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Article in todays Observer, "Tory star prayed to cure gay people"

  • 02-05-2010 8:25am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭


    Rising Tory star Philippa Stroud ran prayer sessions to 'cure' gay people


    Philippa-Stroud-006.jpg Philippa Stroud, the Conservative parliamentary candidate for Sutton and Cheam, has founded US-style evangelical churches in Bedford and in Birmingham. Photograph: Graeme Robertson

    A high-flying prospective Conservative MP, credited with shaping many of the party's social policies, founded a church that tried to "cure" homosexuals by driving out their "demons" through prayer.
    Philippa Stroud, who is likely to win the Sutton and Cheam seat on Thursday and is head of the Centre for Social Justice, the thinktank set up by the former Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith, has heavily influenced David Cameron's beliefs on subjects such as the family. A popular and energetic Tory, she is seen as one of the party's rising stars.
    The CSJ reportedly claims to have formulated as many as 70 of the party's policies. Stroud has spoken of how her Christian faith has motivated her to help the poor and of her time spent working with the destitute in Hong Kong. On her return to Britain, in 1989, she founded a church and night shelter in Bedford, the King's Arms Project, that helped drug addicts and alcoholics. It also counselled gay, lesbian and transsexual people.
    Abi, a teenage girl with transsexual issues, was sent to the church by her parents, who were evangelical Christians. "Convinced I was demonically possessed, my parents made the decision to move to Bedford, because of this woman [Stroud] who had come back from Hong Kong and had the power to set me free," Abi toldthe Observer.
    "She wanted me to know all my thinking was wrong, I was wrong and the so-called demons inside me were wrong. The session ended with her and others praying over me, calling out the demons. She really believed things like homosexuality, transsexualism and addiction could be fixed just by prayer, all in the name of Jesus."
    "T" said he moved to Bedford because he believed the church could help him stop having homosexual thoughts. "I was trying to convince myself that a change was possible but, at the same time, a part of me didn't believe it was possible," he said. "The church's approach was not that it was sinful to be homosexual but that it was sinful to act on it. The aim is to get a person to a position where they don't have these sinful emotions and thoughts."
    "T" said it was only after he "took a break" from the church that his depression lifted. "It was the church's attitude towards my sexuality that was the issue," he recalled.
    "My impression is that she genuinely cares about people," he said of Stroud. "Her personal beliefs may get in the way sometimes, but she is a positive person."
    Stroud and her husband, David, a minister in the New Frontiers church, allied to the US evangelical movement, left the project in the late 1990s to establish another church in Birmingham. Angela Paterson, who was an administrator at the Bedford church, said: "With hindsight, the thing that freaks me out was everybody praying that a demon would be cast out of me because I was gay. Anything – drugs, alcohol or homosexuality, they thought you had a demon in you."
    Kacey Jones, a hostel resident, said she was told to end her lesbian relationship or leave the church. "Philippa was still around when I first moved in," Jones said. "There was a 'discipleship house' for Christians struggling with issues, including their sexuality. They told me my feelings weren't normal. I didn't want to be gay, I wanted to be like everybody else, get married, have kids and please my parents."
    Stroud wrote a book, God's Heart for the Poor, in which she explains how to deal with people showing signs of "demonic activity". Stroud, who declined to talk to the Observer, writes: "I'd say the bottom line is to remember your spiritual authority as a child of God. He is so much more powerful than anything else!"
    In the book she discusses the daily struggle of running the hostel. "One girl lived in the hostel for some time, became a Christian, then choked to death on her own vomit after a drinking bout. Her life had changed to some extent, but we wondered whether God knew that she hadn't the will to stick with it and was calling her home."
    One resident featured in the book, Mary, was in an abusive relationship. "We discovered further layers of the tangle when she admitted to previous lesbian relationships and to being on the receiving end of abuse from her family," Stroud writes, adding: "No wonder she was in such a mess!"
    The Conservatives have tried to win over gay voters after a string of controversial comments by party members. The shadow home secretary, Chris Grayling, said owners of B&B accommodation should have the right to turn away gay couples. Julian Lewis, the shadow defence minister, said he was against lowering the age of consent from 18 to 16 for homosexuals.
    Revelations about Stroud's past are likely to make the party's task even more difficult. "This reinforces our long-held suspicions that those out of sight, but with their hands on the levers of power, have deeply reactionary ambitions," said Keith Porteous Wood, executive director of the National Secular Society.
    Ben Summerskill, chief executive of the Stonewall group, said: "If Mrs Stroud has been praying to rid Britain of its homosexuality, she clearly hasn't been praying hard enough. It would be highly regrettable if someone who continued to hold these views held any significant office in government."


    ......What are the chances of this woman actually having a controlling factor in government and what would the outcome be?


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭fitz0


    How ironic that this woman should be the head of something called the Centre for Social Justice. What a bigotted little woman.

    Unfortunately, I can see her getting enough votes to be elected and have a say in a real government. Blair was bad enough with his faith schools, what will she do?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭Flamed Diving


    What a truly disgusting mindset...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    Truly disturbing stuff, she hasn't a grip on reality at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    That's pretty terrifying that she has any chance of being elected with views like that in the UK... :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭hiorta


    An example of crackpot theologians mixing with children.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭kiffer


    "God, He calls you home by choking you with HCL and alcohol..."

    That's really sad. Poor girl, dieing like that sounds awful. Well whatever helps you cope with the death of a young person in your charge...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,834 ✭✭✭stimpson


    How stupid can you be? Praying to god to cure gays.

    She should have a word with Iris Robinson - she knows a psychiatrist who can do it with science!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    A closet lesbian if ever there was one. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭checkyabadself


    I`m curious as to why Brown didn`t use this womans crazy policies of "curing" homosexuality to try and paint them as incompetant.

    Chris Grayling, said owners of B&B accommodation should have the right to turn away gay couples. Julian Lewis, the shadow defence minister, said he was against lowering the age of consent from 18 to 16 for homosexuals.


    ^^^^surely these people dont represent the views of a modern and diverse a country like the UK.

    Have we any homosexual "curing" churches in Ireland or any politician(s) who publically hold similar views to Phillipa Stroud?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,277 ✭✭✭mehfesto


    I`m curious as to why Brown didn`t use this womans crazy policies of "curing" homosexuality to try and paint them as incompetant.

    Chris Grayling, said owners of B&B accommodation should have the right to turn away gay couples. Julian Lewis, the shadow defence minister, said he was against lowering the age of consent from 18 to 16 for homosexuals.


    ^^^^surely these people dont represent the views of a modern and diverse a country like the UK.

    Have we any homosexual "curing" churches in Ireland or any politician(s) who publically hold similar views to Phillipa Stroud?

    Not really, on the last point, but Enda Kenny tol the Dcu College View paper last week that he "wasn't in favour of gay marriage, myself". Surprising that he said it in a college, but nothing really awful or horrible like herself!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,834 ✭✭✭stimpson


    mehfesto wrote: »
    Not really, on the last point, but Enda Kenny tol the Dcu College View paper last week that he "wasn't in favour of gay marriage, myself". Surprising that he said it in a college, but nothing really awful or horrible like herself!

    So he'd prefer to live in sin with his gay lover then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    I`m curious as to why Brown didn`t use this womans crazy policies of "curing" homosexuality to try and paint them as incompetant.

    Because then he would be accused of being bigoted against their religious beliefs. Politics are weird like that. You can say the most ignorant, ridiculous and down right stupid things, but no one can call you on it if it happens to be part of your religion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    Dades wrote: »
    A closet lesbian if ever there was one. :pac:

    The lady doth protest too much :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Y'know. Sometimes I wish I was gay. If only to annoy people like Philippa Stroud.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,130 ✭✭✭✭Karl Hungus


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Y'know. Sometimes I wish I was gay. If only to annoy people like Philippa Stroud.

    Maybe if you prayed really, really hard? :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker



    Have we any homosexual "curing" churches in Ireland or any politician(s) who publically hold similar views to Phillipa Stroud?

    Iris Robinson, another bigot along the lines of Stroud


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭TheStickyBandit


    Most politicians are retards anyway, take a look at our own government for instance. All our ministers are in roles different to what their profession was before they were elected.
    Back on topic, if all the politicians want to do is pray, why the **** are they not becoming members of the clergy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Y'know. Sometimes I wish I was gay. If only to annoy people like Philippa Stroud.
    Sure it's just a choice, why don't you just choose to be gay, you know, like you choose not to believe in god?

    MrP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    MrPudding wrote: »
    Sure it's just a choice, why don't you just choose to be gay, you know, like you choose not to believe in god?

    MrP



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Daftendirekt


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Y'know. Sometimes I wish I was gay. If only to annoy people like Philippa Stroud.

    You could always go to a straight camp, where they'll cure you of your sinful heterosexuality!

    Oh wait...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭fatmammycat




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    ^^ That dude definitely protested too much.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    Lol, funny how often that happens. :pac:


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    That Shakespeare chap was on the ball. :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,277 ✭✭✭mehfesto


    There's a small bit in today's Times that says she was totally misquoted.
    Obviously you take it with a pinch of salt coz cameron said it the day before election, but she herself said (not the actual quote - can't find paper):
    I make no aplogoies for being deeply religious, but I never said homosexuality was an illness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭fatmammycat


    "I make no apology for being a committed Christian. However, it is categorically untrue that I believe homosexuality to be an illness and I am deeply offended that The Observer has suggested otherwise. I have spent 20 years working with disturbed people who society have turned their back on and are not often supported by state agencies; drug addicts, alcoholics, the mentally ill and the homeless that I and my charitable friends in the public sector have tried to help over the years. The idea that I am prejudiced against gay people is both false and insulting."


    Is what she actually said.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    That quote tells us nothing. Although the words stop well short of any form of 'acceptance' it would seem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭kiffer


    of course she doesn't think it's a disease... You can't just choose to be cured of a disease... That would be silly... Clearly it's a crime against nature case of demonic possession...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    mehfesto wrote: »
    There's a small bit in today's Times that says she was totally misquoted.
    Obviously you take it with a pinch of salt coz cameron said it the day before election, but she herself said (not the actual quote - can't find paper):
    I make no aplogoies for being deeply religious, but I never said homosexuality was an illness.

    I can't see where in the article they suggest she said homosexuality was an illness?
    "She wanted me to know all my thinking was wrong, I was wrong and the so-called demons inside me were wrong. The session ended with her and others praying over me, calling out the demons. She really believed things like homosexuality, transsexualism and addiction could be fixed just by prayer, all in the name of Jesus."


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    I can't see where in the article they suggest she said homosexuality was an illness?
    Probably got inferred by the title of the article:

    "Tory star prayed to cure gay people"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    Dades wrote: »
    Probably got inferred by the title of the article:

    "Tory star prayed to cure gay people"

    I guess but we also say to cure in place of to correct - or remedying something detrimental to our lives...she seems to have taken a deliberately basic literal translation of the title and is trying to refute that rather than dealing with the contents of the article and the actual claims made within it.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    I can't see where in the article they suggest she said homosexuality was an illness?
    From her Wiki page, I'd imagine that's it's probably in her book God's Heart for the Poor.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    Stroud responded that it was "categorically untrue that I believe homosexuality to be an 'illness'", although she has yet to respond to the actual allegation of homosexuality as a form of 'demonic possession'

    :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,130 ✭✭✭✭Karl Hungus



    On that note...

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