Lucan 25x being axed by Dublin Bus?

bcirl03

Hi,

Can anyone provide insight into the 'rumour' I have heard about the 25x being axed?

Is it true and if so am I about to have my travel time into town doubled from 30 minutes to 60 during peak hours

Thx,

BC

KD345

It's is not yet confirmed about the future of the current 25X timetable although the Dodsboro service is to remain. You will be pleased to know that all 25A and 25B services will now use the Chapelizod By-Pass and travel to Leeson Street. They will no longer serve Chapelizod, Islandbridge and Conyngham Road (similar to the 25X).

KC61

As the 25a and new route 25b are both going to operate via the Chapelizod by-pass and St John's Road, the raison d'etre of the 25X from South Lucan is removed.

The Dodsboro 25X will remain as the 25 will still serve Chapelizod.

Bazzer2

Lucky Lucaners! I live closer to the City Centre than Lucan, yet my local Dublin Bus route still takes upwards of an hour to reach it.

rgfuller

Full details here:
http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Network-Direct/Network-Direct-Phase-1/Lucan/

With a nice map here:
http://www.dublinbus.ie/PageFiles/5996/Lucan%20Corridor%20Web%201.pdf

Note the new city terminal stop on leeson st.

Sad Professor

This means I'm going to have to get 2 buses to college in the morning. The 25x was great for anyone going to UCD.

Corruptedmorals

Sad Professor wrote: »

This means I'm going to have to get 2 buses to college in the morning. The 25x was great for anyone going to UCD.

The 66X (and 67X probably) go to UCD and most of them go through Lucan.

Sad Professor

Yeah, I know, but I'd have to walk down to Woodies to get them, which, walking very fast, is still at least a 30+ minute walk from where I live.

Rachael300

Hi, i get the 66x or 25x to baggot st from the N7 everymorning, i went to get on the 67x and asked if he went 2 baggot street, he said no, but yet there is a 67x passing me on baggot street in the evenings, does anyone know wats going on?

Sad Professor

Rachael300 wrote: »

Hi, i get the 66x or 25x to baggot st from the N7 everymorning, i went to get on the 67x and asked if he went 2 baggot street, he said no, but yet there is a 67x passing me on baggot street in the evenings, does anyone know wats going on?

I think some of them might only go to D'Olier Street in the morning. Most go Baggot Street and beyond. Either that or the driver doesn't know his own route.

the_syco

Rachael300 wrote: »

Hi, i get the 66x or 25x to baggot st from the N7 everymorning, i went to get on the 67x and asked if he went 2 baggot street, he said no, but yet there is a 67x passing me on baggot street in the evenings, does anyone know wats going on?

Hrm... according to http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/67x/ it goes through Baggot Street in the morning and evening.

KC61

the_syco wrote: »

Hrm... according to http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/67x/ it goes through Baggot Street in the morning and evening.

Not quite true.

One service on the 67X only goes to D'Olier Street (0710 from Celbridge). The rest all serve Baggot Street.

Rachael300

great thanks alot for yoyur help

unkel

Anyone know when these changes will be effective?

lord lucan

unkel wrote: »

Anyone know when these changes will be effective?

July is the proposed introduction of the new changes.

L1011

The spider map for the Lucan routes still has "O'Briens Supermarket" as a stage name in Maynooth

O'Brien's ceased to be in 1986!

Oh and the Hitching Post in Leixlip was demolished about five years ago too. They might want to do a stage name review...

unkel

lord lucan wrote: »

July is the proposed introduction of the new changes.

Cheers.

Very welcome news this. Triple whammy. The 25B means no more meandering through Foxborough, no more silly diversion into Chapelizod and end point on Stephens green.

bcirl03

rgfuller wrote: »

Full details here:
http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Network-Direct/Network-Direct-Phase-1/Lucan/

With a nice map here:
http://www.dublinbus.ie/PageFiles/5996/Lucan%20Corridor%20Web%201.pdf

Note the new city terminal stop on leeson st.

Thanks for the info \ map - now correct me if I am wrong but are we looking at the terminus being no longer in Pearse Street but now Leeson Street?

KC61

bcirl03 wrote: »

Thanks for the info \ map - now correct me if I am wrong but are we looking at the terminus being no longer in Pearse Street but now Leeson Street?

Correct - Wilton Place by the Grand Canal.

bcirl03

KC61 wrote: »

Correct - Wilton Place by the Grand Canal.

Oh dear, so by the time it gets to City Centre the bus will be jammers.

Standing room only to Lucan.

KC61

Bear in mind that the combined frequency of the 25a and 25b will be every 5 minutes at peak and every 10 minutes off-peak.

That is an increase over the existing 25a/25x service.

So it should not be "standing room only".

Also, all the Lucan Road buses will start from Wilton Place - I cannot see every bus being jammed by Westmoreland Street.

average_runner

Getting rid of the 25x and having a more frequent 25a and 25b is alot better especially now the 25b wont go thru foxborough saving people at least 10 mins on their journey

Cookie_Monster

but is the point of "x" buses that they don't stop at most stops, increasing journey speed hugely. replacing them with normal stopping services is hardly a forward step for those commuters

KC61

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

but is the point of "x" buses that they don't stop at most stops, increasing journey speed hugely. replacing them with normal stopping services is hardly a forward step for those commuters

The 25X served all stops from the terminus to Woodies, then Liffey Valley, the two stops in Palmerstown and then non-stop to Heuston and then all stops.

Rerouting the 25a/25b via the Chapelizod by-pass will add 3 stops to the service between Woodies and Palmerstown. Hardly that big a deal.

average_runner

And in fairness the 25x actually stops at all stops between woodies and liffey Valley anyhow, pending on the mood of the driver.

Same on the way home, they arent ment to stop between liffey valley and n4 ramp at the pub but they do.


Some poeple never happy. This is a major improvement.

bcirl03

It does look like a better service overall, however I have reservations with the buses being delayed coming down to Westmoreland Street \ quays and being full.

Lets wait and see I suppose.

brick tamland

I'll miss the 25x thats goes out on the n4 via Superquinn in the morning but otherwise i think the move is good. I really doubt the buses will be packed by the time the hit westmorland st

will the 151 be changed?

KC61

brick tamland wrote: »

I'll miss the 25x thats goes out on the n4 via Superquinn in the morning but otherwise i think the move is good. I really doubt the buses will be packed by the time the hit westmorland st

will the 151 be changed?

Not in phase one, but may well be in a later phase.

KC61

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Network-D...irect-Phase-1/

Phase One of the Network Direct project will involve the redesign of services in the Blanchardstown, Lucan and Stillorgan areas and is due to take place in the summer. We would like to invite customers in those areas to meet us to discuss these proposed changes on the following dates:


•Lucan - Superquinn Shopping Centre, Lucan, Friday May 14th,
2.00pm - 8.00pm


We will have staff on hand to answer any of your questions and to explain in full detail the benefits the redesigned service will have for your area.

AlekSmart

It does look like a better service overall, however I have reservations with the buses being delayed coming down to Westmoreland Street \ quays and being full.

Yes Bcirl03,the overall Network Direct plan is full of potential for real improvements to the core Bus service,enough even to make using the Bus a viable alternative for many who currently don`t.

However,and it`s a huge However,we are currently unaware as to whether the other "Stake Holders" in Dublins Public Transport system will be sufficiently on-board to support this Dublin-Bus initiative.

Wilton Tce,Westmoreland St/Aston Quay and Bachelors Walk/O Connell Bridge are locations where the Network Direct plans will come to a shuddering halt from day 1 IF the other Civic authorities have not implimented some form of proactive measures to allow full efficiency to be made available to all Bus commuters.

My understanding to date is the official line remains that Network Direct is a Dublin-Bus initiative,with NO specific measures as yet in place for the new routings.

This does not surprise me one bit,as it is the traditional method of dealing with Public Transport issues in the City.

However with a plan of this magnitude I would expect the infrastructure to be in-place on Day 1...not further down the line when customers have already been lost.

Dublin Bus have laid their cards on the table here,and it`s now time for ALL of the other agencies to do likewise.
In the absence of such committment it may well be more prudent for Dublin-Bus to scale back or cancel at least some of the Network Direct plans.

As for Expresso services....

The 25X served all stops from the terminus to Woodies, then Liffey Valley, the two stops in Palmerstown and then non-stop to Heuston and then all stops.

As Cookie_Monster points out,Dublin Bus have never really understood the "Express" principle which I feel has diluted its Expresso brand to the extent that reassuming it into the normal service is probably best.

The is good strong business in Dublin for Express Bus services in the classic sense,but I don`t believe the corporate appreciation is there to devise and market it to the target demographic-The Car Driver.

Smilexxx

Guys,

I heard that from Adamstown to Wilton will take 1 hour and 20 minutes (via foxborough) and operational in September 2010.

Is this true?

Stevek101

Probably is. The timetables due to be announced late August. But you never know with this crowd.

bcirl03

Smilexxx wrote: »

Guys,

I heard that from Adamstown to Wilton will take 1 hour and 20 minutes (via foxborough) and operational in September 2010.

Is this true?

Why oh why is the 25b now going to go through Foxborough? Anyone provide any light on this?

Corruptedmorals

Foxborough residents raised objections at the meetings I believe.

Spare a thought for the 66. Still going through Chapelizod, already unpredictable and often very late in arriving from Maynooth...will now serve Glen Easton in Leixlip and other areas of Maynooth not served before, and is keeping the same frequency. The only hope is in working the 66A and B timetables around it. Useless.

bcirl03

Corruptedmorals wrote: »

Foxborough residents raised objections at the meetings I believe.

Spare a thought for the 66. Still going through Chapelizod, already unpredictable and often very late in arriving from Maynooth...will now serve Glen Easton in Leixlip and other areas of Maynooth not served before, and is keeping the same frequency. The only hope is in working the 66A and B timetables around it. Useless.

Ouch, us 25a/b users are getting off lightly so.

Sad Professor

bcirl03 wrote: »

Why oh why is the 25b now going to go through Foxborough? Anyone provide any light on this?

It only adds about 5 minutes to the journey, maybe 7 minutes in the morning. A lot of people live in Foxborough and in the estates beyond. The 25A won't deliver the necessary frequency to justify the 25B skipping them.

bcirl03

Sad Professor wrote: »

It only adds about 5 minutes to the journey, maybe 7 minutes in the morning. A lot of people live in Foxborough and in the estates beyond. The 25A won't deliver the necessary frequency to justify the 25B skipping them.

Hmm, 5-7 mins at a push, I've counted 15 mins some mornings again you take in all the stops, traffic lights etc etc.

The 25b would have offered a faster way into town. Even people in Foxborough could have walked a short distance to avail of it.

KC61

No final announcement has yet been made by Dublin Bus following the public consultations regarding the routing of the 25b. So I would suggest that anything that is posted here prior to that is pure speculation.

As for the 66, for peak hour travellers there is still the 66x which bypasses Chapelizod. Plus if you have a pass there is nothing to stop you transferring to a 25a/b at Palmerstown.

xOxSinéadxOx

66 is such a bad service...

can't believe they have done nothing to improve it in this review!

Chuchoter

I get so annoyed hearing people bitch about the 25a route. It comes every 5 seconds.The mass expanse of housing estate up by superquinn kind of area that it serves, You guys have a train station, millions of buses and you'll get the luas and stuff too. The rest of us who live in Celbridge/Maynooth area got nothing.

BenShermin

crayolastereo wrote: »

I get so annoyed hearing people bitch about the 25a route. It comes every 5 seconds.The mass expanse of housing estate up by superquinn kind of area that it serves, You guys have a train station, millions of buses and you'll get the luas and stuff too. The rest of us who live in Celbridge/Maynooth area got nothing.

Piontless post to be honest, the 25a as it stands has an average timetable of every 15 minutes not every 5 seconds.

Also last time I looked Celbridge had Hazaelhatch and Celbridge train station which will be connected all the way to Stephen's Green once the interconnector is built. Maynooth also has a train station with frequent commuter services to Connolly Station.

Perhaps if the people of Maynooth/Celbridge kicked up more of a fuss (like the people behind the 25b campaign) then you'd have direct services from Maynooth to the city via the N4. I say fair play to Lucanites for bitching and moaning, it's the only way things will get done in this country!

Finally Lucan's Luas looks very much posponed tonight after the Government released it's new capital spending estimates. On the news this evening it emerged that no new light rail systems will be built for the time being.

KC61

xOxSinéadxOx wrote: »

66 is such a bad service...

can't believe they have done nothing to improve it in this review!

crayolastereo wrote: »

I get so annoyed hearing people bitch about the 25a route. It comes every 5 seconds.The mass expanse of housing estate up by superquinn kind of area that it serves, You guys have a train station, millions of buses and you'll get the luas and stuff too. The rest of us who live in Celbridge/Maynooth area got nothing.

Corruptedmorals wrote: »

Foxborough residents raised objections at the meetings I believe.

Spare a thought for the 66. Still going through Chapelizod, already unpredictable and often very late in arriving from Maynooth...will now serve Glen Easton in Leixlip and other areas of Maynooth not served before, and is keeping the same frequency. The only hope is in working the 66A and B timetables around it. Useless.

Out of curiosity, did any of you make submissions to Dublin Bus based on what they published for Celbridge and Maynooth?

Are the 66X and 67X services not adequate?

If Deloitte is implemented correctly, then the 66, 66a and 66b will have co-ordinated timetables delivering a bus to Leixlip every 15 minutes. This will then be supplemented by the 66X services.

Similarly the 67 will operate every 30 minutes, supplemented by the 67X.

average_runner

There is no need for 25b to go thru foxborugh. 25a meets there needs more than enough, every 10 mins at peak times, what more to they want?


Also alot of the areas around foxborough can walk easily to the main road down to pennyhill from griffeen

Corruptedmorals

KC61 wrote: »

Out of curiosity, did any of you make submissions to Dublin Bus based on what they published for Celbridge and Maynooth?

Are the 66X and 67X services not adequate?

If Deloitte is implemented correctly, then the 66, 66a and 66b will have co-ordinated timetables delivering a bus to Leixlip every 15 minutes. This will then be supplemented by the 66X services.

Similarly the 67 will operate every 30 minutes, supplemented by the 67X.

The 66X is fine, though I don't know why they can't all skip Lucan instead of a selection. The last one in the evening should really be at half 6 and not 6, I always miss it trying to run out of college to it. I use off-peak busses more often than peak. I frequently have to wait 35 minutes for a bus in the evening, I am more concerned with slashing the gap between 20:15 and 20:50 and co-ordinating the busses leaving Leixlip than peak services. I think Leixlip has an adequate bus service and an adequate train service, the fact that both exist means that there isn't the drive to vastly improve them, there isn't the demand. Whereas Lucan rely on busses completely. I did look up the meetings, they were held at times I was in work.

Heroditas

BenShermin wrote: »

Piontless post to be honest, the 25a as it stands has an average timetable of every 15 minutes not every 5 seconds.

Even thn, I've often waited up to 40mins for a 25a in the evening.
Countless times I've seen "Out of Service" buses shoot by. Very frustrating.
Thankfully I have the option of walking up to Woodies and catching a bus there (66, 67 etc)

average_runner

Well count yourself lucky Ben! Because of people in foxborough, poeple in girffeen avenue will now have a less of a bus service than we have now.

We will have a bus every 30 mins off peak, but foxborough will have one every 10 mins off peak.

Also means now i cant get bus to work once new schdule comes in and as will take too long.

This will happen for alot of people and then dublin bus will reduce bus service further saying service not needed and this is because of stupid people runnning dublin bus and a few greedy moaners in foxborough.


As they say what goes around comes around and it will:mad:

Sad Professor

average_runner wrote: »

Well count yourself lucky Ben! Because of people in foxborough, poeple in girffeen avenue will now have a less of a bus service than we have now.

The 25B will still going down Griffeen Avenue. Or do you mean Griffeen Road? If so, then yes, you will lose out, but weren't you going to lose out anyway? How is the 25B going though Foxborough to blame?

average_runner

Girffeen Avenue I mean.

How will we still lose out, well here goes:

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- 25x that currently goes down Griffeen avenue in morning goes out by superquinn and in to town, nice and quick, 30-40 mins.
- 151 currently goes down Griffeen Avenue every 15 mins during the week and 20 mins at weekend, this was good.

New Original Plans:

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Was 25b go down Griffeen Avenue and out the Ballyowen road every 10 mins peak and 20 mins off peak.
25b increase our journey time by 2-4 mins but thats ok as more frequent etc and no need to go thru bottle neck in foxborough on way home.

151 might of got cancel.


The New Plan:

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-151 doesnt go Griffeen Avenue but instead to Foxborough at roundabout just after the lights on Griffeen and Ballyowen Rd, so thats one bus gone from us.

Now 25 b goes thru foxborugh adding at least 15 mins to our journey time if not more pending on traffic.
The service off peak will now be 30 mins instead of 20 mins.

Also the people in adamstown that got 25x will now get 25b and will take them ane xtra 40 mins to get to town,


Now it doesnt take rocket science to figure out how people on Griffeen Avenue have lost out, but also people in adamstown.

If dublin policy is to move every one to cars, they are doing a great job!


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