Small-diaphragm Condensers - what're ye having?

Savman

I'm in the market for a pair of SDC's to replace the AKG C1000's which I didn't fall in love with. I need a jack of all trades for drum overheads, speeches, choir and whatever else.

Looking at:
NT5
e914
e614
or similar

Anyone want to recommend something?

jtsuited

I've a/b'd the NT5's against km184's and they weren't that much off (as drum overheads coincidentally). Great mics for the price.

Aridstarling

+1 on the NT5s, have a pair and love them. Great on drum OHs and they really shine on acoustic guitar. I use them as a stereo pair in the room at live gigs and such as well, very useful in that situation.

Savman

Thanks, I've heard only good things about the NT5's and seems like the price is right too

jtsuited

at under 300 euro a pair, it's a no brainer imo.

Strings.ie

Another vote for NT5. Great overheads and nice on Acoustic instruments too - great for stereo recording.

Obi-Jim

I've a set of e614's.

Tried them out on acoustic guitar and drum overheads and a few other bits and bobs to try to find a use for them, wasn't terribly impressed.

Hi hats and ride, i've had success, to a degree.

(by the sounds of things, i'd be going for the NT5)

artvandulet

If you are on a budget a set of SE sE1a's give a lot of bang for your buck.

Savman

I'm swaying towards the NT5's as they seem to be the popular choice...also means I shouldn't have any bother flogging them when I get the inevitable Neumann itch in 12 months time

Will give the SE's some thought too tho.

trackmixstudio

I'm using atm450s and love them.
http://eu.audio-technica.com/en/products/product.asp?catID=1&subID=2&prodID=1388

madtheory

jtsuited wrote: »

I've a/b'd the NT5's against km184's and they weren't that much off (as drum overheads coincidentally). Great mics for the price.

I haven't done that, but I have done it with acoustic guitar and distant miking ensembles. IMO the KM184s are a long way from NT5. I am not a fan of the Rode hi end boost thing (which is why I haven't tried them near cymbals).

Any of those Sennheisers are a better mic than the Rodes IMO. As are the SEs mentioned above, those are great on acoustic. I haven't heard those ATs, but personally I am a big fan of most of their other mics.

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oktava mk12

jtsuited

madtheory wrote: »

I haven't done that, but I have done it with acoustic guitar and distant miking ensembles. IMO the KM184s are a long way from NT5. I am not a fan of the Rode hi end boost thing (which is why I haven't tried them near cymbals).

for distant miking i don't think anything comes close to the 184's in fairness. Tis my stereo bar mic of choice for dodgy orchestras and choirs. I figure for overhead use the rodes are easily up to the job.

Oh btw, we did have to do a bit of eqing on the top end of the rodes though. But once we got that right it was shweet.

Savman

trackmixstudio wrote: »

I'm using atm450s and love them.
http://eu.audio-technica.com/en/products/product.asp?catID=1&subID=2&prodID=1388

Hmm interesting...was only scoping this out last night in fact, all the yanks seem to love this.

I did see the freq response chart of the Rodes and noticed there's a bump up somewhere around 10k but, like everything in sound, I suppose it's purely subjective whether this is a good thing.

I'd need something semi-durable for choirs when those little bastards wonderful children start fiddling with the mics, so big shock mounts and adapters are a big no no.

madtheory

jtsuited wrote: »

for distant miking i don't think anything comes close to the 184's in fairness.

Try Gefell M300 sometime. Better than a 184, IMHO.

Echoplex

MBHO K200 capsule with 603 or 648 preamp.
DD

madtheory

Where does one get those for a good price, in Europe?

Echoplex

They are a strange little company. They supply capsules to other companies, while making identical, or maybe better mics themselves.
They have had various names, Haun MB MBQuart MBHO. Hardly a recipe for fame or commercial success.
They used to have a distributer in the UK, seemingly gone now. I would contact them directly, see if they will sell, or if they prefer you to use one of their current distributers. Probably sixpac.de

DD

madtheory

That explains why there's not many of them around. Never used them, but I've heard the results on the multitrack (you know the rig DD) and they seem very nice. More "Gefell like" than "Neumann like" I thought. Which makes no sense whatsoever

MilanPan!c

Echoplex wrote: »

They are a strange little company. They supply capsules to other companies, while making identical, or maybe better mics themselves.
They have had various names, Haun MB MBQuart MBHO. Hardly a recipe for fame or commercial success.
They used to have a distributer in the UK, seemingly gone now. I would contact them directly, see if they will sell, or if they prefer you to use one of their current distributers. Probably sixpac.de

DD

So I just went to sixpac.de and....

well, if those guys sell mics I certainly didn't see a link.

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On the other hand:

http://www.mbho.de/t3.htm

madtheory

That is not new information, see here:

Echoplex wrote: »

I would contact them directly, see if they will sell, or if they prefer you to use one of their current distributers. Probably sixpac.de

DD

MilanPan!c

madtheory wrote: »

That is not new information, see here:

Did you even go to the link you provided?



maybe you should?

madtheory

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Did you even go to the link you provided?

You seem confused. I didn't provide any link? Do you know what "probably" means?

MilanPan!c

madtheory wrote: »

You seem confused. I didn't provide any link? Do you know what "probably" means?

Confused you with your friend echoplex.

Go to the link HE provided and see if PROBABLY is a reasonable word to use.

Sixpac.de in case you can't find it.

Echoplex

As it turns out, probably was exactly the right word.
You could try this one instead
http://www.sixpac-asvc.de/en/products.htm
It may not work either. As I said this company is pretty strange in terms of PR etc. My earlier recommendation was to contact MBHO directly. I am trying to be helpful here, these mics are a relatively unknown totally bona fide German hand made product. I am a bit puzzled by this reaction. The use of capitals in fora is generally considered as shouting.
What's up Milan? Someone been sleeping in your porridge?

DD

MilanPan!c

Echoplex wrote: »

As it turns out, probably was exactly the right word.
You could try this one instead
http://www.sixpac-asvc.de/en/products.htm
It may not work either. As I said this company is pretty strange in terms of PR etc. My earlier recommendation was to contact MBHO directly. I am trying to be helpful here, these mics are a relatively unknown totally bona fide German hand made product. I am a bit puzzled by this reaction. The use of capitals in fora is generally considered as shouting.
What's up Milan? Someone been sleeping in your porridge?

DD

This is sixpac.de



Cause SixPac.de is the website for "Die Partyband für jeden Anlass"



It's all good to say yeah go to sixpac.de and by that I meant sixpac.asvc.de, but don't expect us to be mind readers. Or tell us that it's reasonable to assume that the website for "Die Partyband für jeden Anlass" sells mics.

Echoplex

Milan, the probably was meant to cast doubt over the exact name or URL, i.e. try something like.....
I knew I had seen the word sixpac, spelt in that way. I was offering it as a useful Googling term. Turns out it was.
Again, why the strange reaction? 'Thanks for the tip' is a frequent response.
DD

MilanPan!c

Echoplex wrote: »

Milan, the probably was meant to cast doubt over the exact name or URL, i.e. try something like.....
I knew I had seen the word sixpac, spelt in that way. I was offering it as a useful Googling term. Turns out it was.
Again, why the strange reaction? 'Thanks for the tip' is a frequent response.
DD

Look at my initial response.. See my little wink emoticon? It's only after you repeatedly asserted that there was nothing wrong with sending people to a specific, and wrong, URL that I responded like that.

As far as typical goes, people typically either say, "go to Sixpac, google it" or go to a specific URL.

People don't say go to theirishtimes.com and by that I mean google the Irish times, I think it's .com.

I really had never heard of the sight, which is why I playfully queried it, but after I was repeatedly told te original suggestion was correct... What else can I do?

Next time either say google or put the accurate URL up.

I don't speak german (or whatever) an spent a few minutes clicking around the specific URL given looking for what I was told would be there.

Echoplex

Google MBHO and sixpac. 'Probably' followed by a suggested URL is not exactly specific. For communication to work, some reading skill is required.
I will of course not accept such trite correction or direction on how I should write.
As I said, ' thanks for the tip' would be a mannerly response.
A curiously absent phenomenon here.
For other readers, please ignore the fog, the info is good. MBHO have superb products, well worth supporting.
DD

PaulBrewer

Small-diaphragm Egos - what're ye having?

artvandulet

Echoplex wrote: »

...or if they prefer you to use one of their current distributers. Probably sixpac.de

I should really stay out of this but...

To me, the above reads like this:

You could try one of their current distributors such as sixpac.de.

It does not read like this:

You could try one of their current distributors, I don't know the exact url but its something like sixpac.de

I'll shut up now.

madtheory

"Probably" has many meanings. "Definitely" is not one of its synonyms.

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Look at my initial response.. See my little wink emoticon? It's only after you repeatedly asserted that there was nothing wrong with...

??? It's the bank holiday weekend, have a beer on me!

Echoplex

Hi Paul, Champagne is always welcome. Maybe you should take up distribution for MBHO? They are seriously lacking in that dept. The products are right up there with Gefell and Neumann IMHO. Actually IMO heh heh
DD