Fás gone WPP mad!

ha-ya-said-what

Now has anyone else noticed how the Fás website in the job section is all WPP??

Now general defination of Job: A regular activity performed in exchange for payment, especially as one's trade, occupation, or profession.

I wouldn't exactly call it "Find a job" in that case! The employers are looking for fully qualified people with years experience & then saying it's for a 6-12mth contract with no wages or salary it's an experience gaining opportunity on the WPP.

Now am I the only want finds that all ridiculous??

Dartz

It's a seller's market.

Amhran Nua

Dartz wrote: »

It's a seller's market.

Doesn't mean the likes of supermarkets or fast food outlets are allowed to abuse the WPP to get workers paid for by the taxpayer. And they have, and will. The programme will be dropped entirely if this keeps up.

Dave!

I noticed this too actually

Dartz

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Doesn't mean the likes of supermarkets or fast food outlets are allowed to abuse the WPP to get workers paid for by the taxpayer. And they have, and will. The programme will be dropped entirely if this keeps up.

Never said it was a good thing.

ha-ya-said-what

It's a joke, average daily amount of jobs on the Fás site used to be around 200 in the past while. Since employers started copping on to the WPP scheme that number has been rising, today it jumped to over 600 I'd say 80% of them WPP or the rest would be CE Scheme, no probs with the CE scheme but the WPP is getting out of hand it's just been taken advantage of to the highest level.

x in the city

FAS jobs are shoite, Id be surprised if anyone has ever got a decent job of the place.

unless tossing burgers or earning **** money for doing mundane tasks count

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

x in the city wrote: »

FAS jobs are shoite, Id be surprised if anyone has ever got a decent job of the place.

unless tossing burgers or earning **** money for doing mundane tasks count

Nice holier than thou post there. Guess you haven't a clue what you're talking about... Well, it's pretty obvious you don't. There are some great jobs to be got through FAS. I have yet to see McDonalds or the likes advertise there.



OP, the WPP scheme is a great idea, but it's abused by many scumbags, out to line their pockets at the expense of the unfortunate. Fcuk them I say, but at the same time if this scheme helps you to secure a job then it's good for you, I know you have to work for free for 6 months, but it's better than nothing. Some of the jobs are really good, some are really shíte.

I applied for a few of these jobs but never heard anything back. At the very least, they should provide you with travel expenses.

Mr. Incognito

I know you have to work for free for 6 months, but it's better than nothing

No it's not.

That's the point.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

No it's not.

That's the point.

Well, when you are in my position, yes... yes it is better than nothing.

What do you gain from nothing? Nothing.

What do you gain from 6 months free work? Experience.

However you look at it, it's better than nothing.

Mr. Incognito

that's backward thinking.

Prospective employer:

"I see you have experience here in a crap job, what did they pay you?"

Ah, nothing......

I see.

Another sucker born every minute.

If you don't value your time no one else will

x in the city

Frankie Slow User wrote: »

Nice holier than thou post there. Guess you haven't a clue what you're talking about... Well, it's pretty obvious you don't. There are some great jobs to be got through FAS. I have yet to see McDonalds or the likes advertise there.



OP, the WPP scheme is a great idea, but it's abused by many scumbags, out to line their pockets at the expense of the unfortunate. Fcuk them I say, but at the same time if this scheme helps you to secure a job then it's good for you, I know you have to work for free for 6 months, but it's better than nothing. Some of the jobs are really good, some are really shíte.

I applied for a few of these jobs but never heard anything back. At the very least, they should provide you with travel expenses.

I have seen jobs requiring chinese mandarin (amongst others) for some tech role, paying pretty shoite salary.

the good jobs are few and far between, if they exist at all.

has anyone here got a decent job on fas, or does anyone know anyone who got a decent proper job on that site

ha-ya-said-what

How is it experience & worthwhile tho when they want fully qualified people with 2-4 years experience.

If they were willing to take on people with little or no experience to give them the chance & have something to improve a CV with & give them a better chance of getting a job, by all means it would be better than nothing then. But that's not the case, it's just pure explottation of the WPP scheme that's going on at the moment.

x in the city

Frankie Slow User wrote: »

Nice holier than thou post there. Guess you haven't a clue what you're talking about... Well, it's pretty obvious you don't. There are some great jobs to be got through FAS. I have yet to see McDonalds or the likes advertise there.



OP, the WPP scheme is a great idea, but it's abused by many scumbags, out to line their pockets at the expense of the unfortunate. Fcuk them I say, but at the same time if this scheme helps you to secure a job then it's good for you, I know you have to work for free for 6 months, but it's better than nothing. Some of the jobs are really good, some are really shíte.

I applied for a few of these jobs but never heard anything back. At the very least, they should provide you with travel expenses.

contradicting yourself there a bit no...

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

that's backward thinking.

Prospective employer:

"I see you have experience here in a crap job, what did they pay you?"

Ah, nothing......

I see.

Another sucker born every minute.

If you don't value your time no one else will

That's definately backwards thinking.

Prospective employer:

"Ah what did you do for the past year while unemployed, oh you sat on your hole and were not bothered to do anything?"

When you are looking for work, for a long time, these schemes are a very good thing. To only see negativity in them is silly.

To say there are only crap jobs in them, is also very silly. Some of these jobs have the prospect of you getting a contract if you are good. Many people that are unemployed are excellent workers, but they simply cannot show it.

Being unemployed, you have to be positive otherwise you sink into a depression and that's fcuking hard to get out of. You're type of thinking is not right, nor is your attitude for somebody who wants to succeed.

Sure there are scammers, but people have to ask themselves, "what's in this for me". Experience is good enough for me at the moment.

Mr. Incognito

well best of luck with it.

If I found myself out of work I wouldn't be working for free. I'd emigrate before I allowed myself to be exploited

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

x in the city wrote: »

I have seen jobs requiring chinese mandarin (amongst others) for some tech role, paying pretty shoite salary.

the good jobs are few and far between, if they exist at all.

has anyone here got a decent job on fas, or does anyone know anyone who got a decent proper job on that site

When you are in a position to pick and chose your line of work and pay then you can talk, but in this climate, any job is a good job, for many people, pay doesn't even matter. It's going to be more than social welfare in most cases.

ha-ya-said-what wrote: »

How is it experience & worthwhile tho when they want fully qualified people with 2-4 years experience.

If they were willing to take on people with little or no experience to give them the chance & have something to improve a CV with & give them a better chance of getting a job, by all means it would be better than nothing then. But that's not the case, it's just pure explottation of the WPP scheme that's going on at the moment.

6 months experience and the ability to get off your hole is a lot better than no experience, no? Not every job on the WPP scheme is expoitation.

x in the city wrote: »

contradicting yourself there a bit no...

I don't think so.

Just because I didn't hear back from them doesn't mean it's a crap scheme. I understand that there is possibly a huge demand for these schemes. The ones I am applying for anyway

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

well best of luck with it.

If I found myself out of work I wouldn't be working for free. I'd emigrate before I allowed myself to be exploited

I would gladly let you fund my travels. There's a reason why I ain't abroad working. Not everybody has the luxery of moving off.

Since you are not unemployed, it's difficult for you to understand the scenario most people find themselves in. If you lose your job, and are unemployed for a few months, years, I think you're attitude would change significantly.

x in the city

Frankie Slow User wrote: »

When you are in a position to pick and chose your line of work and pay then you can talk, but in this climate, any job is a good job, for many people, pay doesn't even matter. It's going to be more than social welfare in most cases.




6 months experience and the ability to get off your hole is a lot better than no experience, no? Not every job on the WPP scheme is expoitation.



I don't think so.

Just because I didn't hear back from them doesn't mean it's a crap scheme. I understand that there is possibly a huge demand for these schemes. The ones I am applying for anyway

you are not alone, id say 80% of people dont hear back from job applicants lately.

im not interested in working in Ireland no more

ha-ya-said-what

x in the city wrote: »

I have seen jobs requiring chinese mandarin (amongst others) for some tech role, paying pretty shoite salary.

the good jobs are few and far between, if they exist at all.

has anyone here got a decent job on fas, or does anyone know anyone who got a decent proper job on that site

Yes I got a decent job on Fás years ago, with a great wage, better than that offered buy other companies advertising with more expensive & well known advertisng & recruitment companies at the time & there was optional over-time if ever I wanted a bit more wages.

The issue with Fás at the mo is employers taking advantage of the WPP scheme, offering no chance of a job, just 6-12mth contract, shove them out the door at the end of it & off down to Fás and get another freebie worker.

Shoite wages you keep saying, law is min wage regardless, if your unemployed with mortgage & bills to pay it's a hell of a lot more of an income in the week than what their gonna get from the welfare if they were even lucky enough to get anything. The quailty & wages of the positions is irrelevant.

DonkeyStyle \o/

Frankie Slow User wrote: »

What do you gain from 6 months free work? Experience.

Or to look at it from another angle, what do you lose from working 6 months for free? Time and energy that, if you have the motivation or self-discipline, can be used to upskill or otherwise improve your employability in ways other than work experience.

Working for free for 6 months in a menial job may well be better than nothing, but why is 'nothing' or 'sitting on your hole' the only alternative?
Are people so institutionalized and imagination-deficient that they can't see any other way?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

DonkeyStyle \o/ wrote: »

Or to look at it from another angle, what do you lose from working 6 months for free? Time and energy that, if you have the motivation or self-discipline, can be used to upskill or otherwise improve your employability in ways other than work experience.

Working for free for 6 months in a menial job may well be better than nothing, but why is 'nothing' or 'sitting on your hole' the only alternative?
Are people so institutionalized and imagination-deficient that they can't see any other way?

Oh ho ho, don't lecture me about imagination, I fcuking tried about all I can. I have one idea left that will make or break me I think, I have yet to decide if I want to go through with that though.

Menial job, why the fcuk are people so judgemental? So much negativity. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. If you are on social welfare you are doomed, scorned by those who deem themselves better, based on the fact they hold a job.

You can't just give a guy a break, you think positively and try get yourself out of a hole and you get knocked down again. I chose a way to try and get work and I get stomped on.

I have been to college, I got a qualification, what I lack is experience, what I need is experience, what I don't need is another qualification to add to the several I already have. That obviously isn't helping much.

Who said it was the only alternative? You know I was refused a college course in 2009 based on the fact that I already have a level 8 degree. So instead of me going to college for a year, I ended up with nothing. Of course, they didn't tell me this until I was 2 weeks into my course. You think it's that easy to secure training or upskilling? The limit for a course is 950, once off payment from FAS, that amount wouldn't cover a whole lot, and there is no point doing a course for the point of doing a course. The online training is ok for now, I am doing a course that way.

It seems that many people are sitting so high up on that high horse they forget where they came from.