best ping possible to uk server?

makeorbrake

Hi. I am trying to work out if there is any difference between isp's and ping times to uk servers. If anyone has a spare minute, can they do me a favour and run the speedtest.net test to their server in Manchester - and post the link to the results back here.

That way, i can check if there is any significant difference.

Need to know as its important for an app I am running.

thanks in advance.

maninaskirt

HTH.

Calebmcd

Hank Scorpio

makeorbrake wrote: »

Hi. I am trying to work out if there is any difference between isp's and ping times to uk servers. If anyone has a spare minute, can they do me a favour and run the speedtest.net test to their server in Manchester - and post the link to the results back here.

That way, i can check if there is any significant difference.

Need to know as its important for an app I am running.

thanks in advance.

Use the ping command, speedtest aint reliable for pings imo.

Pinging www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.244.141] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 212.58.244.141: bytes=32 time=29ms TTL=54
Reply from 212.58.244.141: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=54
Reply from 212.58.244.141: bytes=32 time=26ms TTL=54
Reply from 212.58.244.141: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=54




Pinging www.multiplay.co.uk [85.236.96.68] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 85.236.96.68: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=54
Reply from 85.236.96.68: bytes=32 time=26ms TTL=54
Reply from 85.236.96.68: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=54
Reply from 85.236.96.68: bytes=32 time=26ms TTL=54

Eircom 3MB

Be warned I have this exact same connection in another apartment and the big times are double for some reason, different bras

Jonathan

Speedtest.net is crap, but as requested.

watty

It depends WHICH technology and exchange you are on with your ISP too.

You'll get 20ms to 70ms for SAME isp, depending on if Wireless, bitstream DSL, or LLU DSL to UK.

Bitstream DSL will be similar no matter which ISP you have as a lot of the latency is in the Interleaving at DSLAM and also IP over ATM conversion.

So Metro, UPC cable and LLU DSL will be better.

It will vary a little with ISP too.

Falconire

Here is my results

FruitLover

nuxxx wrote: »

Use the ping command, speedtest aint reliable for pings imo

Many ISPs prioritize ping packets (both ICMP and UDP) in order to show artificially low latency. Thus results of the ping command are not necessarily a reliable indication of real-world latency (e.g. game lag)

tazzzZ

ask for ur connection to be changed to fastpath as opposed to interleaving.

makeorbrake

Thanks folks.

tazzzZ wrote: »

ask for ur connection to be changed to fastpath as opposed to interleaving.

I'm on bitstream - and have asked my isp to remove interleaving. Would be great to get that sort of improvement.

Dardania

Tested using 3 meg vodafone - here's the line config:

Line State Up
Modulation DMT
Data Path Interleave



Downstream Upstream
Max Allowed Speed (kbps) 3072 384
SN Margin (dB) 14.50 20.00
Line Attenuation (dB) 26.50 15.00
CRC Errors 6 0

tazzzZ

i am currently with smart but i dont see why digiweb couldnt do it for you or at the very least change u to smart.

tbh though if upc is avail in ur area id prob go for that. the difference in terms of price is just to good. 30 mb upc is cheaper than the 9 mb smart that i am on. unfortunately for me upc bb is not avail at all in my area (which i find kind of suprising since i live in clondalkin).

makeorbrake

tazzzZ wrote: »

i am currently with smart but i dont see why digiweb couldnt do it for you or at the very least change u to smart.

tbh though if upc is avail in ur area id prob go for that. the difference in terms of price is just to good. 30 mb upc is cheaper than the 9 mb smart that i am on. unfortunately for me upc bb is not avail at all in my area (which i find kind of suprising since i live in clondalkin).

I'm on smart too - although its bitstream.

watty

Bitstream (resold eircom wholesale) is typically poorer latency (ping) than LLU DSL for various reasons.

makeorbrake

I got on to Smart but they reckon I am already on low interleaving profile and that they can't turn off interleaving completely. Would the ping shown in my original post suggest that I am on low interleaving (bitstream line)?

makeorbrake

makeorbrake wrote: »

I got on to Smart but they reckon I am already on low interleaving profile and that they can't turn off interleaving completely. Would the ping shown in my original post suggest that I am on low interleaving (bitstream line)?

Am I being told a load of cobblers? Is there a way of taking this any further?

makeorbrake

Well, i've asked them again if they can put the request in to eircon to get it taken off...will see what happens..

tazzzZ

i made the request on the smart forums back when it was smart and not digiweb. there was no hastle at all. essentially ur not on interleaving at all but fastpath. this is only really beneficial for gaming and if ur line can handle it. I tried it at 12mb on fastpath and my line screwed up. signal dropped constantly. I dropped back to 9mb and it seems to be ok. although i will say that the issues did coincide with the change over to digiweb.

makeorbrake

tazzzZ wrote: »

i made the request on the smart forums back when it was smart and not digiweb.

I went through their forums and was advised to contact customer/tech support. They initially came back with a no - but I've now asked them to send the request through to eircon...

tazzzZ

afaik its done by smart and not eircom. its down to their LLU settings for ur connection. they only rent the line off eircom. its them who apply and control all settings over that line. are u on ADSL or ADSL2+?

makeorbrake

tazzzZ wrote: »

afaik its done by smart and not eircom. its down to their LLU settings for ur connection.

Your right of course - but its a bitstream line - not LLU unfortunately.

Although, do my stats in the original post suggest that i'm on 'low' interleaving as they stated?

tazzzZ

in fairness they arent bad. id say they probably are. im not too sure if fastpath is avail on old ADSL. should look into it. least that way u have something to go back to them with.

Gaw_

vodafone 7mb

pizzican

I'm on eircom 3MB.
Based in Limerick

makeorbrake

I heard back from Smart and they say they've checked and its not possible to get it switched off...

Has anyone on a bitstream product ever got interleaving switched off?

makeorbrake

I'm moving to utv now (not because of interleaving - due to random disconnects). Anyways, I have asked them the same thing. I said seeing as they had to get in contact with eircom wholesale to get the line ported over, they could get interleaving dropped anyways. But they are insisting they can do this with a 'profile change' once i've been ported over. Not so sure myself but we will see.

Has anyone managed to motivate utv in the past into getting interleaving taken off?

Gaw_

makeorbrake wrote: »

I'm moving to utv now (not because of interleaving - due to random disconnects). Anyways, I have asked them the same thing. I said seeing as they had to get in contact with eircom wholesale to get the line ported over, they could get interleaving dropped anyways. But they are insisting they can do this with a 'profile change' once i've been ported over. Not so sure myself but we will see.

Has anyone managed to motivate utv in the past into getting interleaving taken off?

I have yes. They do indeed do a 'profile switch'.

However, from my experience, they only had profiles with low interleaving at 1mb lower speed than your actual package speed..

i.e. 7mb on normal interleaving = 6mb on low interleaving.

maninaskirt

Same here, low interleaving on any package below 7Mb but not turned off, my line is actually more stable on the 7.6Mb with standard interleaving rather than less speed with lower interleaving......UTV customer too.

makeorbrake

Gaw_ wrote: »

I have yes.

Ok. Do you mind running the speedtest to manchester - I want to see what sort of ping that gets u....thanks.

dasilverfox

kleefarr

Pinging www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.246.160] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 212.58.246.160: bytes=32 time=41ms TTL=54
Reply from 212.58.246.160: bytes=32 time=41ms TTL=54
Reply from 212.58.246.160: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=54
Reply from 212.58.246.160: bytes=32 time=41ms TTL=54

Ping statistics for 212.58.246.160:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 40ms, Maximum = 41ms, Average = 40ms

ZeRoY

watty wrote: »

So Metro, UPC cable and LLU DSL will be better.

True!

makeorbrake

Thanks for the replies folks. I've made the switch to utv now. Heres my first speedtest;

and pingtest...

I can't tell from this netgear router config if interleaving is switched on but would assume it is. I have asked them to switch it off. Will see what happens.


Q. Has anyone on UTV bitstream managed to motivate them to have interleaving turned off???

makeorbrake

UTV tell me they can't turn interleaving off - or rather wont go back to eircom wholesale and request them to take it off. Just wondering if anyone has managed to achieve this with them?

maninaskirt

makeorbrake wrote: »

UTV tell me they can't turn interleaving off - or rather wont go back to eircom wholesale and request them to take it off. Just wondering if anyone has managed to achieve this with them?

I had numerous attempts with them, same answer everytime " eircon wont allow it ", they did turn it onto the "low" setting though and it halved my ping time so I was happy.....I find them very helpful and I believe Eircon do tie their hands.

CrackisWhack

makeorbrake

maninaskirt wrote: »

they did turn it onto the "low" setting though and it halved my ping time so I was happy

Hi mate. If thats the case, according to your earlier post, then I am already on a low interleaving profile with utv...?
I did try to run speedtest this morning to see if things had changed and I was getting double what I orginally got - however, theres a possiblity that someone else was online in the house at the time...so I will have to go back and check it when I go home tonight...

maninaskirt wrote: »

I had numerous attempts with them, same answer everytime " eircon wont allow it ".....I find them very helpful and I believe Eircon do tie their hands.

Quite possible - but it should be made widely known straight up by the bitstream isp's that Eircom are stonewalling them on it. It may not do any good, but any abuse/pressure should be then shifted to eircom wholesale..

maninaskirt

I dont use ping/speed test to test my ping although the magnet one is quite good, I use the dos prompt to ping an Irish site, it was over 50ms and now it is less than 30ms, I really cant hope for better on my line and it is fine for gaming online.......more so the host causes me issues with lag(MW2) rather than my own connection.

P.S. a lot of modems will tell you the interleaving depth in the stats area, that give you an idea of what yours is set at?

makeorbrake

Well, I contacted utv following them saying that they couldnt remove interleaving and they came back suggesting that they had 'got eircom to lower interleaving'. I know it doesnt work like this. I ran the same benchmark test a few times and if anything its a tiny bit higher than when I first joined utv.

makeorbrake

I contacted them again and they have come back confirming that they have changed my profile. They changed it alright! Doubled my ping and halved by download/upload speeds

Chaz

The fascination with ping continues to amaze me. There is little difference in actual experience between say 18ms and 35ms. Stability of ping (jitter) is more important IMHO.

You learn to play based on your ping anyways - as long as the ping is stable ...

maninaskirt

Chaz wrote: »

The fascination with ping continues to amaze me. There is little difference in actual experience between say 18ms and 35ms. Stability of ping (jitter) is more important IMHO.

You learn to play based on your ping anyways - as long as the ping is stable ...

True...the unwritten rule I was always advised that any ping under 100ms would be fine. COD drives me/people ping mad!! Its an obsession!! LOL.

I get better performance on my 7.6Mb profile with "standard" interleaving than on a 5Mb with low interleaving, certainly more stable.

makeorbrake

Chaz wrote: »

The fascination with ping continues to amaze me. ....You learn to play based on your ping anyways - as long as the ping is stable ...

thats fair enough mate - but that asssumes i'm a gamer - which i'm not..;)

Just got a mail from them saying that they have changed the profile again. I guess its just not possible to get it <50ms....

Chaz

makeorbrake wrote: »

thats fair enough mate - but that asssumes i'm a gamer - which i'm not..;)

Just got a mail from them saying that they have changed the profile again. I guess its just not possible to get it <50ms....

Whats teh reason for the low ping requirement then? Im just curious - nothing more.

makeorbrake

Chaz wrote: »

Whats teh reason for the low ping requirement then? Im just curious - nothing more.

Just an app I use that needs real time data transfer.

Chaz

makeorbrake wrote: »

Just an app I use that needs real time data transfer.

Any decent application should be able to handle small latency changes / slightly higher latency.

preytec

makeorbrake

preytec wrote: »

If only that was a posability!