The P90: effective or funny looking handbag

miniture

This is a big argument i always have with my friends because i think the P90 kicks ass in general. and the say its a handbag

Jay TLR

miniture wrote: »

This is a big argument i always have with my friends because i think the P90 kicks ass in general. and the say its a handbag

Your friends sound like they know what they're talking about...;)

Silent Death

Jay TLR wrote: »

Your friends sound like they know what they're talking about...;)

Sounds like they dont



Let the back and forth arguments begin

miniture

Silent Death wrote: »

Sounds like they dont



Let the back and forth arguments begin

are you sure this isnt going to get outta hand because my friends dont actually know what they are talking about one of them still thinks the M4 is the best rifle in the world. what an idiot

OzCam

Pointless topic. You either like it, or you don't. Same as the Armalites, the Kalashes and the Steyr, Tavor, L85 etc etc etc ad nauseam.

And airsoft guns are – by design – not weapons.

miniture

Touché

hightower1

Personally I think its a great design, compact , light and perfect ergonomics.

It sits beautifully and naturally in your hands , the design lends itself excellently for accurate burst or full auto fire as the line of fire/recoil runs straight as an arrow from barrel all the way to stock meaning all the recoil goes directly back practically eliminating muzzle jump in the real steel.

Magazine design is also excellent allowing very quick ammo count reference, quite literally a glance down is all you need, reloading is also top notch as the area you have on the mag to grip as its slotted to the receiver is HUGE right up til the very last millisecond..... not fiddly in the slightest and super lightweight meaning more mags can be carried with comfort.

The extensive use of polymers coupled with the overall size of the platform means weight on the whole is vastly reduced over its counterparts.


As an aeg .... even the ACM one is stunning...
Real steel.... I'd pick a p90 to defend myself with over almost any other platform. Its simply the very best all round system available.

miniture

hightower will u be my new friend lol

ED E

Get a TM and do what KD did. Makes an epic piece of kit.

Shiva

hightower1 wrote: »

Personally I think its a great design, compact , light and perfect ergonomics.

It sits beautifully and naturally in your hands , the design lends itself excellently for accurate burst or full auto fire as the line of fire/recoil runs straight as an arrow from barrel all the way to stock meaning all the recoil goes directly back practically eliminating muzzle jump in the real steel.

Magazine design is also excellent allowing very quick ammo count reference, quite literally a glance down is all you need, reloading is also top notch as the area you have on the mag to grip as its slotted to the receiver is HUGE right up til the very last millisecond..... not fiddly in the slightest and super lightweight meaning more mags can be carried with comfort.

The extensive use of polymers coupled with the overall size of the platform means weight on the whole is vastly reduced over its counterparts.


As an aeg .... even the ACM one is stunning...
Real steel.... I'd pick a p90 to defend myself with over almost any other platform. Its simply the very best all round system available.

I'd rather die in a blaze of glory with an m4 or 416 in my hands, than survive and have to admit to using an oversized keyring when telling the tale later on in the pub

gungun

sorry, are we talking real steel advantages/disadvantages or airsoft?
with airsoft the only downsides for me are the pain of having to buy new molle pouches and that there arnt enough rails:)

real steel, well....

NakedDex

I'd actually get the ACM one and do it up (actually I did). It's just as good for half the price. When I picked up mine, back when the ACM ones first came out, I figured they'd be closer to the awful Well versions than the excellent TM version. By chance, we had a TM version in the shop when they came in and I immediately dropped all plans to get the TM version. The quality was just as good, but the body had the black finish which looked better than the dark grey of the TM. The metal front end was also excellent and the out-of-box performance outstripped the TM.

A few upgrades and a LiPo later, it's one of my absolute favourite AEG's. It'll accurately outrange almost everything it meets on the field, and the rate of fire is spot on where I want it, at 23/24rps.
It's compact and tidy enough to take into tight environments, accurate and responsive enough to compete with it's bigger counterparts and designed perfectly to wield all day comfortably.

The only gripe I have with it, and it's the same gripe I have with the UMP, is the magazines. They're designed excellently and they feed perfectly, but they're a pain in the glutes to store. Dedicated MOLLE pouches or a custom made vest are the only options really, both are pricey. Kd had a nice system using a dump pouch but I'd be too paranoid about loosing them to do that personally.

Shiva wrote: »

I'd rather die in a blaze of glory with an m4 or 416 in my hands, than survive and have to admit to using an oversized keyring when telling the tale later on in the pub

That can be arranged. The bullpup revolution is gaining momentum. Just as soon as you get me that F2000...

miniture

NakedDex wrote: »

That can be arranged. The bullpup revolution is gaining momentum. Just as soon as you get me that F2000...

first bullpups are by far the best design going you have admit it makes the most sense to use that design and second why would you want the f2000. It seems to me to be a ridiculously big lump of a weapon.

Masada

Coz its a bit shorter than an M4 yet has an M16 ish barrel in it, simples.

miniture

ok fair enough. Ill stick to steyrs and P90s tho

chris20

p90 is amazing,TM all the way,tightbore barrel,guarder hope,few lil upgrades and a lipo sorted,im a p90 fan,its just something you either like or ya dont

Big_G

hightower1 wrote: »

As an aeg .... even the ACM one is stunning...
Real steel.... I'd pick a p90 to defend myself with over almost any other platform. Its simply the very best all round system available.

Agreed about the aeg, long barrel, short body.
Real steel's only problem is FN 5.7mm proprietary ammo. Not that big of a deal though, apparently (don't know much about real steel tbh)

gerrowadat

I nominate this for thread title of the year. Nearly lost my ****

NakedDex

miniture wrote: »

first bullpups are by far the best design going you have admit it makes the most sense to use that design and second why would you want the f2000. It seems to me to be a ridiculously big lump of a weapon.

Masada wrote: »

Coz its a bit shorter than an M4 yet has an M16 ish barrel in it, simples.

It's also ridiculously comfortable to wield. The JLS version is around already, but G&G have one on the way that promises to be fantastic.

Also, the Steyr isn't as chunky in the front, but it is quite a bit bigger than the F2000 in length.

miniture

So its safe to say were agreed that bullpup design is good. The only issue ive ever heard of with the design is that some people find it awkward to reload in the prone position. I dont think thats true but you know if you have to pick something to be wrong with anything you might aswell pick something stupid

Silent Death

You really have to love the P90, however in airsoft the mags so far have been....irritating

o1s1n

I like the p90 about as much as I like the Stargate tv series.

Stargate is one of the worst shows to come out of the 90s. Its popularity absolutely boggles my mind. Aliens wearing badly designed and constructed oversized Egyptian god's heads. The creators must have been smoking crack.

Puding

Stargate is one of the worst shows to come out of the 90s. Its popularity absolutely boggles my mind. Aliens wearing badly designed and constructed oversized Egyptian god's heads. The creators must have been smoking crack.

boooo hissss, heretic!! :D

Masada

I hate the show, but macGyver is in it, of course its worth a watch...

cdev

o1s1n wrote: »

I like the p90 about as much as I like the Stargate tv series.

Stargate is one of the worst shows to come out of the 90s. Its popularity absolutely boggles my mind. Aliens wearing badly designed and constructed oversized Egyptian god's heads. The creators must have been smoking crack.

Not a big fan of either the p90 or stargate but I'm gonna post this link for the benefit of those who are

miniture

Id watch stargate but its not great and it doesnt show the P90 off to be that great seeing as all stargate characters do is spray and pray.

Shiva

o1s1n wrote: »

The creators must have been smoking crack.

Wow......thats the single most naive thing I've ever heard you say

Its Hollywood...OF COURSE THEY WERE !!!

moggser

pfft
i'd rather chase some one round HRTA with a oul burnt micky then a P90
put them on a key ring and leave it at that

Puding

miniture wrote: »

Id watch stargate but its not great and it doesnt show the P90 off to be that great seeing as all stargate characters do is spray and pray.

great should provide an accurate guide for most skirmishers then

Silent Death

Puding wrote: »

great news, the show is a great representation of its functionality in airsoft as well then

Yea, its so effective you dont have to aim, saw a guy who 'tuned' his P90 so it fired 36 BB's per second, he could clear a hi cap in under 30 seconds, you cannot feel fear untill somthing like that comes at you......with a box mag *dramatic music*

NakedDex

As bad as box mags are (and let's be honest, they're woeful), putting a box mag on a bullpup rifle looks ridiculous to boot. A box mag on a P90, however, is something that just goes beyond all reason and taste, and anyone who does so should be force-fed said gun via their rectum.

To be fair to the magazine design, while it's awkward as hell to find pouches for, the high cap design is by far the best in airsoft. No rattle due to a sprung follower in the "tank" and a single wind will be enough to feed every round it contains. Even the winder has the option of hand cranking or using an Allen key to make it faster.

miniture

To avoid finding the pouches for the mags why not just cable tie them to your vest or webbing or chest rig etc so that they slip down into the tie but the lip at the end hold them in place

Leftyflip

miniture wrote: »

To avoid finding the pouches for the mags why not just cable tie them to your vest or webbing or chest rig etc so that they slip down into the tie but the lip at the end hold them in place

Cos when you run, they'll rattle and fall?

tonyj_mc

or just buy a molle vest and buy the mag pouchs

NakedDex

Plus, getting a regular STANAG mag out of a regular MOLLE pouch in a hurry is a pain half the time. Adding cable ties to the equation is just a disaster in the making.

The pouches are readily available, it's just an extra expense to consider. The UMP has the same problem.