Steaming Sky from one room to another (wirelessly)

Shane732

I'm sure this topic has been discussed before but I can't seem to find any decent threads on it.

Basically, I currently have sky multiroom (one standard box and a sky plus box). I want to stream what's playing on the standard box to another tv.

I know there's options such as Angel Eyes and wireless receivers. The angel eyes aren't an option and I've tried the wireless receivers but the there is too much inference in the way.

I'm wondering if there is any other way to stream sky to another room? Maybe using a laptop or media server of something?

Any help would be much appreciated!

STB

Shane732 wrote: »

I'm sure this topic has been discussed before but I can't seem to find any decent threads on it.

Basically, I currently have sky multiroom (one standard box and a sky plus box). I want to stream what's playing on the standard box to another tv.

I know there's options such as Angel Eyes and wireless receivers. The angel eyes aren't an option and I've tried the wireless receivers but the there is too much inference in the way.

I'm wondering if there is any other way to stream sky to another room? Maybe using a laptop or media server of something?

Any help would be much appreciated!

Does it have to be streaming ? No cables ?

If the sky box doesnt have an RF modulator, buy one and connect it to the sky box. But that involves cables.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/ILS102-MODULATOR-ALLOWS-SCART-SOCKET/dp/B000M6SMKW

gtg60

ALL Sky boxes have modulators built in.

OP, you're not doing yourself any favours by ruling out cables and wireless video senders, your only option if you wish to do it by actual WiFi would be to have a PC with a TV card and then stream it to another PC but that's a rediculous amount of effort and cost when a tenners worth of cable and a Magic Eye (not an Angel Eye) will work better and allow control of the sky box from the other room.

rlogue

Simplest way to do it would be to use a Dreambox with a suitable image that can read the Sky card. You can also bypass the ridiculous restricted Irish EPG.

Shane732

Well I don't mean no wires whatsoever.

I mean that I can't physically wire one box to another tv because of the distance involved and wiring through the attic is not an option.

Wireless video senders aren't an option (largely due to the interference - walls, other signals and the distance would be at the max of the senders too).

So what's the easiest way to do it?

What would I need to do with a dreambox?

Thanks for the help.

gtg60

Shane732 wrote: »

I mean that I can't physically wire one box to another tv because of the distance involved

What sort of distance?

Shane732

gtg60 wrote: »

What sort of distance?

About 30 feet but there's 4 walls in the way....

John mac

have you thought about running it outside?
all you need then is 2 holes.
(i have a 40M run outside)

gtg60

Shane732 wrote: »

About 30 feet but there's 4 walls in the way....

Are they all concrete? Internal walls?

What exactly are you trying to do? Watch the Sitting Room Sky box in the Bedroom?

And where do the existing cables come in and out of the room, perhaps you could follow their routes (at least part of the way).

I really don't like wireless, be it Video Senders or Wifi, I originally used it in my house but switched everything to cables as it's so much better and far more reliable.

Forget the Dreambox idea, that's not for you.

Shane732

Yes they are all concrete walls.

That's pretty much it. The sky box is in the conservatory and I want to watch it in the sitting room.

I know wires would be the idea way to go but it can't be done in this situation.

On another note I'm currently looking at setting up a proper home network either with HP Media Server or running a MAC mini as a HTPC and streaming music and movies to DLNA devices etc... If the Sky has to be incorporated into this then it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

Fr0g

Have you tried the newer 5.8 GHz wireless senders? They claim greater distance and no interference.

Shane732

Is there really nothing else out there apart from those sh*ty wireless senders?

gtg60

How about something like this then:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WIFI-network-IP-Video-server-1CH-Camera-Wireless-PDA-IE-/140402587687?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CCTV&hash=item20b0a57827#ht_10813wt_1026

I'm not recommending it just pointing it out to you, try at your own risk!

Riskymove

Sky player on Xbox?

gtg60

Riskymove wrote: »

Sky player on Xbox?

Good point there Riskymove as he's already got Multiroom it won't cost him an extra so all you'll need is an XBox!

Shane732

Would something like this do the trick for me?

http://www.hauppauge.eu/boutique_us/liste_produits.cfm?type=8&code_lg=lg_us&num=0

Basically I think this provides the ability to record Sky HD to a hard drive.

Then using something like this:

http://dvblogic.com/hdpvr.php

I like it's possible to convince WMC that it's receiving a live tv feed and stream sky from there.

Anyone have any experience with this?

gtg60

Shane732 wrote: »

Would something like this do the trick for me?

http://www.hauppauge.eu/boutique_us/liste_produits.cfm?type=8&code_lg=lg_us&num=0

Basically I think this provides the ability to record Sky HD to a hard drive.

Then using something like this:

http://dvblogic.com/hdpvr.php

I like it's possible to convince WMC that it's receiving a live tv feed and stream sky from there.

Anyone have any experience with this?

You're off on a complete tangent now. I have experience of both of those and they're not what you want unless your goals have changed.

What EXACTLY do you want to do?
Convert the Sky output to something that can be watched on PC's around the house?

Are you prepared to have a PC beside the Sky box? Then a simple TV card will do the trick.

A one box solution would be like the device I linked to a few posts back.

BUT I think your best bet is either use Sky Player on your PC or on an XBox 360.

Shane732

gtg60 wrote: »

You're off on a complete tangent now. I have experience of both of those and they're not what you want unless your goals have changed.

What EXACTLY do you want to do?
Convert the Sky output to something that can be watched on PC's around the house?

Are you prepared to have a PC beside the Sky box? Then a simple TV card will do the trick.

A one box solution would be like the device I linked to a few posts back.

BUT I think your best bet is either use Sky Player on your PC or on an XBox 360.

My most basic goal is to stream Sky from one tv to another.

My ultimate goal would be to stream Sky into a form of HTPC or Home Network whereby I could (somehow) send the Sky to either DLNA Tv's or to some sort of Media player connected to a tv (the media centre could be a PC/Mac)

I'm currently looking at setting up a decent home network. I'm considering either buying a few cheap Mac Mini's and connecting them to the TV's and then streaming from a NAS or maybe HP Mediasmart EX490... Or something!!!!

Mr McBoatface

Shane732 wrote: »

My most basic goal is to stream Sky from one tv to another.

My ultimate goal would be to stream Sky into a form of HTPC or Home Network whereby I could (somehow) send the Sky to either DLNA Tv's or to some sort of Media player connected to a tv (the media centre could be a PC/Mac)

I'm currently looking at setting up a decent home network. I'm considering either buying a few cheap Mac Mini's and connecting them to the TV's and then streaming from a NAS or maybe HP Mediasmart EX490... Or something!!!!

I think what your looking to do is stream all your media like video files, music along with your TV ideally from one central location/box to a number of HTPC's sitting under your TV's located around the house. If your looking to stream TV and media files in this manner it can be done.

I've done this using a 20 metre wired network on a 100mb/s router and cat5e cable, how ever I'm still to complete my media/tv server and network I don't have much spare time at the moment. The streaming I've done was on test basis from a custom built TV/Media server to a HTPC client. I had initially tried networking 3 clients to the server via wireless N+ but found that SD media and TV streamed fine but HD material like HDTV and 1080p mkv files shuttered quiet badly. I only used wireless N+ in the first place becuase I had the routers and receivers lying around unused. I could have had more success with wireless g or some 200mb/s powerplugs but wired networks are cheaper and the network for me is more of a "nice to have" pet project.

Unfortunately the methods I used for streaming SKY (actually SKY FTV) can't be discussed on boards as it fall under "Card Sharing" methods which there is a ban on.

I can however discuss the method used to stream free to air satellite or terrestrial TV. Mediaportal is what I use:- Mediaportal can be used in a manner similar to linux Myth TV in that it can be used in a single-ist installation or a server+client installation. Basically I built a server PC with several TV cards, DVB-S/S2 cards for Sky and Freesat and DVB-T for RTE-NL. I installed Mediaportal TV Server on this PC (only the mediaportal TV server not mediaportal itself). I used this mod to get sky/freesat 7 day epg " http://forum.team-mediaportal.com/general-development-no-feature-request-here-48/sky-uk-uk-freesat-epg-43261/ ". To test other media streaming I also placed some SD and HD media and music on the servers hard drive and made the hard drive part of share network folder. I scanned in all the TV channels using mediaportal tv server.

On the HTPC client I install just the Mediaportal client package. I configured mediaportal to connect to the Mediaportal TV server by adding the network ID details and I configured mediaportal to connect to the media share folder of the same server pc.

I used/tested the server/client HTPC setup for about a week and I was able to stream and receive all the media and TV channels with full EPG with no issues. I may get around to completing my pet project later this year and hopefully I'll have time to do a write up on it.

If this Mediaportal server/client setup is for you more details and help from more experienced people than me on the Mediaportal forum. This type of thing is quiet common there with loads of people there using one server to feed media and TV to several client HTPC's at the same time . Do not ask about Sky or the "MDAPI filter" on the Mediaportal forum as it's a taboo subject there too.

Shane732

jobyrne30 wrote: »

I think what your looking to do is stream all your media like video files, music along with your TV ideally from one central location/box to a number of HTPC's sitting under your TV's located around the house. If your looking to stream TV and media files in this manner it can be done.

This is exactly what I'd like to do.

In relation to your comments I'm not looking to card share at all. I'm just looking to stream what's playing on my sky box to my server and on to my various HTPC's. Is this possible??

Do I actually need the tv cards etc....?

Mr McBoatface

Shane732 wrote: »

This is exactly what I'd like to do.

In relation to your comments I'm not looking to card share at all. I'm just looking to stream what's playing on my sky box to my server and on to my various HTPC's. Is this possible??

Do I actually need the tv cards etc....?

Hi Shane, I was not impling you where looking to card share, it's just the process I use (and many others here) can be easily adapted to the process used in card sharing and as such I can't discuss anything more than the 90% of the process I used to get Sky TV streamed which = 100% of the Freesat/freeview process.

What I've detailed is the extent of my knowledge on the subject and I think it would serve your needs but It's not easy and it's not cheap to do. You might get better advise on one of the HTPC forum sites, this thread subject would be better suited there.

The only other thread I've seen on boards that may help was in the "Post Your Set Up" Thread in the HTPC section.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=61941585&postcount=19

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=64714534&postcount=32

STB

You guys are nuts. Thats some project jobyrne. Your problem with HD MKVs...... some interesting reading (its part of a discussion/how to on streaming to PS3s but there is a criss cross with Tversity etc).

http://www.avforums.com/forums/ps3-media-streaming/1102004-ps3-media-guide.html

Mr McBoatface

STB wrote: »

You guys are nuts. Thats some project jobyrne

I swear it's keeps me sane:) .....BUT it does drive my wife nuts .

To be honest it's overkill , I don't really need my 16TB network with 6 DVB-S/S2 and 4 DVB-T receivers .;)

mike2084

Fr0g wrote: »

Have you tried the newer 5.8 GHz wireless senders? They claim greater distance and no interference.

I can vouch for these, they work a lot better than the 2.4Ghz ones.

rlogue

Unfortunately completely illegal in Ireland, even if they are on sale in Maplins.

emaherx

Hi,
Might not be exactly what you want but I have a Sony Freesat telly with DLNA.
All Freesat/Irish DTT channels are available with its built in tuners.

On the PC upstairs I am Running Windows7 which is DLNA compliant so all media files are available to the Telly, even those not spported natively are transcoded by Media PLayer 12. I also run Playon Media server which makes online conntent available such as Hulu (American TV), Pandora, Iplayer and many more. Also running Overplay to change my IP address as required.

Overplay is about 7 euro a month and the rest is subscription Free.
I now have more TV content than I ever had with Sky and its video on demand too.

I also have Sat/Dtt tuners in the PC which I use to record from, with full EPG thanks to DVB viewer plus a few plugins.

If you really want to stream sky around the house you will require more than one tuner or every one will need to watch the same program. Idealy one per TV which would defeat the purpuse.

slegs

Windows 7 PCs with Media Extenders works well for the basics of what you are trying to achieve. I have been down the road fo MythTV and Mediaportal and while greta products you are required be quite tech savvy and there is mucho fiddling which the family will hate.

The Media Extenders dont do HD but will do everything else and do it very well. I have a Linksys DMA2100 which is a great little unit but they have discontinued them. The XBox 360 is also a media centre extender and is probably better supported than the likes of the Linksys but its very noisy.

Forget about WiFi though, you would need powerline or cabled 100mbit ethernet dor this to be workable.

For what you are trying to achieve this is probably the quickest to setup.

See the HTPC forum for more information.

The dvblogic software is what enables you to use your valid subscription card in the setup.

bingus666

gtg60 wrote: »

ALL Sky boxes have modulators built in.

OP, you're not doing yourself any favours by ruling out cables and wireless video senders, your only option if you wish to do it by actual WiFi would be to have a PC with a TV card and then stream it to another PC but that's a rediculous amount of effort and cost when a tenners worth of cable and a Magic Eye (not an Angel Eye) will work better and allow control of the sky box from the other room.

hi GTG60 & all,

am looking to do this: "allow control of the sky box from the other rooms". My set up is skybox in sitting room & I want to hardwire to the 2 bedrooms upstairs so we can watch upstairs seperately. What do I need to do? & I have no probs drilling holes!

John mac

bingus666 wrote: »

hi GTG60 & all,

am looking to do this: "allow control of the sky box from the other rooms". My set up is skybox in sitting room & I want to hardwire to the 2 bedrooms upstairs so we can watch upstairs seperately. What do I need to do? & I have no probs drilling holes!

you can only watch what is on the box in the main room in the other rooms using a magic eye setup.

if you want to watch different stations you will need a different setup.

(STB in each room fed from the satellite dish)

or sky multiroom (extra cost per month and phone line required)

Shane732

Anyone got any more information on dvblogic?

I think this is exactly what I need - it will allow me to stream sky from my sky box to my laptop and then on to TV's, Xbox, PS3 etc..

Anyone running a similar system?

emaherx

Shane732 wrote: »

I think this is exactly what I need - it will allow me to stream sky from my sky box to my laptop and then on to TV's, Xbox, PS3 etc..

No it won't.

It will alow you to stream channels from a PC with DVB-S/T/C card, a Dreambox or a few other linux based sat receivers. But not a sky box.

With a FTA setup this could work well, but PC's / Non skyboxes do not oficially support Sky encrypted channels (see other threads for ways to do this).

Also only one channel per tuner can be streamed, so for proper multichannel setup you would require a PC with a tuner dedicated to each TV. (otherwise all tv's see the same channel)

Not sure how the Sky card would work with more than one tuner and may break forum rules discussing getting that working. Although I guess you could have a tuner dedicated to sky channels, plus extra FTA tuners?????

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For the srtup that you have in your head. Ie Sky Box scart output to laptop. Stream from laptop to media devices. A simple video capture card and some sreaming software (VLC Player) is what you want. but all TV's will receive the same channel. For multi channel setup you must have multiple tuners.