Boards Golf Society

dub_cc

Anyone else interested in setting up new golf society.
Great way to get a handicap without having to join over priced clubs.
Minimal fees. Great deals at fantastic courses available all over Ireland. May-Oct perhaps?
Maybe have regional groups? Easy to organise. Simple software for handicap system.:D

carplates

im in, you could run it on a league

BigAl>>

Would be interested if the numbers are high enough:D Keep me posted on your plans

Sandwlch

dub_cc wrote: »

Great way to get a handicap without having to join over priced clubs.

Just to clarify though : it woudnt be a real handicap like a club one but would only be valid within the society?

fred funk }{

I'd be interested but I fear that this like other similar ideas will fail before it gets started.

dub_cc

To Clarify:

According to CONGU a handicap is a handicap whether you are part of a club or society. The most important factor is that your society is affiliated to your local official body GUI. All handicaps are handled through the CONGU system and is recognised by all participants.

" CONGU® handicaps are ONLY allocated to players who are members of clubs or organisations affiliated to a National Union/Association or CONGU® and authorised by CONGU® to utilise the Unified Handicapping System (UHS). Such clubs/organisations are obligated to administer the UHS in a tightly controlled and uniform way thus ensuring that the members golf handicaps are maintained with consistency and uniformity.

A CONGU® Golf Handicap is a unique guarantee that its possessor has a golf handicap that reflects his ability and has the standards expected of a recognised golf club, thus it provides a universally accepted passport to the pleasures that golf has to offer the world over! "
What would be the point of being in a society that isn't officially recognised?
Of course you can be part of a society and be a member of a club indeed your club handicap would reflect scoring at your own club and your society etc.....
You must complete three rounds with fellow members of a society or club and submit your signed cards for inspection. The same rules are applied as in any club situation.
I live in city centre so being part of a club doesn't really suit me. A society once a month thing is much more manageable.

dub_cc

fred funk }{ wrote: »

I'd be interested but I fear that this like other similar ideas will fail before it gets started.

Have there been others???

dub_cc

carplates wrote: »

im in, you could run it on a league

Good to hear. Tell your friends.

slumped

AFAIK, the GUI does not allow societies to issue official handicaps.

I started a society in work a few years ago (2004) and to this day we can only allocate handicaps for use within the society.

S

dub_cc

slumped wrote: »

AFAIK, the GUI does not allow societies to issue official handicaps.

I started a society in work a few years ago (2004) and to this day we can only allocate handicaps for use within the society.

S

You're suggesting GUI are in breach of the UHS rules set out by CONGU. I will look into this straight away.

PhilipMarlowe

In breach of what exactly?
http://www.gui.ie/template1.asp?parent=15&parent2=58&pid=58&area=2

Societies can be registered with the GUI but this doesn't mean they can necessarily administer or influence a players official handicap.

slumped

dub_cc wrote: »

You're suggesting GUI are in breach of the UHS rules set out by CONGU. I will look into this straight away.

Let me know how you get on: http://www.gui.ie/frm_Contact.asp?area=1

barrackali

Keep me posted, would be interested in some regular golf.

ziggy

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dub_cc

Licksy wrote: »

In breach of what exactly?
http://www.gui.ie/template1.asp?parent=15&parent2=58&pid=58&area=2

Societies can be registered with the GUI but this doesn't mean they can necessarily administer or influence a players official handicap.

Never mentioned anything about administering or influencing official handicaps?

Thanks for the link I was actually reading it as your thread arrived.
My main point is that you can have a handicap within a society. Even if it is only recognised by your society. You do not have to be part of a club. CONGU confirms that. Most society golfers are irregular and infrequent players. I never mentioned anything about official handicaps in relation to playing Open tournaments or the like. My focus is on people who like to play and simply require a handicap that reflects their ability and their budget.

"CONGU® handicaps are ONLY allocated to players who are members of clubs or organisations affiliated to a National Union/Association or CONGU® and authorised by CONGU® to utilise the Unified Handicapping System (UHS). Such clubs/organisations are obligated to administer the UHS in a tightly controlled and uniform way thus ensuring that the members golf handicaps are maintained with consistency and uniformity"

dub_cc

barrackali wrote: »

Keep me posted, would be interested in some regular golf.

Will do.. We only need 15 members @ €3.00 each to get things going.

PhilipMarlowe

Anyway, there is an informal sort of thing on here where occasionally boardsies will get together... see the scratch cup sticky, the arrange a game sticky, once off events like the European Club this spring, Boards Matchplay (thnx to Hobart) last year etc.
More 'organised' attempts have been/are/will be? doomed in my little opinion. You can see from the list on the GUI site the vast number of societies that are already out there and these tend to have obvious work/locality links to their members.

dub_cc

Licksy wrote: »

Anyway, there is an informal sort of thing on here where occasionally boardsies will get together... see the scratch cup sticky, the arrange a game sticky, once off events like the European Club this spring, Boards Matchplay (thnx to Hobart) last year etc.
More 'organised' attempts have been/are/will be? doomed in my little opinion. You can see from the list on the GUI site the vast number of societies that are already out there and these tend to have obvious work/locality links to their members.

Yeah thats a really good point however negative you're own personal experience/feeling!!! Perhaps a more outreaching approach is needed.
Maybe linking with just this website needs more thought. Having a diverse group that has some sort of common thread apart from boards.ie might be the way to go...

slumped

dub_cc wrote: »

Yeah thats a really good point however negative you're own personal experience/feeling!!!

I agree with Licksy. Has been tried and tested, with varying degrees of success.

Tough thing to do at the moment given that people are reeling in their social spends.

Best of luck with it, but not too many people will hand over money to someone with just a handful of posts and no previous history of posting in this forum.

S

dub_cc

slumped wrote: »

I agree with Licksy. Has been tried and tested, with varying degrees of success.

Tough thing to do at the moment given that people are reeling in their social spends.

Best of luck with it, but not too many people will hand over money to someone with just a handful of posts and no previous history of posting in this forum.

S

LETS BE VERY CLEAR
I have asked nobody to "hand over" any money. Nor would I take it upon myself to organise same. My first thread was an open question to anyone who would like to get involved. Personally I dont regard €3.00 as causing too much hardship on any pocket (fifteen people being minimum required - €45.00 - annual sub to GUI). Obviously there are ongoing expensives.
Going back to my first thread. Clubs are much more expensive to join and much more of a hit on any "social spends". Most have entrance and annual fees that can be a lot more taxing on the yearly budget than being a member of a society.
Costs are relevant though. For myself I would want to keep them as low as possible.

slumped

dub_cc wrote: »

LETS BE VERY CLEAR
Clubs are much more expensive to join and much more of a hit on any "social spends". Most have entrance and annual fees that are much more taxing on the yearly budget than being a member of a society.
Costs are relevant though. For myself I would want to keep them as low as possible.

Yes, but let's not forget the advantages of being a club member:

1. Official Handicap
2. Wide range of people to play with
3. Social Interaction on a daily basis
4. Inter Club Competitions
5. Club Matchplays
6. Services at clubs, such as professional etc.
7. Golf 7 days a week.

Societies offer a limited number of advantages and generally speaking they don't offer as much as clubs.

You can join clubs in Dublin for as little as €500 (Citywest) or €390 (Hollystown). Based on 30 rounds of golf per year, Citywest works out at less than €17 per round, plus the advantages listed abouve.

dub_cc

slumped wrote: »

Yes, but let's not forget the advantages of being a club member:

1. Official Handicap - same with Society just not for Open competitions
2. Wide range of people to play with - Same with society the more that get involved
3. Social Interaction on a daily basis - Maybe not to everyones preference
4. Inter Club Competitions - Not essential to irregular players, annual societies competitions available
5. Club Matchplays - same as
6. Services at clubs, such as professional etc. - Lessons available at any Driving range with excellent tuitions (Elmgreen)
7. Golf 7 days a week. - I wish - hopefully when i retire

Societies offer a limited number of advantages and generally speaking they don't offer as much as clubs.

You can join clubs in Dublin for as little as €500 (Citywest) or €390 (Hollystown). Based on 30 rounds of golf per year, Citywest works out at less than €17 per round, plus the advantages listed abouve.

Thanks for making my point for me.... For those who wish to fork out so much money or who would have
so much free time on their hands. 30 days golf a year? Lucky u...

slumped

dub_cc wrote: »

Thanks for making my point for me....

What are you on?

I pointed out that clubs represent better value than societies and you think I'm backing you?

Not a hope!

Are you for real? Seriously?

IITYWYBMAD

Yawn....I think ye two should get a room. There are advantages and disadvantages to both club golf and society golf. I do both, but I'm lucky in that I can afford both. I don't think this thread was setup to discuss the merits of either, but at the same time I don't think that a boards.ie society will work, as it's been tried numerous times before, and fallen flat on it's face. As Licksy said earlier, the Matchplay worked well last year, maybe somebody else should give that a go?

dub_cc

slumped wrote: »

What are you on?

I pointed out that clubs represent better value than societies and you think I'm backing you?

Not a hope!

Are you for real? Seriously?

:mad: I dont agree with you or think you're backing me, as if!
In fairnessyou have yet to make any credible arguement that shows or proves that clubs are easier financially to be part of or represent better value at all.
Yeah I am real. Some of us dont get to play as much as you think is normal golfing. Hence the reason to set up a society in the first place. Have you even taken any of my points on board. And before you ask I do not have any problem with clubs. Your bleatings have shown your allegiance quite clearly.
Best of luck to you at your club.

dub_cc

IITYWYBMAD wrote: »

Yawn....I think ye two should get a room. There are advantages and disadvantages to both club golf and society golf. I do both, but I'm lucky in that I can afford both. I don't think this thread was setup to discuss the merits of either, but at the same time I don't think that a boards.ie society will work, as it's been tried numerous times before, and fallen flat on it's face. As Licksy said earlier, the Matchplay worked well last year, maybe somebody else should give that a go?

Here here!!! Deffo not here to get into slaggin match about either.
Thanks for your opinion. Indeed if a matchplay event worked well last year. maybe thats the place to start.

SoupyNorman

Hey OP, I certainly see the logic behind your enthusiasm in regards to setting up a society here however having first hand experience of running one for a year I would be pretty confident that one set up here would probably fail. Societies are notoriously difficult to run, maintain, organize. You've got tee-times to book, prizes to organize and most difficult people to find and chase. People will let you down ultimately and you will take it personally because you'll have put so much effort in.

When I was running the college golf society I have 25 confirmed two days before one outing and I had organized a bus, 6 showed! funny thing was the green fees were subsidized by the college so it was €9 to play a championship course. That was a personal experience but I see it on a regular basis in other societies. Compounded on Boards by the fact you dont know anyone, so it's effortless for me to promise you I'll show up and when I'm a no show, what me worry.

I reckon your best bet is to use the 'Arrange a game' thread.

BigAl>>

SoupyNorman wrote: »

I reckon your best bet is to use the 'Arrange a game' thread.

Think this might be a good way to start the ball rolling:D. Why not just "arrange a game" and see wht kind of responce you get and take it from there.

Speak Now

New Societies can take a while to settle down. Nothing worse than a guy without a GUI handicap coming in with 45 pts of an inflated handicap.

BigAl>>

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

New Societies can take a while to settle down. Nothing worse than a guy without a GUI handicap coming in with 45 pts of an inflated handicap.

Fair point! But after 3 cards each person has their society HC. Untill then those tht have a gui hc can play of it and those tht dnt play of 18. From wht I seen in the past most who play off sub 18 hc tend to have a gui hc and those tht dnt have a gui hc tend to play off alot more than 18 and therefoe by putting them out on provisional 18 untill they turn in 3 cards wont matter a great deal either.

Daithio9

BigAl>> wrote: »

Fair point! But after 3 cards each person has their society HC. Untill then those tht have a gui hc can play of it and those tht dnt play of 18. From wht I seen in the past most who play off sub 18 hc tend to have a gui hc and those tht dnt have a gui hc tend to play off alot more than 18 and therefoe by putting them out on provisional 18 untill they turn in 3 cards wont matter a great deal either.

Jesus that post hurts my eyes, have you ever heard of spell check?.

paulanthony

Is there such a thing as a society made up only of golfers who have gui handicaps?

Just regular golfers who are interested in playing other courses every month or two, bit of food, day out, with a good deal that societies can get.

Would probably be a better way of organising a boards one where all the person in charge has to do is ring and ask for prices from clubs.

If worried about people not turning up just make it so you have to ring the club direct to reserve place after the organiser provisionally reserves a dozen slots and secure it with credit/debit card.

Obni

paulanthony wrote: »

If worried about people not turning up just make it so you have to ring the club direct to reserve place after the organiser provisionally reserves a dozen slots and secure it with credit/debit card.

If you just cherry-pick some nice GUI Open competitions (say Concra Wood Wed. 26th May €30) then you can nominate several tee-times (say 14:00 to 14:50) and tell people to book their own individual slot from that group.

Seve OB

Haha, just found this thread.... such Cynicism!

Well done to the guys who actually made it work in the end, you deserve to be knighted if this thread was anything to go by!

charlieIRL

I remember reading that thread, was painful!!