citizenship .....for the US of A

x in the city

how on earth, does someone like muzafh manzabhi or whatever he is called get citizenship and goes on to proceed to blow timesquare to smithereens.

seriously, whats with the government folk in washington dc exactly, when loads of hardworking people, with skills cant get didly squat.

starbelgrade

He blew up Time Square? Cripes. Missed that bit on the news.

ddef

[Bomb Joke]

Times a' Tickin'!

FearDark

Its a lottery.

Run_to_da_hills

x in the city wrote: »

how on earth, does someone like muzafh manzabhi or whatever he is called get citizenship and goes on to proceed to blow timesquare to square to smithereens.

seriously, whats with the government folk in washington dc exactly, when loads of hardworking people, with skills cant get didly squat.

I wonder how much this guy got paid for his stint, just like the previous underwear "bomber" he will probably get a new identity. :rolleyes:

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/321624,new-york-police-seek-motive-in-times-square-smoking-car.html

wes

Probably the same reason, so many Irish people were let into the UK, during the height of the IRA bombing campaigns in the UK. Basically, the vast majority of those being let in had nothing to do with the bombing campaign, and were judged on a individual basis, and if they did let in any members of the IRA, it was due to them having no information about it. Also, there is the whole common travel arrangement we have, and the EU, but they could have dumped that stuff if they wanted.

Overheal

x in the city wrote: »

how on earth, does someone like muzafh manzabhi or whatever he is called get citizenship and goes on to proceed to blow timesquare to square to smithereens.

seriously, whats with the government folk in washington dc exactly, when loads of hardworking people, with skills cant get didly squat.

Well unfortunately a Terrorist ORganization (or whatever PC term you wish to use for them) tend to recruit insurgents for this kind of work that can show up clean on background checks and everything else. Also a paradigm noted by the evening news, you cant just blacklist certain countries because - kicker - said Organization will just recruit from a country that is not on the blacklist.

Basically if you're conniving enough, its not that far fetched.

Einhard

x in the city wrote: »

how on earth, does someone like muzafh manzabhi or whatever he is called get citizenship and goes on to proceed to blow timesquare to square to smithereens.

seriously, whats with the government folk in washington dc exactly, when loads of hardworking people, with skills cant get didly squat.

Maybe because he didn't let them in on the fact that he planned to massacre people in Time Square. Either that, or the citizenship officer was just feeling generous...

Run_to_da_hills

Overheal wrote: »

Well unfortunately a Terrorist ORganization (or whatever PC term you wish to use for them) tend to recruit insurgents for this kind of work that can show up clean on background checks and everything else. Also a paradigm noted by the evening news, you cant just blacklist certain countries because - kicker - said Organization will just recruit from a country that is not on the blacklist.

Basically if you're conniving enough, its not that far fetched.

Personally I doubt if any terrorist organisation would have wasted any of their recruits or resources on such an armature event as this.

It smells a rat, the only thing I can foresee happening is a massive clamp down on fireworks, restrictions in carrying inflammable materials in cars, (Gas clinders etc) a massive increase in urban surveillance and a possible excuse to invade another foreign country.

starbelgrade

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Personally I doubt if any terrorist organisation would have wasted any of their recruits or resources on such an armature event as this.

It smells a rat, the only thing I can foresee happening is a massive clamp down on fireworks, restrictions in carrying inflammable materials in cars, (Gas clinders etc) a massive increase in urban surveillance and a possible excuse to invade another foreign country.

America once again on high alert. Never a better way to join a country together during times of political unrest, than to have a common enemy to be angry about.

wes

May have been a loan nut acting on his own, after reading stuff on the Internet, and it would explain the amateurish nature of the whole thing. If there is an actual Pakistan Taliban link, then they must be in trouble, as they are more than capable of creating viable and deadly explosive devices, and have used them to terrible effect in Pakistan, via various terrorist attacks.

Einhard

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Personally I doubt if any terrorist organisation would have wasted any of their recruits or resources on such an armature event as this.

It smells a rat, the only thing I can foresee happening is a massive clamp down on fireworks, restrictions in carrying inflammable materials in cars, (Gas clinders etc) a massive increase in urban surveillance and a possible excuse to invade another foreign country.

Yawn. Do you people never get bored with your conspiracy theories? Do you know how many conspirators it would take to set something like this up? How great the potential is for leaks? FFS, even the Dark Lord himself, Dick Cheney, couldn't stop the leaks about the Plame affair that almost brought him down, and resulted in criminal conviction for his Chief of Staff. Back in the 70s, Tricky Dicky couldn't stop the leaks which resulted in his disgrace. And yet people persist in believing that scores of American agents, presumably with the sanction of successive White House administrations, are involved in plotting faux atrocities on American soil? It's absurd.

In any event, why on earth would America want to invade anyone after the fiscal disasters that have been Iraq and Afghanistan? And if they did, why the hell would they go to the trouble of setting up a poxy bomb in Time Square? Seriously some people need to put the foil hats back in the cupboard and come back to reality.

x in the city

well, with the tough cops in the states and the no nonsense crap they dont take at immigration if you over stayed a visa by .1 of a milli second, i find it amazing someone as reckless and suicidal as m@''|||** m&%$£^&& gets a citizenship none the less

no bother like.

starbelgrade

It was the man on the grassy knoll, in the silver foil hat I tell ya.

Einhard

x in the city wrote: »

well, with the tough cops in the states and the no nonsense crap they dont take at immigration if you over stayed a visa by .1 of a milli second, i find it amazing someone as reckless and suicidal as m@''|||** m&%$£^&& gets a citizenship none the less

no bother like.

What are you talking about? There are 11 million illegal immigrants working in America. Many have been there for years. I was in Boston for the J1 and the people I worked with were practically all illegals. They worked quite openly. And this in a state with one of the lowest Latino populations in the Union. Illegal immigrants in Ireland are dealt with far more severely than those in the US.

Run_to_da_hills

Einhard wrote: »

What are you talking about? There are 11 million illegal immigrants working in America. Many have been there for years. I was in Boston for the J1 and the people I worked with were practically all illegals. They worked quite openly.

Those days are numbered. You won't be able to board a plane on an internal flight, drive a car, enter a federal building, get a job, bank account without it.

Einhard wrote: »

Illegal immigrants in Ireland are dealt with far more severely than those in the US.

Thats because of the relative small population and the number of mouths about particularly in rural areas.

Einhard

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Those days are numbered. You won't be able to board a plane on an internal flight, drive a car, enter a federal building, get a job, bank account without it.
Thats because of the relative small population and the number of mouths about particularly in rural areas.

Nothing of the sort is likely to happen on a federal level. There's bi-partisan support for immigration reform in the states, including some form of amnesty for those already there. American immigration policy is no more rigorous than most other developed countries, and more liberal than some, so beyond the usual reflexive anti-Americanism, I don't see why they should be singled out for such criticism.

AnonoBoy

x in the city wrote: »

how on earth, does someone like muzafh manzabhi or whatever he is called get citizenship and goes on to proceed to blow timesquare to smithereens.

Well the short answer is he doesn't, cause he sucks at making bombs.

Or

The conspiracy answer is: he was paid to do this as part of a 'false flag' operation. Sure everything, including 9/11 was faked. The Twin Towers are still standing, they just pay everyone in New York to pretend they were hit and use computer graphics to doctor photos and video footage. It's so obvious. There's no terrorists, the whole thing has been concocted to sell insurance premiums to wealthy middle class Europeans. Wake up and smell the java baby.

starbelgrade

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Well the short answer is he doesn't, cause he sucks at making bombs.

Or

The conspiracy answer is: he was paid to do this as part of a 'false flag' operation. Sure everything, including 9/11 was faked. The Twin Towers are still standing, they just pay everyone in New York to pretend they were hit and use computer graphics to doctor photos and video footage. It's so obvious. There's no terrorists, the whole thing has been concocted to sell insurance premiums to wealthy middle class Europeans. Wake up and smell the java baby.

These days, due to recent events in Iceland, that expression has been changed to, "Wake up & smell the lava, baby"!

Kivaro

x in the city wrote: »

how on earth, does someone like muzafh manzabhi or whatever he is called get citizenship and goes on to proceed to blow timesquare to smithereens.

seriously, whats with the government folk in washington dc exactly, when loads of hardworking people, with skills cant get didly squat.

He married a U.S. citizen.

Bob Z

x in the city wrote: »

how on earth, does someone like muzafh manzabhi or whatever he is called get citizenship and goes on to proceed to blow timesquare to smithereens.

seriously, whats with the government folk in washington dc exactly, when loads of hardworking people, with skills cant get didly squat.

Oh i don't maybe he didnt tell them about the bomb



:cool:

Manic Moran

Einhard wrote: »

Maybe because he didn't let them in on the fact that he planned to massacre people in Time Square. Either that, or the citizenship officer was just feeling generous...

It's question B on the I-94W immigration form. "Are you seeking entry to engage in criminal or immoral activities." Surely there's a question like that for people applying for citizenship, no? He must have lied...

(If you think I'm joking, here's the form: http://www.immihelp.com/visas/sample-i94w-form.pdf)

NTM

FlutterinBantam

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Personally I doubt if any terrorist organisation would have wasted any of their recruits or resources on such an armature event as this.

It smells a rat, the only thing I can foresee happening is a massive clamp down on fireworks, restrictions in carrying inflammable materials in cars, (Gas clinders etc) a massive increase in urban surveillance and a possible excuse to invade another foreign country.

You need to get yourself seen to buddy,you have made two attempts to stir up your anti American rhetoric here, the first one went over the heads of the good people here, and you reckoned you need to be more specific.


Getting a bit tiresome and hackneyed and quite frankly boring.

Dravokivich

wes wrote: »

May have been a loan nut ....

fúcking bankers...

x in the city

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Those days are numbered. You won't be able to board a plane on an internal flight, drive a car, enter a federal building, get a job, bank account without it.
Thats because of the relative small population and the number of mouths about particularly in rural areas.

yeah, but we can all relate to illegals in the US of A (I know loads), but they work their ass off ,and make do as best as they can under a bad situation. how bad would it be if you couldnt get a bank card in Ireland to take out cash for the weekend booze up eh...:rolleyes:


they dont have sinister thoughts into blowing up New York and our ancenstors built large parts of the States busting their balls.

The government can do what the hell they like now, I think they are an overzealous lot, and obviously quite useless and flawed., bender and the professor could do a better job.

Offering citizenship to Munfazhab wallabi who decided to try and blow up NY a few months later

lulz

FAIL sir, never learnt a signle lesson from 9/11 huh

Run_to_da_hills

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

You need to get yourself seen to buddy,you have made two attempts to stir up your anti American rhetoric here, the first one went over the heads of the good people here, and you reckoned you need to be more specific.


Getting a bit tiresome and hackneyed and quite frankly boring.

I have nothing against the American people, but everything against unjust corruption, It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Mossad were also behind this one. They are capable of anything including forging international passports and civil documents :rolleyes:

Dravokivich

x in the city wrote: »

Offering cizenship to Munfazhab wallabi who decided to try and blow up NY a few months later

lulz

FAIL sir, never learnt a signle lesson from 9/11 huh

Is the US Immigration Office suppose to be able to look into the possible future and determine weither or not an immigrant is going to put the security of the USA at risk?

Can I per chance borrow this machine to see the possible lotto numbers?

FlutterinBantam

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I have nothing against the American people, but everything against unjust corruption, It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Mossad were also behind this one. They are capable of anything including forging international passports :rolleyes

What has unjust corruption got to do with this thread?

Who are you? The Knight in Shining Armour Mk2

I'm aware of people like you, and buddy, you don't fool me.

Take your bitterness and stench of failure somewhere else.

Sorry for going a bit off topic.

Run_to_da_hills

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

What has unjust corruption got to do with this thread?

Who are you? The Knight in Shining Armour Mk2

I'm aware of people like you, and buddy, you don't fool me.

Take your bitterness and stench of failure somewhere else.

Sorry for going a bit off topic.

Yes attack the poster thats against the charter,

I am entitled to voice my opinion on corruption.

Those days may be numbered though.

FlutterinBantam

Dragging a thread off topic is also against the charter.


You of course are entitled to your opinion, just as I am to express mine.

Run_to_da_hills

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Dragging a thread off topic is also against the charter.


You of course are entitled to your opinion, just as I am to express mine.

Off topic but related, Just as the so called "Underwear Bomber" was allowed board a US bound Aircraft unchecked without a passport, I find an eerie similarities about the circumstance surrounding this recent guy, in the way he was naturalised, the sloppiness of the operationand the way he was arrested on a plane.

You are allowed express your opinion about a post but not allowed to pass condescending remarks at another posters.

FlutterinBantam

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Off topic but related, Just as the so called "Underwear Bomber" was allowed board a US bound Aircraft unchecked without a passport, I find an eerie similarities about the circumstance surrounding this recent guy, in the way he was naturalised, the sloppiness of the operationand the way he was arrested on a plane.

You are allowed express your opinion about a post but not allowed to pass condescending remarks at another posters.

Why don't you start a ' I hate the USA' thread and stop trying to hijack this one?

AnonoBoy

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

You need to get yourself seen to buddy,you have made two attempts to stir up your anti American rhetoric here, the first one went over the heads of the good people here, and you reckoned you need to be more specific.

I'd just like to point out that it didn't go over my head, I just chose to ignore it.

Thanks for your time.

Gentlemen, let the bickering continue......

FlutterinBantam

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I'd just like to point out that it didn't go over my head, I just chose to ignore it.

Thanks for your time.

Gentlemen, let the bickering continue......

My apologies on that, also another poster responded as well.

RichTea

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Off topic but related, Just as the so called "Underwear Bomber" was allowed board a US bound Aircraft unchecked without a passport, I find an eerie similarities about the circumstance surrounding this recent guy, in the way he was naturalised, the sloppiness of the operationand the way he was arrested on a plane.

Is everything a conspiracy theory?

Nodin

x in the city wrote: »

how on earth, does someone like muzafh manzabhi or whatever he is called get citizenship and goes on to proceed to blow timesquare to smithereens.

seriously, whats with the government folk in washington dc exactly, when loads of hardworking people, with skills cant get didly squat.

...because - at a guess - something happened to cause him to decide to 'go Jihadi' in the interim.

Take a read of the last US citizen who had that idea.....
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20100311_Before__jihad___Colleen_had_her_demons.html

Run_to_da_hills

RichTea wrote: »

Is everything a conspiracy theory?

Almost.

danbohan

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I have nothing against the American people, but everything against unjust corruption, It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Mossad were also behind this one. They are capable of anything including forging international passports and civil documents :rolleyes:

if mossad was behind it , it would have blown up me thinks!

Run_to_da_hills

danbohan wrote: »

if mossad was behind it , it would have blown up me thinks!

Whether the "bomb: went off or not is not the point of this exercise.

I said this before: problem - reaction - solution

The solution is their goal.

x in the city

I find it a bit ironic that the people who helped build up the US of A into what it is today are being hounded out of the place and not being given f*** all rights, while extremists from the middle east are freely given citizenship nonethe less, to blow up the country.

americans, dont you love em

Einhard

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Whether the "bomb: went off or not is not the point of this exercise.

I said this before: problem - reaction - solution

The solution is their goal.

So Mossad planted a dodgy bomb in Time Square so that the mayor would sanction extra traffic cameras?

Einhard

x in the city wrote: »

I find it a bit ironic that the people who helped build up the US of A into what it is today are being hounded out of the place and not being given f*** all rights, while extremists from the middle east are freely given citizenship nonethe less, to blow up the country.

americans, dont you love em

Yeah, bloody xenophobes, kicking all those Latinos out, when everyone knows it's those swarthy, shifty Middle Eastern types that shoud be targeted.

Nodin

x in the city wrote: »

I find it a bit ironic that the people who helped build up the US of A into what it is today are being hounded out of the place and not being given f*** all rights, while extremists from the middle east are freely given citizenship nonethe less, to blow up the country.

Dear o dear.......

rockonollie

x in the city wrote: »

how on earth, does someone like muzafh manzabhi or whatever he is called get citizenship and goes on to proceed to blow timesquare to smithereens.

seriously, whats with the government folk in washington dc exactly, when loads of hardworking people, with skills cant get didly squat.

very short answer.

Anyone is eligible to become a US citizen if;

1. They have lived legally in the US for 5 years (3 years if married to a US citizen)

2. They have not been convicted of any crime while living in the US.

3. They pass the citizenship test.

Mars Bar

rockonollie wrote: »

very short answer.

Anyone is eligible to become a US citizen if;

1. The have lived legally in the US for 5 years (3 years if married to a US citizen)

2. The have not been convicted of any crime while living in the US.

3. The pass the citizenship test.

Which is ridiculously simple to pass btw!

rockonollie

yes but as far as USCIS are concerned......they first two items in the criteria are the important ones....

partyatmygaff

x in the city wrote: »

I find it a bit ironic that the people who helped build up the US of A into what it is today are being hounded out of the place and not being given f*** all rights, while extremists from the middle east are freely given citizenship nonethe less, to blow up the country.

americans, dont you love em

Who helped build the USA? Immigrants.

Seriously, how can you not see what's wrong with what you're saying? How exactly are they meant to discriminate between immigrants plotting an attack and genuine immigrants?