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Tim Robbins

This is a question for public servants.

If the government had no choice but to make further cuts to public service salaries (let's say the IMF / EU just told us to) and decides to give all public servant workers the following choice:

Choice number 1

Every public servant gets the choice of keeping all their public servants perks (pension, unsackability, holiday leave, shopping day leave etc) but in return must contribute 25% of their salary to keep their perks or loose all their perks and keep their salary and essentially be treated the same as a Private Sector worker:
- Proper performance reviews where you can be sacked for not reaching criterion.
- Less annual leave
- Defined benefit pension ends
- No overtime but it's still expected from you from time to time.

Option number 2
There is an across the board cut of everyone's salaray of say 10% and everyone keeps their perks.

So your Union call you in, which way to you vote?

ClayDavis

Tim Robbins wrote: »

This is a question for public servants.

If the government had no choice but to make further cuts to public service salaries (let's say the IMF / EU just told us to) and decides to give all public servant workers the following choice:

Choice number 1

Every public servant gets the choice of keeping all their public servants perks (pension, unsackability, holiday leave, shopping day leave etc) but in return must contribute 25% of their salary to keep their perks or loose all their perks and keep their salary and essentially be treated the same as a Private Sector worker:
- Proper performance reviews where you can be sacked for not reaching criterion.
- Less annual leave
- Defined benefit pension ends
- No overtime but it's still expected from you from time to time.

Option number 2
There is an across the board cut of everyone's salaray of say 10% and everyone keeps their perks.

So your Union call you in, which way to you vote?

OooooH I'd have to take the 25% pay cut. I wouldn't be able to work in the private sector where you don't have perks like holiday leave. :rolleyes:

Persiancowboy

Before posing questions like this maybe you should take some time to establish some basic facts.

Pay, pensions and holidays are not "perks" ...they are statutory entitlements that all workers, public or private , are entitled to.

I don't know any civil servant that avails of shopping leave....presumably you're referring to the custom of giving staff a half day in the run up to christmas for shopping purporses. I haven't seen that in practice in a long time and i would not allow any of my staff to avail of it.

Overtime is only available to certain civil service grades and has been seriously restricted in the past few years due to budgetary cutbacks. As everyone knows civil servants, like most public service workers, have already taken significant cutbacks in take-home pay irrespective of their grade so why should they take more? the whole thrust of the Croke Park Agreement is an acceptance that there will be no more such cuts, unless there is a serious and unforeseen deterioration in the public finances.

All in all I have no idea what your post is about apart from initiating another bout of ****-stirring of public versus private sector opinions.

granturismo

Do you really expect honest answers from anyone with a pro/anti PS opinion who is sitting behind the anonimity of a keyboard.

Boards should coin its own version of Goodwin's Theory - how many posts does it take for a thread to descend into an anit/pro PS (greek) tragedy/farce.

dean21

Tim Robbins wrote: »

This is a question for public servants.

If the government had no choice but to make further cuts to public service salaries (let's say the IMF / EU just told us to) and decides to give all public servant workers the following choice:

Choice number 1

Every public servant gets the choice of keeping all their public servants perks (pension, unsackability, holiday leave, shopping day leave etc) but in return must contribute 25% of their salary to keep their perks or loose all their perks and keep their salary and essentially be treated the same as a Private Sector worker:
- Proper performance reviews where you can be sacked for not reaching criterion.
- Less annual leave
- Defined benefit pension ends
- No overtime but it's still expected from you from time to time.

Option number 2
There is an across the board cut of everyone's salaray of say 10% and everyone keeps their perks.

So your Union call you in, which way to you vote?

Choice number 1 without the 25 % pay cut as
a) I am already paying 16% in to my pension
b) I get 21 day annual leave which I am entitled to like all workers
c) I can be sacked/ let go as I joined after 1995
d) God help you employer if you can’t get your Facts correct or do you believe every thing you read

dean21

Tim Robbins wrote: »

This is a question for public servants.

If the government had no choice but to make further cuts to public service salaries (let's say the IMF / EU just told us to) and decides to give all public servant workers the following choice:

Choice number 1

Every public servant gets the choice of keeping all their public servants perks (pension, unsackability, holiday leave, shopping day leave etc) but in return must contribute 25% of their salary to keep their perks or loose all their perks and keep their salary and essentially be treated the same as a Private Sector worker:
- Proper performance reviews where you can be sacked for not reaching criterion.
- Less annual leave
- Defined benefit pension ends
- No overtime but it's still expected from you from time to time.

Option number 2
There is an across the board cut of everyone's salaray of say 10% and everyone keeps their perks.

So your Union call you in, which way to you vote?

It a joke i am laughing here
did you just get out of bed????????????????

Welease

Persiancowboy wrote: »

Before posing questions like this maybe you should take some time to establish some basic facts.

Pay, pensions and holidays are not "perks" ...they are statutory entitlements that all workers, public or private , are entitled to.

In fairness, defined benefit pensions are not statutory entitlements (or even common) are are definately considered a "perk".

RichardAnd

Yet another public servant bashing thread. Oh wait, they ALL are.

Honestly, every time this is brought up it boils down to the same thing. One the one hand, you'll get moronic civil servants living in a fantasy world shouting things like "We didn't cause the recession, why could we pay for it. On the other, you'll get bitter people on the dole or disillusioned private workers who want PS wages and numbers cut simply to feel better about themselves.

And in between you'll get the minority in Ireland. People who shut their mouth, open their ears and eyes and actually take the time to educate themselves on the issue so that their opinions will be thought out and meaningful.

and people wonder why we have a recession?

Scofflaw

Alas, I don't see a good future for this thread.

moderately,
Scofflaw