A Result !

AlekSmart

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/cab-seizes-8364275000-in-assets-from-gang-couple-2163177.html

Full credit must surely go to the Gardaí who so diligently pursued this case ?

Whilst the CAB appear to be recieving most of the coverage I`m guessing that a lot of painstaking local on-the-ground work must have been required to result in a conviction of this nature ?

The entire area covered by this case covers one of the great unspoken fears of rural Ireland and is sometimes uncomprehended by the more urbanized amongst us.

Either way the entire Garda team are due high praise for facilitating such a strong message to be sent out into the wilderness.

Take a bow

Hooch

AlekSmart wrote: »

Full credit must surely go to the Gardaí who so diligently pursued this case ?

Full credit must surely go to the CAB officers......who are not just members of AGS....CAB are also Revenue etc......all of which are needed during an investigation.

MagicSean

As NGA says it is generally the CAB detectives that do the ground work along with help from revenue, social welfare, customs and legal representatives. These are civil judgements, not convictions, and regular gardaí don't tend to be involved other than as local support.

The CAB is one of the most original and ingenius methods of law enforcement to be brought in. It should be a source of pride to the Irish people to know that many other countries attempt to model themselves on the success of the organisation.

meathstevie

I remember from reading the story that the FBI used similar techniques to go after whiskey smugglers during the prohibition years but yes, it's a great way to go after serious criminals.
Hit them where it hurts most : their wallet.

deadwood

meathstevie wrote: »

Hit them where it hurts most : their wallet.

...after an agreed settlement between the revenue and the tax defaulters.

donaghs

With all his convictions, including killing a man in 1998, Wall should've have been in jail anyway.

Seeing the collection of money on the news, especially the old bank notes, it sends a chill down the spine to think how the may have extracted it from some of their victims who were home at the time. It's hard to have sympathy for people who show no mercy to others.

meathstevie

donaghs wrote: »

With all his convictions, including killing a man in 1998, Wall should've have been in jail anyway.

Seeing the collection of money on the news, especially the old bank notes, it sends a chill down the spine to think how the may have extracted it from some of their victims who were home at the time. It's hard to have sympathy for people who show no mercy to others.

One of the reasons why the CAB was created. If criminal cases couldn't or didn't work at least the option is there to go after blatantly ill gotten gains.

AlekSmart

I`m wondering if it`s worthwhile pursuing the "Result!" element of this thread a wee bit more.

This time,however,it`s not quite so cut and dried.....

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/terrible-toll-of-feral-lives-lived-in-teen-underworld-2173321.html

The verdict on the accused in this nasty case,itself illustrative of an entire lifestyle choice,was undeniably the correct one.

The mandatory life sentence again only right and proper.
There are,already,quite strong questions as to the imposition of concurrent sentences for a double murder.

Perhaps the most pressing is what this says about the recognition by the State that there were TWO seperate and totally innocent lives taken by the accused.

To a layperson it seems that the State is giving this man 7 years per murder (given that "life" averages at 14 years served).

Again the investigating Gardai are deserving of the highest praise given the revelations as to the sheer scale of work they put into this case.

Maeve Sheehans article is to me,a very hard read,I know the area and pass through it frequently.

It`s very possible that I passed through these groups on my own way into this very chipper on many occasions....it would be a rare occurrance to pass them without having to hear some smart-ass or reaction inducing comment or the deliberate physical contact intended to provoke a response.

I think Maeve Sheehans words in this quote need to be digested and given some serious consideration by anybody who believes that our laws relating to so-called Minors do not require immediate reassessment......

The two teenage girls were interviewed by detectives seven times, in the presence of their parents or a responsible adult. At first, they were not forthcoming. One of the girls said she had not called Curran, until her mobile phone records were produced and she could no longer deny it. Only when detectives examined her phone did the chilling text messages she exchanged with Curran emerge.

An enormous file, outlining 374 lines of inquiry detectives had followed and 226 statements, was sent to the Director of Public Prosecutions.

Garda opinion was that the two teenage girls and the boy should be charged with public order offences. The DPP disagreed. The children were to be dealt with under the juvenile liaison scheme. The two girls were cautioned and placed under the supervision of juvenile liaison officer. They both testified in court by video link, their identities protected.

At Curran's sentencing, Mr Justice McKechnie said the murders had occurred after an incident of almost meaningless consequence.

That DPP decision,in apparent conflict with the Garda opinion,requires some explanation if we are not to be forced to assume that the DPP not for the first time is erring on the side of leniency in relation to juvenile crime,especially violent crime.

I would suggest to the DPP that this policy,if it is that is leading to a very serious situation indeed,as Meave Sheehan describes in the last section of her grim article.....

The gang waited five years to get revenge on the family by murdering Roy Collins. The girl refused entry into the Collins family-run pub all those years ago was just 14 years old.

AlekSmart

Different time,different place....same old story....

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/thug-gets-four-years-for-assault-that-left-student-blind-in-one-eye-2188472.html

Some of the comments deserve fuller consideration...

Judge Patricia Ryan said she would not forget Mr Cuidzambwa's victim impact report nor the "quiet dignity" with which he delivered it to the court.

She said it was an "unwarranted and unprovoked attack on a defenceless man" and considered a consecutive sentence appropriate given Mooney's "propensity to violence".

Judge Ryan may well remember this poor victims words but she also needs perhaps to question whatever effect her sentence will have upon a committed violent criminal.

Yet the Judge is to be commended for at least acknowledging the existance of the term Consecutive and for recognizing that this was one case that fully merited its use.

And,of course,the usual addendum......

He has 22 previous convictions including attempted rape.

However what jumps off the page for me is the victims simple yet pathetic statement.....

Mr Cuidzambwa told the court that though doctors had informed him they could do nothing for him, he still hoped that he would regain sight in his eye one day. He said: "I am left to hope hopelessly, but then if I do not hope what will I do?"

Naked yet powerful words of suffering that perhaps could be tatoo`d onto the guilty party`s forehead...lest he forget ?

As for the rest of us...does anybody care anymore or is the State actually a busted flush in terms of having due regard for the protection of it`s (law abiding) citizens ?