eye wrote: »

He wanted to continue, the Doctor stopped it.

Ah yeah, don't mind me.

MCMT

What an anti-climax. Just as things were heating up! Balls.

stellarartois

WOW!!

magma69

Should have been a no contest, bookies would have cleaned up.

cowzerp

No contest all the way, i'd say it might get reversed tbh, scam if not..

keane=cock

how can one judge give cintron all 4 round and one judge give all 4 rounds to williams???

how can these judges be watching different fights?? unbelievable

Benny Lava

Should be declared a no contest.

Big Ears

magma69 wrote: »

Should have been a no contest, bookies would have cleaned up.

They'd have had to refund all bets as the bout would be declared void, so they wouldn't earn a penny.

cowzerp wrote: »

No contest all the way, i'd say it might get reversed tbh, scam if not..

Doubt it, the correct decision was taken under California rules and I'd be shocked if it didn't stand. Not that I agree with the rule, being able to go to the cards after just 3 completed rounds and the start of another is ridiculous, but they've applied them correctly.

It's a bit like the way in Britain where fighter could win due to a stoppage from a cut, even if the cut came from a accidental headclash and they had lost every prior round. That rule was only amended there recently and lots of fighters have been victim to it.

mr.mayo

This dude is pissed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj7bRSz9fSA&feature=player_embedded#!

colly10

mr.mayo wrote: »

This dude is pissed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj7bRSz9fSA&feature=player_embedded#!

I've watched it many times at this stage and I wouldn't totally disagree, its not a great view in the clip above but in the one i've downloaded I can't rule out a jump, I think he could have kept himself in the ring.
He then went on to say that he was telling the doctors that he was just winded and said he felt fine after a minute and told them he was ok to continue and they took the fight away from him, he blames it on the doctors. To me thats a total joke, he didn't move, if he wanted them to believe he was ok he could have sat up, moved them out of the way and made his way back to the ring, instead he just lay there on his face (I thought he actually damaged his spine looking at him). He's a joke and has noone to blame but himself

MCMT

colly10 wrote: »

I've watched it many times at this stage and I wouldn't totally disagree, its not a great view in the clip above but in the one i've downloaded I can't rule out a jump, I think he could have kept himself in the ring.
He then went on to say that he was telling the doctors that he was just winded and said he felt fine after a minute and told them he was ok to continue and they took the fight away from him, he blames it on the doctors. To me thats a total joke, he didn't move, if he wanted them to believe he was ok he could have sat up, moved them out of the way and made his way back to the ring, instead he just lay there on his face (I thought he actually damaged his spine looking at him). He's a joke and has noone to blame but himself

I think his "jump" was merely made in an effort to avoid the judges and their table. It was a reflexive thing. It's almost preposterous to suggest Cintron capitalized on an impromptu accident.

The guy should be given a break. He boxed very, very well in the opening rounds and ended up losing the fight under the most ludicrous of circumstances. Everyone - including PWill and his team - admit that. He deserves for this to be ruled a no contest and a rematch.

makl

cintron interview here http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=23797&more=1

x PyRo

To quote one of my friends who's a Paul Williams fan.

"The dude was afraid so he jumped out of the ring".

:pac:

corny

x PyRo wrote: »

To quote one of my friends who's a Paul Williams fan.

"The dude was afraid so he jumped out of the ring".

:pac:

I don't know whether he was afraid, maybe he was, but there's little doubt he jumped out of the ring. He could easily have stayed on his feet never mind in the ring. Williams didn't push him, drag him or trip him. He wasn't dazed by a big hit either. Cintron was completely in control.

Sid_Justice

It really looks to me like he jumped out. He lay on the ground without moving for 3 mins and then said he's fine he want's to continue. Should have learned to break fall

megadodge

Have to say unlike the commentators and the usual crew of drunken American boo boys I thought this was developing into a very interesting fight, which is why I was so disgusted with what happened.

I really think there was nothing (majorly) wrong with Cintron. I looked at it numerous times and I couldn't see where he collided heavily with something or twisted anything. I'm totally unconvinced that he wanted to go on and the doctor was to blame.

Big Ears

megadodge wrote: »

Have to say unlike the commentators and the usual crew of drunken American boo boys I thought this was developing into a very interesting fight, which is why I was so disgusted with what happened.

I really think there was nothing (majorly) wrong with Cintron. I looked at it numerous times and I couldn't see where he collided heavily with something or twisted anything. I'm totally unconvinced that he wanted to go on and the doctor was to blame.

He caught his neck on the ring apron, which is the only possible thing I saw which could have caused an injury. I think he probably could have gone on and I've no idea how the situation transpired where he couldn't, but Cintron isn't a stubborn guy. If a doctor told him not to move, he's the type of person who wouldn't(even if he felt fine).

While there's no doubt he did end up propelling himself through the ropes, I'm not exactly sure this was in any way intentional and I certainly don't think it was Cintron's way of looking for an 'out'. One issue I saw brought up is that the ropes were only tied at the ring posts and not in the middle.
Now that's not very common nowdays in boxing, and it's a safety feature which really should be in all rings. Anyway because of this the ropes were unusually lose and wouldn't really support anything.

Kermit perhaps was trying to adjust himself so he stayed upright(by jumping upwards into the ropes), and in most rings he would have just fired himself into the middle rope and not gone through. But due to the ****ty ring he went straight out. Only Cintron will really know what happened, but if anyone genuinely thinks Cintron jumped out of the ring, while having just stunned Williams and his corner having told him he was winning the fight in their opinion, just so he could get away from Williams and out of the fight.......well you may want to re-evaluate that opinion because it's just wrong.

walshb

I haven't seen the incident, but it strikes me as a very odd and awkward way of trying
to opt out and quit. More danger than the actual fight:)

cowzerp

what he done was not deliberate!
it was an involuntary response to save him landing bad.
The doctors told him to stay still which would be normal protocol with potential neck injuries, im pretty sure he would have been ok but decided to follow doctors orders, i think he was doing well in the fight and was defo not been dominated..

nacho libre

well as the saying goes rules were meant to be broken and this is surely one of those occasions. Anyone suggesting he deliberately jumped out of the ring is having a laugh, because it's risking major injury and why would he do that when he was having his best round of the contest in a fairly even fight up to that point. Had he been battered from pillar to post for those three rounds then you might have a point.

Spazdarn

Cintron has a history of ducking out of fights like this, like he did in the previous Williams fight..

I don't think he jumped but I think he thought the fight would have been called a no contest... He said he needed a bit of air but he lay motionless for about 5 minutes, if he was really feeling ok why lay there like you've just died, I know the doctors would tell him to stay still for fear of neck damage but if you don't feel any damage just a bit winded they you'll show as much...

If all he got was a dig in the back from a monitor, he'd surely be able to move his whole body... the only time he ****ing moved was when he was going into the Ambulance and he was informed he'd lost, in which he suddenly sprouted the energy to smash his arm off the Ambulance door...

Very suspect...

T-K-O

He just rocked the guy yet jumps outta the ring :rolleyes:

Cintron deserves a break on this one

me-skywalker

I think after the firs 3 roudns he knew he was up against it.
He clearly put a spring in his step to get therough the ropes. He coudl have easily avoided going through them by cathing a rope or protecting his fall.

When the medics and doctors put him onto the strecther plate he didnt look in any trouble and rolled onto it quite easily. Then getting into the ambulance he punched(hard) the ambulance door with annoyance.

Something fishy happened without a doubt. Just cant see reason why he would take a dive thought but also cant see anywhere he actually got hurt. yes he landed on the table but seriously it was only a small distance from the rope and wasnt ahard fall.

Also another thing to add to why somethign fishy happened is the judges scoring. Such disparrity between the 2 judges scoring 4 rounds to Williams and the other 4 rounds to Cintron. I had it 4 to Williams clearly.

And another thing to add weight to the conspiracy theorists is the ref and commission mixing up which actual rules where beign applied to the match. I can udnerstand being confused at the time but they cleared it up and still there was confusion. Buufer hadnt a clue haha

makl

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Cintron has a history of ducking out of fights like this, like he did in the previous Williams fight..

I don't think he jumped but I think he thought the fight would have been called a no contest... He said he needed a bit of air but he lay motionless for about 5 minutes, if he was really feeling ok why lay there like you've just died, I know the doctors would tell him to stay still for fear of neck damage but if you don't feel any damage just a bit winded they you'll show as much...

If all he got was a dig in the back from a monitor, he'd surely be able to move his whole body... the only time he ****ing moved was when he was going into the Ambulance and he was informed he'd lost, in which he suddenly sprouted the energy to smash his arm off the Ambulance door...

Very suspect...

just to pick u up on that ... in the interview (link above) he states that he was entitled to five minutes outside of the ring (i didn't realise this) but didn't get anywhere near it. i'm sure you were only rounding it up for the sake of brevity but it seems the number does play a role to some extent

magma69

"The doctor, Paul Wallace, is now defending himself. According to Wallace, Cintron was asked twice if he was able to continue and both times he replied "no." Wallace said he would have allowed the fight to restart if Cintron had indicated that he was capable of continuing.

"I did say I wanted the fight stopped because the fighter twice said he could not continue He was asked, 'Can you continue?' and he said 'no.' Twice. If he had mentioned to me something like, 'Give me a moment ... ,' I understand; these are warriors. Any hint that he still wanted to participate we would've given that to him. We would have got him up and given him a second evaluation," Wallace told The LA Times.

Once Wallace called the fight, he claims Cintron changed his mind and wanted the fight to continue."


So there you have it. Nothing wrong with the guy, out of hospital in an hour, yet this "warrior" says he couldn't fight. Any bit of respect I had for the guy is gone. Truly a pathetic move, Kermit the Frog is a disgrace.:mad: I'm delighted Williams got the decision and hope he doesn't rematch him and give him another pay day. Williams/Martinez rematch I think is very likely because is moving up in weight.

Spazdarn

If Shawn Michaels and the Rock can fall over the top rope with amazing regularity and still get up then Kermit the Frog should definitely be able to!

colly10

me-skywalker wrote: »

Also another thing to add to why somethign fishy happened is the judges scoring. Such disparrity between the 2 judges scoring 4 rounds to Williams and the other 4 rounds to Cintron. I had it 4 to Williams clearly.

It was a very difficult fight to score, I had it down as a draw but i've heard some people say all 4 should have went to Cintron and other saying all 4 should have went to Williams. Personally I don't see how you could give all 4 to anyone but I don't blame the judges for the scores in this case, there seems to be alot of disagreement by the people watching as well

megadodge

Just to clear things up, my initial post was questioning the insistence that Cintron couldn't continue NOT his exiting of the ring.

It seems the doctor agrees.