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Ryanair pulling out pf Prague*Moderator Warning post 28

  • 28-04-2010 08:55PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,283 ✭✭✭✭


    Michael O'Leary's probably scouting round the Czech Republic for a big field, c/w runway/lights/control-tower/hangar/terminal. His bluff was called.


    http://www.radio.cz/en/news/127360
    Ryanair is to discontinue flights to and from Prague later this year. A spokesperson for Europe’s biggest budget airline said it was pulling out of the city’s Ruzyně airport because its charges were too high. Routes to Birmingham and Hahn near Frankfurt will come to an end in July, while routes to Dublin and Stockholm will cease in October. Ryanair had put forward a proposal to increase its number of destinations from Prague to 33, if the airport reduced its charges considerably. The airport’s management refused, saying the same conditions applied to all airlines.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Lifelike


    First Manchester, then Shannon, now Prague. What airport will be next, I wonder?

    Hopefully Aer Lingus will pile on extra services to make up for this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,836 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    Lifelike wrote: »
    First Manchester, then Shannon, now Prague. What airport will be next, I wonder?

    Hopefully Aer Lingus will pile on extra services to make up for this.


    or do a ryanair and put the prices up:rolleyes: does Chech airlines not cover that route anymore


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Lifelike


    or do a ryanair and put the prices up:rolleyes: does Chech airlines not cover that route anymore

    they do actually cover that route forgot about them :o their prices aren't bad either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,780 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    The airport’s management refused, saying the same conditions applied to all airlines.


    interesting that airports seem to be refusing ro do sweet deals for ryanair any more, enough carriers fighting for slots ?

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,283 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    or do a ryanair and put the prices up:rolleyes: does Chech airlines not cover that route anymore

    Czech Airlines used to have regular flights on the Dublin/Prague and Cork/Prague routes, but over the last three years, they've been trying to cut their losses, first by pulling out of Cork, then reducing the Dublin/Prague flights to one each week. There are more regular Aer Lingus flights, but they're not exactly cheap.

    Aer Lingus handled the Cork/Prague route for the year after Czech Airlines gave it up, and now Dublin is the only option.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Lifelike


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    Czech Airlines used to have regular flights on the Dublin/Prague and Cork/Prague routes, but over the last three years, they've been trying to cut their losses, first by pulling out of Cork, then reducing the Dublin/Prague flights to one each week. There are more regular Aer Lingus flights, but they're not exactly cheap.

    Aer Lingus handled the Cork/Prague route for the year after Czech Airlines gave it up, and now Dublin is the only option.

    Czech Airlines have increased the frequency to twice weekly. Last Summer they announced that they were pulling out of Dublin altogether, but in January they announced that flights were to resume in May.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25 Shanair


    Great to see airports standing up to Ryanair blackmail- while we all appreciate the low fares the damage done to business in an area when they force other carriers out of airports is immense especially when at a whim Ryanair then drop routes people have come to rely on. Other carriers are then afraid to re-introduce services as there is always the threat Ryanair will return and run them off the route again. While tourists benefit greatly from really cheap fares what developing businesses need, especially in these times, is stable route connections.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Lifelike


    Shanair wrote: »
    Great to see airports standing up to Ryanair blackmail- while we all appreciate the low fares the damage done to business in an area when they force other carriers out of airports is immense especially when at a whim Ryanair then drop routes people have come to rely on. Other carriers are then afraid to re-introduce services as there is always the threat Ryanair will return and run them off the route again. While tourists benefit greatly from really cheap fares what developing businesses need, especially in these times, is stable route connections.

    Agree. Ryanair are very unpredictable with their routes. They come and go to suit themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 230 ✭✭CantThinkOfANam


    Christ they keep pulling out of the decent airports with an ILS on both ends and CATIII, why dont they pull out of the likes of Carcassonne!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 N2


    Christ they keep pulling out of the decent airports with an ILS on both ends and CATIII, why dont they pull out of the likes of Carcassonne!!

    I still get nightmares about Carcassonne!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭RoadKillTs


    I'd be surprised if they pull out of Prague. Would be a bad move imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,364 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    Christ they keep pulling out of the decent airports with an ILS on both ends and CATIII, why dont they pull out of the likes of Carcassonne!!

    That is probably quite a profitable route, as the only alternative from Ireland to the region is EI to TLS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    Shanair wrote: »
    Great to see airports standing up to Ryanair blackmail- while we all appreciate the low fares the damage done to business in an area when they force other carriers out of airports is immense especially when at a whim Ryanair then drop routes people have come to rely on. Other carriers are then afraid to re-introduce services as there is always the threat Ryanair will return and run them off the route again. While tourists benefit greatly from really cheap fares what developing businesses need, especially in these times, is stable route connections.

    is it? its all about competition and business is business. if airports are too greedy, then its there loss. ryanair will still make money elsewhere.

    as long as the flights are cheap, i dont care.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,364 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    is it? its all about competition and business is business. if airports are too greedy, then its there loss. ryanair will still make money elsewhere.

    as long as the flights are cheap, i dont care.

    Is that the sum total of your analysis? Surely you have some preference over where you actually fly to? Maybe this article will help to explain what is happening:

    http://tinyurl.com/2dougoj


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    is it? its all about competition and business is business. if airports are too greedy, then its there loss. ryanair will still make money elsewhere.

    as long as the flights are cheap, i dont care.


    Is it? Half the airports Ryanair fly to there is no competition.

    Take Shannon for example, the airport wanted to charge Ryanair a nominal fee per passenger, not more than a fiver. Very greedy alright :rolleyes: Airports have to be commercially viable at the end of the day, and letting Ryanair fly in for free is not instrumental in achieving this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,298 ✭✭✭freyners


    Is it? Half the airports Ryanair fly to there is no competition.

    Take Shannon for example, the airport wanted to charge Ryanair a nominal fee per passenger, not more than a fiver. Very greedy alright :rolleyes: Airports have to be commercially viable at the end of the day, and letting Ryanair fly in for free is not instrumental in achieving this

    sorry if im wrong about this but didnt prestwick airport basically let them do such a thing????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    freyners wrote: »
    sorry if im wrong about this but didnt prestwick airport basically let them do such a thing????

    AFAIK they did, just to stop them from leaving. I think they've reduced flights there now anyway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    Is it? Half the airports Ryanair fly to there is no competition.

    Take Shannon for example, the airport wanted to charge Ryanair a nominal fee per passenger, not more than a fiver. Very greedy alright :rolleyes: Airports have to be commercially viable at the end of the day, and letting Ryanair fly in for free is not instrumental in achieving this

    surely its in shannons best interest to keep Ryanair happy? <SNIP> but allowing them in would add to revenue of the airport while they are in the airport. giving the huge inflated prices of stuff in airports, im sure they would be making that 5er anyway and more.

    if i was shannon, i would rather having those passengers spending money while in the airport rather than flying from knock and kerry instead.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    I nearly fainted when I saw this. Recently booked flights home for the summer. Luckily they are not pulling out until October. That said I had planned to fly with them at Xmas, and not make the mistake I made last year and use Aer Lingus. 4 hour delay in Prague Airport, due to delays caused by the bad weather, though somehow the Ryanair flight made it out on time.

    I dont know how expensive Prague Airport is for carriers, but believe it or not it is more expensive then Dublin airport for consumers. Over 6 euro for a beer. 5 euro for a coffee.

    Ill be disappointed if this goes ahead, but maybe Mick has another card up his sleeve.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25 Shanair


    surely its in shannons best interest to keep Ryanair happy? <SNIP> but allowing them in would add to revenue of the airport while they are in the airport. giving the huge inflated prices of stuff in airports, im sure they would be making that 5er anyway and more.

    if i was shannon, i would rather having those passengers spending money while in the airport rather than flying from knock and kerry instead.

    I understand the Shannon management had a deal in place but the Dublin Airport Authority stopped it because it was not economical in their opinion - must get the pax through Terminal 2 at all costs !


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,283 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    I would imagine that the Czechs would rather reduce Czech Airline's fees (if they don't give them preferential treatment already) than even think about giving Ryanair a discount.

    http://www.radio.cz/en/news/127548
    Transport Minister: Czech Airlines lost almost four billion Czech crowns in 2008

    The minister of transport, Gustav Slamečka, said in an interview with the Czech daily Hospodářské Noviny on Monday that Czech Airlines’ operating costs had lead to losses of approximately four billion Czech crowns in 2008. He said that the number of passengers who travelled with Czech Airlines in that period is estimated to be about four million, which means that with each passenger, the airline suffered a loss of roughly 1000 crowns. Mr. Slamečka supported the airline’s proposed three-year restructuring plan, which the government approved on Monday. The plan seeks to cut costs by gradually changing the company into a holding company. Other cost-cutting measures include cuts in staff and the number of planes in the Czech Airlines fleet.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,099 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    The Irish travelling public have done Prague really, in its heyday it was well Prague, cheap and cheerful and a hotspot to visit, then the stag parties moved in and they now too are dying (thank god). A lot of people have visited Prague over the years and the Ryanair passengers the last few years were Irish catcher-upper travellers, stag parties going to get laid by prozzies and Czech and Southern Polish migrants shuttling back and forth between Ireland. I'd say the passengers are just not there now due to financial differences.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭Bebop


    hey Shanair..

    It sounds like you work for Aer Lingus, <Snip> please take a read of the charter and be warned that airline bashing is not permitted in the Aviation and Aircraft forum


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Lifelike


    Stinicker wrote: »
    The Irish travelling public have done Prague really, in its heyday it was well Prague, cheap and cheerful and a hotspot to visit, then the stag parties moved in and they now too are dying (thank god). A lot of people have visited Prague over the years and the Ryanair passengers the last few years were Irish catcher-upper travellers, stag parties going to get laid by prozzies and Czech and Southern Polish migrants shuttling back and forth between Ireland. I'd say the passengers are just not there now due to financial differences.

    Although I do agree that passenger numbers have dropped because of the recession, a route between Dublin and Prague is more than justified. Plenty of people are still going away (including me, but that doesn't mean I'm rich). Prague is also an important business city.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,561 ✭✭✭andy_g


    Guys please dont post anything in regards to airline bashing as this is against the forurm charter. If you bash an airline in any sense the airline can come back with legal action against boards.ie. anyone caught airline bashing after this post will recieve either am infraction or earn three days off.
    Andy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25 Shanair


    Apologies - did not mean to offend anyone. Moderator may remove my message


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,561 ✭✭✭andy_g


    In fairness i think its mad that Ryanair are pulling out of prague as i thought it would be a profitable route


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    I would imagine that the Czechs would rather reduce Czech Airline's fees (if they don't give them preferential treatment already) than even think about giving Ryanair a discount.

    Most Czech feel about Czech Airlines the way most people think about Ryanair(And what I think about AL). They say the service is terrible, the planes are old, and the flights are expensive.

    http://www.radio.cz/en/news/127548
    Transport Minister: Czech Airlines lost almost four billion Czech crowns in 2008

    The minister of transport, Gustav Slamečka, said in an interview with the Czech daily Hospodářské Noviny on Monday that Czech Airlines’ operating costs had lead to losses of approximately four billion Czech crowns in 2008. He said that the number of passengers who travelled with Czech Airlines in that period is estimated to be about four million, which means that with each passenger, the airline suffered a loss of roughly 1000 crowns. Mr. Slamečka supported the airline’s proposed three-year restructuring plan, which the government approved on Monday. The plan seeks to cut costs by gradually changing the company into a holding company. Other cost-cutting measures include cuts in staff and the number of planes in the Czech Airlines fleet.

    It sounds like alot but its only 160 million euro which these days and for an airline is not a massive amount. Last year Aer Lingus made a loss of about 90 million, so they are not worlds apart.

    EDIT: Actually according to the below link Aer Lingus lost 154 million last year:

    http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1019351.shtml

    If that fact is correct then they are definitely not worlds apart.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭Bebop


    If you are comparing a state owned former soviet block flag carrier operating Russian aircraft with Aer Lingus and Ryanair you are confusing chalk with cheese,
    Both Irish carriers are privately owned and profitable, most airlines made losses in 2008/2009 Aer Lingus is sitting on a cash reserve from previous years profits, Ryanair and Aer Lingus are low fares airlines with the newest fleets in Europe


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Bebop wrote: »
    If you are comparing a state owned former soviet block flag carrier operating Russian aircraft with Aer Lingus and Ryanair you are confusing chalk with cheese,
    Both Irish carriers are privately owned and profitable, most airlines made losses in 2008/2009 Aer Lingus is sitting on a cash reserve from previous years profits, Ryanair and Aer Lingus are low fares airlines with the newest fleets in Europe

    I dont see the relevance in your post to it being former soviet or that they use Russian aircraft.
    Both Irish carriers are privately owned and profitable

    Is Aer Lingus actually profitable though? I'll go and look for some figures later. Also the government owns about 27% of them, so while they are not government owned, the cronyism that goes on between them, the DAA and the government means they might as well be state owned.
    Ryanair and Aer Lingus are low fares airlines with the newest fleets in Europe

    Aer Lingus is not a low fare Air line. It is trying to offer low fares to compete with Ryanair but the business model is not one of a low fare air line.


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